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J. Livingston's avatar

Only a certain age group I suspect will appreciate your musings. One had to have been there, before there was even a hint of electronic communications to be able to stand back and wonder indeed, what hath God wrought in this last century?

Who was the first on your block to get a TV. And how many hours did you and your friends sit in front of it, staring only at test patterns waiting for its magic to enter your own darkened living rooms?

With early TV's limited programing, how many more hours were still available in every day for direct human contact, or plying the printed text capturing the wisdom of the entire written human history to be something we could hold in our hands; not tap out access only with our fingertips or now even with a brain wave command. Who didn't have a tree house, a fort, or a secret password club manufactured in someone's back yard where you just hung out with friends and plotted against the world of adults?

Indeed, what hath God wrought and who will be left to even tell the story of life before the electronic communication revolution, in order to become part of GROK's data banks? The Smithsonian should be capturing every last one of our generational memories. I think they are important. They need to be part of today's search engine fodder.

BTW: Do they even still make TiddlyWinks?

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Bill Russell's avatar

A hobby of mine in the past was restoring old pre- and post-war televisions. My dad had a television he placed on the porch of our Vermont house in 1948 for the neighbors wanting to watch a famous boxing fight. We had the first color TV in our neighborhood in Reading, MA in 1957. My dad, a TV repairman, used it to learn color TV repair. I remember watching Peter Pan and comedy shows, such as Red Skelton ... all in "color." My mother told me my dad got calls from MIT professors wanting to know how televisions operated.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

"Indeed, what hath God wrought and who will be left-"

The modernist are reaping what they sow. You people wanted a world without thrones, altars, Kings, and above all - God. Why are you surpised by this outcome? You prefer masonic constitutions, liberal markets and economics, and consumerism to tradition. This is what your ilk (90% of man) wanted.

The West cast off Christendom and worshipped markets, rights, and materialism. Much of the world followed. Is this not what the revolutions of old you champion led to? Was it not the traditionalists like thr Carlists opposed to liberalism, industrialization, urbanization, and secularism?

You people are in fear, in shock, or angry - but you have no one to blane but yourselves for being asleep or worse - lying in bed with the rot.

I pity you people. You will continue to reject the solutions I lay bare before you - because you prefer failed modernist ideals over a revival of the lily. The rotten eagle [America] iland its ideals are what you prefer - no matter how sinful it is...

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J. Livingston's avatar

TA: I think we wanted a world with hot water and indoor plumbing, while not spending four hours a day hunting and gathering. Guard against the energy demands that power your own computerr, TA. The devil's handmaidens, for sure.

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Montecito93108's avatar

T.A. I can’t ever respond to you because I can’t comprehend what you’re attempting to communicate, to message to readers beyond that our forefathers had a good water filtration system or that the past was better with God dominating to calm fears of the unknown.

BTW: Historian Neal Graffy will be discussing the SB aqueduct and more at an upcoming History Museum speech.

I fully comprehend, understand, and can relate to J.Livingston’s posts. Times have changed. Creative play, bonding forever friendships, reading books, building forts to plot against adults, having 3 TVs to view the only 3 networks — so much from a bygone era. Tech has changed mating, parenting, families, and childhoods: it has overwhelmed me and others. However, there’s no reversing course, we can look back valuing memories while we must adapt to our present day reality. No deflection intended. I’m learning AI slowly.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

You can't comprehend me because my ideals are incompatible with the world you desire. My writing is understandable - but your pride and your whole worldview simply cannot allow you to appreciate what I say.

What, do you want me to use as few syllables as possible so you can understand? What's so incomprehensible chief?

You're feigning confusion because you don't care for God but freemasonic republics that have destroyed the things you value. Ironic.

"I fully comprehend, understand, and can relate to J.Livingston’s posts. Times have changed. Creative play, bonding forever friendships, reading books, building forts to plot against adults, having 3 TVs to view the only 3 networks" - um... who cares? It's just sentimentality. It doesn't save. It doesn't conserve?

"Tech has changed mating, parenting, families, and childhoods"

Mating? (What are we animals now? How bizzare.) Also gee... I wonder if all the post enlightenment changes politically, socially, religiously have affected family life, parenting, and childhood... but nah - I'm Montecito, and my ideas are perfect - but technolgoy is the real culprit!

Delusional.

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Montecito93108's avatar

You’re quite the psychoanalytic! Tech is machanized, machine driven. Your other categories (political, social, religious) are human driven. Yes, they too have changed dating/mating, parenting, families, … so what’s your point beyond bashing?

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

You cannot complain about technology when you adore the social, human changes that have done just as much damage, if not more.

"Wah! Machines bad!" "Liberalism good!"

What drove the rapid advances in technology in the late 1700's to early 1800's? Perhaps it was... the rise of capitalism, an enlightenment construct which pushed for capital above all, and so factories, complex machinery, and other things began to mass produce slop. It made the third estate rich, the bourgeoise (no I don't care to spell that word right - to hell with the Third Estate), and people moved from the country to the cities to reap the benefits of materialism.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

🥱 A typical non answer from someome who knows abandoning their ideas is to reject their whole life.

I just love how people like you always deflect "oh we just wanted plumbing!" - um... yeah that's why you're a libertarian/conservative right? Because plumbing is foundational to your worldview and there was no such thing as plumbing, irrigation, or water filtration beforr the industiral revolution right? You know they literally had an Aqueduct that used to bring water to the Mission here in Santa Barbara, and it used sandstone and charcoal to filter out contaminants...

But that aside - you can't respond to me earnestly, because that would mean you humble yourself and admit you're wrong - you always have been.

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Mrs D's avatar

Wow 😳 So... What is the answer? Chaotic rebellion saying, reading, writing, and doing things that make no sense for the sole purpose of confusing machines? It's like a sci-fi thriller except with a foreboding sense of certainty. I'm glad I'm Gen X and will be departing before the exclusion stage. I just feel bad (maybe even hopeless) for my children 😞 I'm glad I taught them to think critically and to question authority, something which our school systems fail at teaching our future leaders.

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Leslie Colasse's avatar

The last sentence!

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J. Livingston's avatar

Who knew it would be conservatives today putting "Question Authority" bumper stickers on the back of our mobility scooters?

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Mrs D's avatar

Right?????

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Thomas John's avatar

And on April 23rd this year President Trump signed an Executive Order advocating for AI education starting in kindergarten. Who knows the degree and depth of the just what this means. But 'fostering early exposure to AI concepts and technology to develop an AI-ready workforce' could be both a good thing and bad thing in my opinion. At least in Kindergarten.

We already have a workforce that looks at you funny if the bill is $17.77 and you hand them two pennies with a 20 trying to make the change easier for them.....

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/advancing-artificial-intelligence-education-for-american-youth/

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Montecito93108's avatar

Cold Spring School, a single District Basic Aid School in West Montecito, has K-6 students getting daily computer AI instruction by pros. K-2 students also read books at home 20 minutes a day, and learn 15 new vocabulary words each week as verified by parent signature. (3-6 30minutes of leisure reading a day). Schools are starting to prepare local students and parents on AI use.

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Thomas John's avatar

I don't have much faith that the schools, much less parents, are ready for it.

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DLDawson's avatar

such a bleak outlook…

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LT's avatar
May 14Edited

Baby Boomer here, I remember watching Stanley Kubrick’s masterpiece “2001: A Space Odyssey,” and wondering about the menacing “Hal.” I found out later from a neighbor who was a MIT grad, told me that “HAL” stood for Heuristically Programmed Algorithmic Computer…way over my pay grade as we would say in the military. My neighbor went on to tell me, the first mainframes were huge computers which you would walk into like a meat locker!

I remember my first cell phone in the early 80’s was a “Oki Data,” so large you would carry it like a handbag in its own suitcase.

I found out recently that the new iterations of AI are more intelligent than all of human history combined!

Yes, this is the new version of the “Space Race,” (using my analog mentality) and defeating the CCP in its quest is critical.

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Michael Callahan's avatar

I heard HAL were the three letters before IBM.

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LT's avatar

No, that rumor was dispelled by Kubrick, although he did work with NASA who used IBM computers.

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Michael Callahan's avatar

Very good. In the 60’s IBM was so dominant computers were referred to as “IBMs” so it made sense to me. Thanks to AI and you I was proven wrong. Never too late to learn.

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Jan Zarick's avatar

In the year 2525. Zager and Evans

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Lou Segal's avatar

This article reminds me of what the doomsayers said when cars first appeared. They would cause accidents, kill pedestrians and make horses obsolete. AI is one of a long list of inventions that were feared by people stuck in a pattern of fright, anxiety and anti-progress. If the world was run by such people, we still would be all working on farms. If you have kids and you would like them to emulate the great entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs or Elon Musk, don't teach them to fear change or the unknown.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

"They would cause accidents, kill pedestrians and make horses obsolete."

Yeah. They did/do. Cars suck.

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Lou Segal's avatar

That's exactly my point. Cars did cause many of the things doomsayers predicted but you would apparently prefer to live in an era where there was no running water, electricity, air conditioning, antibiotics and the average lifespan ranged from 20 to 50 yrs old. People are infinitely better off (standard of living) today than then.

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LT's avatar
May 14Edited

When I think of advances in technology, I recall my past life of being a devote audiophile. Yes, I had quite the “wall of sound” back in the day, emitting from my one bedroom bachelor’s pad, much to the displeasure of my elderly (over 30) neighbor. My “system “ consisted of a Carver amp, Klepsh Forte speakers with horn tweeters, Bang and Olsen turntable, Sound craftsman equalizer, Nakamichi Dragon cassette player and Sansui Reel to Reel, all totaling several months salary.

Needless to say, all of that cutting edge technology was replaced by a simple cell phone, with great sound using my Bluetooth and endless categories of music, including all artists who have ever been recorded!

Although, I see where McIntosh tube amps have made a comeback!

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Brian MacIsaac's avatar

God,I hope not

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Bill Russell's avatar

As usual, Robert provides articles that require some thinking about. I look at AI as a really neat kind of new research user's tool, that's all. Back in 1972, the HP35 handheld LED display scientific computer was born and replaced my Pickett slide rule ... slide rule makers were out-of-business overnight. A new tool was born to replace another. From what I can tell, AI simply sifts through the Internet for information and places its findings in a book report form. I use AI a lot for trying to discover the why's of doing certain things in engineering. AI can't read my mind, so AI and I go back and forth before AI understands my question. Although I have to admit AI helps to define my questions for its own understanding in order to provide the answer to my questions. I don't see AI as being an "originator" to anything, but only a researcher of existing knowledge. Humans have the advantage of being originators to ideas. AI is a tool for the originators that apply solutions to problems, IMO. The human brain is an amazing computer in itself; and the human brain is the original source of everything AI comments on. AI wouldn't exist if it wasn't for humans. Therefore, humans will always be needed to feed AI. That's my take.

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Cathy Duncan's avatar

I too see it that way. But…. while some humans are born with a significant dose of imagination, that has to be exercised and honed into a top-notch perpetually curious brain. Those who are spoon fed in a highly co trolled “safe” World may never find that joy. Or survival

Skill

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J. Livingston's avatar

Cathy, there is a great quote attributed to Einstein on the stairs at the Santa Barbara Zoo, going down into the Rain Forest display, right next to the penguin underwater viewing window. I read it every time I am there: "Wonder is the first step to wisdom."

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Bill Russell's avatar

Great comment Cathy, the producing problem solving "Indians" last forever and are much better off than a manager "Chief" that doesn't produce anything. Well, unless the manager is a CEO.

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Michael Callahan's avatar

I think we are very close to the Singularity right now. Two years ago, I didn’t have an iPhone. Today, I can’t live without one; I feel like I’m carrying an Einstein in my pocket, ready to answer any of my stupid questions. Will there be problems? Sure. Progress always brings new problems. Still, most of us don’t want to go back.

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Bill Russell's avatar

I have an iPhone but don't carry it around with me. Probably because I see other people at restaurants spending more time on their iPhones than eating or talking to someone at their table. I can be a messy eater, too. An iPhone is sort of a delicate instrument that shouldn't be around drinks and food.

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J. Livingston's avatar

MC: I worry about what you have lost, irreparably. Plus it will probably not even be a choice that you will go back, anyway. You will, because human nature has not changed, even though the superficial trappings have changed.

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J. Livingston's avatar

BR: On the Berkeley campus in the early 1960s', it was a running joke to see the engineering students who actually wore leather holsters around their waists to carry their slide rules. But they also required slide rules for those of us taking Organic Chemistry, though I admit I never mastered it. So I barely squeaked out of that class with a D grade.

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Bill Russell's avatar

I never understood chemistry that well, such as balancing equations. If something appears I'll never use it, then I don't care to expend the effort learning about it. But I'll learn something later if I need to. Never had to balance an equation and still don't know how. The early calculator guys had a belt carrying case. But an HP35 cost $395, over $3,000 in today's money! I couldn't afford the 1972 HP, so I started out using the cheap four-function calculators for $30 and later a $60 Commodore scientific calculator in 1974. My favorite calculator I use to this day is a 24-digit LCD display, Sharp EL-5150 (or the earlier EL-5100 launched in 1979), and I have a spare one. But I laughed like you did with engineers carrying their calculators in their holsters. Some had the larger printing HP65's which cost about $700 carried in a larger belt holster.

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J. Livingston's avatar

It took a luggage trolly to haul around my first Kaypro "portable" CPM computer.

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Robert Johnson's avatar

Yeah, maybe. But I'm willing to bet a beer that this much-fretted AI apocalypse -- aka "singularity" -- comes and goes with as little upheaval as Y2K did. The real cause for concern the future circa 2070 poses for us is the two billion more humans added to our heap that will be gobbling up our increasingly scarce resources, IMHO.

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Jeff barton's avatar

Perhaps if someone had the idea of a non profit real estate business which justified non profit status by donating solar panels to schools we could save some precious resources? No, that is just too ridiculous to believe.

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Emmett's avatar

This has been foretold since the Jetsons. Since Jesus, since Daniel.

But are we headed towards Terminator style control by computers?

Perhaps if the human race lasts that long.

Revelations foretells a world wide dominating government that will control what and when you can buy groceries, etc..,

And everyone laughed, said it’s ridiculous.

Yet every Christian nation acted similarly during Covid.

Remember the Canadian truckers whose bank accounts were frozen? They didn’t break any laws.

China & India use biometric scanning to buy goods.

Amazon has a palm reader to buy goods, no more Apple Pay or credit card.

You cannot use your HOA Card to buy gum or cold medicine at a CVS, it will only allow you to buy prescription drugs. Even when you pay at the same register. It knows the difference.

The government pushes 15 min smart cities.

They suspended social media accts they do not agree with.

AI is not just taking over, AI is programmed by Radical Left to steer people in the direction they want you to go.

AI is a tool controlled by man.

People today have no sense of privacy or what their constitutional rights mean.

They say they’d trade their rights to maintain their standard of living.

We saw this with Covid. How many got the jab so things could go back to “normal or not to lose their jobs.

The cattle are headed to slaughter and have been for decades.

The future has been written.

But most ignore the Bible despite the number of prophecies that have been verified.

Most ignore that they will die, even though it’s guaranteed.

Most choose to not think about what happens after they die.

Morbid? It’s a fact of life.

Do you believe in Heaven?

What will you do?

you cannot stop the world wide progress.

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Paul Aijian MD's avatar

Someone needs to run this by Grok

I think the timeline is way too long🙄

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J. Livingston's avatar

I just asked GROK what is the best color of eyeliner for blue eyes. I got quite a dissertation in a split second, with no automatic linkage to Amazon.com.

Progress.

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Robert Johnson's avatar

You should share what you learned about eyeliner with J.D. Vance!

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

Damn. Oh well - your ancestors should have supported the counter revolution, you reap what sow.

"Humans are the most inefficient element — messy, emotional, expensive." - Huh, wonder what godless economic system made by equally perverse liberals prioritizes "efficiency" and was born of the "enlightenment?" Mammonism, I mean capitalism.

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Samantha Scott's avatar

AI is not cool...from someone cell phone free since 2018...

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