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Jeff barton's avatar

The fictional alien race the Borg insisted that you will be assimilated. Currnent open border policy is designed to avoid assimilation. To come to America legally it is necessary to speak English, be at least 18 years of age, must have a place of residence, you need to have good moral character without significant criminal history, be willing to serve in the military, show knowledge of US history and government and swear allegiance to the United States plus much more. To come illegally you need nothing but an open hand wanting to be buttered. Legal immigrants want to become Americans while illegal immigrants want to become beneficiaries of American generosity. An assimilated immigrant population can strengthen our country while an unassimilated population is a disjointed collection of different ethnic groups each in their own communities speaking their own languages. Without an American identity the ability to act in the interest of America is as foreign as our language to these immigrants. The concept of making America great again falls on deaf ears. You can bet that when given the opportunity to vote the illegal immigrants will reward the Democrat party for all they have done destroy America.

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J. Livingston's avatar

One does not even need to be granted the right to vote to affect local politics, when voting districts are allocated only on population numbers and not legal citizen status, nor registered voter registration status.

Each voting district gains one representative voice, regardless of number of legally registered voters. One voting district may require persuading thousands of voters to get that one representative vote; while another district may take only persuading a few hundred legally registered voters and still obtain that one representative vote.

A solely population-based voting district that contains only a few legally registered citizen voters can be exploited with relative ease and small expense by special interests. This in turn creates the modern day equivalent of the "rotten borough" which have long been shunned as not representative of legitimate voting interests.

The unique features of the California Voting Rights Act - CVRA - deserves a lot more attention since these are the election rules our state now operates under.

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Jeff barton's avatar

Your comment is excellent. There are so many ways illegal immigration is bad for America. This article should generate many comments.

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Henry Schulte's avatar

I want to point something out. I had written this column in 2013. I already knew what was coming and knew it wasn't going to be good, but I had no idea how really bad it could get. After this column was published in the SB Newspress, my life was threatened by a number of people/groups. Typical tolerant left. And as was to be expected same old tired nonsense of being racist, hating Hispanics yadayadayada. I never in my wildest dreams could have predicted the horror that faces America today. And as we are now all aware, it's not just south of the border, it's worldwide taking advantage of Biden's red carpet to America. I still can't fathom why the left/democrat/socialists are okay with it. Their own well being, their own families are and will suffer from this massive illegal influx. And the solution is so simple. Biden has to undo what he did on day one as a dictator when he reversed Trumps successful policies and take some of those billions being squandered on the illegals, tossed overseas and otherwise wasted on stupid things like the Green New Disaster and build the damn wall.

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C Schmidt's avatar

We are committing national suicide with this invasion, and it infuriates me. All immigration into this country should be predicated on what the immigrant has to offer this country, not the other way around. We owe them nothing.

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Doug E's avatar

You seem nice.

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C Schmidt's avatar

I should be nice about watching my country being destroyed? I’m America first, and I make no apology for it.

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Doug E's avatar

There is no America without immigrants.

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C Schmidt's avatar

So what? That doesn’t mean we’re obliged to take in everyone who wants to come here!

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Earl Brown's avatar

Doug - you mean immigrants who apply to enter the country legally, _ right_?

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S Schroeder's avatar

America First for WHO? Definitely not for women. Or LBGTQ. Or Latinos. Just the wealthy white people, right? Yeah. Thought so.

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C Schmidt's avatar

For all CITIZENS. Fixed it for you. Don’t project your hate on me, thank you.

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Fthegop's avatar

Hey moron you guys had the best border deal you could get and voted it down.

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Henry Schulte's avatar

That's the thing. You hear CCN repeat that and yet, allowing 5,000 across a day is not a border deal. It's the status quo.

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Brad Scott's avatar

Biden and the democrats are destroying America. Horrible people. This is just for votes only. Wake up America. Stop this now

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S Schroeder's avatar

LOL. Patently UNTRUE.

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Brad Scott's avatar

True.

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Dale Lowdermilk's avatar

POSTED Feb 27

Nancy’s Substack

Your statement doesn’t make much sense but in case you forgot …the only president found liable for sexually abusing a woman is Trump.

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NancyKaren,

As usual, you're ALMOST right about the presidential sexual abuse thing.

Wasn't there a guy named Slick Willy who seemed to have a "history"?

Here's a little summary from

NEWSWEEK 2017

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Clinton's legacy will always be tainted by his affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky, who has said that while Clinton "took advantage" of her, their relationship was consensual. A sexual harassment lawsuit from Paula Jones also led to the perjury and abuse of power charges that ended in Clinton's impeachment.

But Clinton's alleged acts came long before his presidency. Juanita Broaddrick said Clinton raped her in 1978, when he was Arkansas attorney general. When she first went public with her accusations in 1999, she told the Washington Post that the incident occurred when reporters interfered with plans to meet Clinton for coffee in the lobby of her hotel, so she invited him up to her room. Broaddrick told the outlet it was just a matter of minutes before Clinton began kissing her

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NancyKaren,

I'm still waiting for your reply to several of my questions...especially regarding your Feb 10th post about "f-me heels", FOX newscasters, and "...long false hair careening down to cover each breast..."

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DIRECT QUOTE FROM

Nancy’s FAMOUS Substack

FEB 10 2024

OUR COUNTRY IS DIVIDED BETWEEN THOSE WHO WATCH MSNBC ( fact-based info with sources quoted ) AND THOSE DELUDED ONES WHO WATCH FOX ( lies and hopeful opinions and idiotic women wearing f-me high heels and revealing their thighs……what has that got to do with FACTS?

Oh, I forgot the requisite long false hair careening down to cover each breast…..oh help me…WHOM ARE THEY APPEALING TO?j

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AGAIN, Karen, please bring your cats and let's do lunch ! ! 🐡

Dale

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Nancy P.'s avatar

I’ll grant you Clinton is a sexual dirt bag just like Trump.

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Brad Scott's avatar

A whore

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S Schroeder's avatar

The Republican Way: Deflect, Obstruct, Gaslight.

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Montecito93108's avatar

Weak article. Author under-informed of existing laws. Simply enforce current laws. Close the borders and ports for a year or two. Deport non-citizens without authority to be here (VISA, court date, processing documents). A child born on US soil to someone not authorized to be here technically is NOT a USCitizen. Center for Immigration Studies has white papers on this topic. Sadly, we elect inept reps to Congress which must clarify the confusion. Tourist babies, infants born to visitors - are not explicitly citizens. These infants can be issued non-US citizen birth certificates.

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J. Livingston's avatar

I believe SCOTUS adjudication of "birth right citizenship" will soon be ripe for final judicial interpretation. It could go either way. But its current lack of definition can no longer be ignored. Very few countries around the world allow "birth right citizenship". Will the US get in step with the global norm or not?

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Paul Aijian MD's avatar

This was as true when as was written as it is today. Arguing with apologists for this insanity is as futile as barking back at a rabid dog.

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Earl Brown's avatar

Great analogy! :)

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STEPHEN HANSEN's avatar

Remember all those caravans of future Illegal Aliens slogging northward through Mexistan and wearing Tee shirts that said "Biden, let us in" or something to that effect. They didn't say that when Donald Trump was President. Thank you DEMOcRATS for electing (cheating) to get your child molesting (watch any of the many videos of him caressing young girls), brain damaged criminal, traitor into office. And lets not forget Word Salad Kamel.

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Stephen H Siemsen's avatar

Didn't Trump marry two illegal immigrants raised in Communist countries after their visas expired? Doesn't Trump hire illegal immigrants to work at his construction sites, cut his golf course grass, do his laundry? Was Reagan a DEMOcRAT when he gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants? I live in California and there are not many native citizens picking the fruit and vegetables, or working in the slaughterhouses processing meat. Trump has raped several women, some of them on a private island with his buddy Epstein, and he even admitted doing so on the "Access Hollywood" tape. Are you aware that your hateful, ignorant comments bring shame and dishonor to all of us who share your Jutlander heritage.

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J. Livingston's avatar

The Reagan border deal included a secure border- the equivalent of Trump's Wall. It never happened. If you noticed in Trump's 2016 nomination acceptance platform he stated he was going to honor the entire Reagan immigration deal - and build the Wall which was the tradeoff for the amnesty. Time you honored this pledge too.

The rest of your comments get filed under Orangeman Bad.

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Nancy P.'s avatar

Your statement doesn’t make much sense but in case you forgot …the only president found liable for sexually abusing a woman is Trump.

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J. Livingston's avatar

If the borders were closed tomorrow and all persons without legal status were required to leave, how would this impact K-12 enrollments and the numbers of teacher union and CSEA dues-paying school employees? Would over 50% of them lose their jobs, leading also to a major loss of education employee union revenues?

In turn, how would this impact the per-student funding for the remaining legal status K-12 students, considering Prop 98 guarantees a 50% percentage of the state's generals funds be dedicated to public education regardless of numbers of enrolled students? Would the per pupil spending double overnight for the remaining legal resident students?

In 1982 SCOTUS mandated 13 years of free K-12 public education for all students, regardless of legal status. Can one assume this also created a huge illegal border-crossing incentive, resulting in a major dislocation of our public education system.

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Doug E's avatar

I find it interesting that, when considering the impact of deporting all the illegal immigrants in this country, your first thought is... teacher unions? And I like how you use the Tucker Carlson "just asking questions" method of telling us how you really feel.

The negative impact on the economy of deporting illegal immigrants would be far worse than a few unemployed teachers. That's why Trump won't actually deport them - he's not that dumb. Trump's "I'll deport all the illegals on Day 1" is 2024's version of "I'll build a wall and Mexico will pay for it." Of course, that won't stop Trump supporters from believing him, and then making excuses for him when he doesn't do it.

Oh, one more thing: Orangeman Bad. I know that's what you hear when someone to the left of you speaks.

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Earl Brown's avatar

You don’t think Trump will deport them? Dream on! He’ll not only deport them, he’ll set up an _aggressive_ ‘task force’ to do so - at least I hope he does. It’ll take Trumpy about 2 weeks to have the Commie-Dems screaming Nazi, Hitler etc. The days of bleeding hearts, concerned with every alien except Americans will be over _quick_!

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J. Livingston's avatar

$250 - one way airfare LAX to Mexico City. One time payment. Sounds cost effective to me.

Cuts down on the housing pressures, the social service sector drain, the current state debt, the appalling public education performance we now must accept as normal. There is a lot to like about enforcing our current immigration laws. Plus redirecting this "immigrant energy" for change and reform back into home countries which also do deserve to thrive.

50% decrease in teachers and school staffing is a massive saving annual savings, if this state were to serve only its legal residents. Prop 98 guarantees those savings be dedicated right back to our legal resident public education students. The benefits for our local school systems dedicated to only legal residents would be staggering, compared to the bottom rung placement our state schools now continue to hold. Benefits to the state itself having a number one school system again for its legal residents are beyond measure.

Investing the current educational dollar in just in our own legal residents students would put California back on the top nationwide for student outcomes, instead of now consistently on the bottom. Bring back our formerly great California K-12 system, as tax payers intended it to be. Serving only our own local legal residents, and not the open invitation and SCOTUS mandate to the entire world that as we face today. And as it is being exploited today by special interest who do benefit from this over-run school system -i.e. teacher union/CSEA memberships dues.

Every non-legal student in our local schools dilutes the funding for our legal students. Prop 98 generous public education funding can be stretched only so far. Your professional education unions can no longer support open borders and sanctuary cities, no matter how many new teacher union and CSEA union memberships this open door immigration policy generates.

Odd you now claim 8 million recent arrivals Biden allowed across our borders in his term cannot be sent home, as you claim the "disruption" would be too great?

To whom. I think you need to get out more and listen to ever city, town and county now overwhelmed by Biden's reckless open door invitation. The tragedy of what this has done to our formerly great Calif K-12 system is heart-breaking. We live in a world of limits today. Respond accordingly. Open door immigration is no longer "sustainable".

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Doug E's avatar

It may surprise you to hear that I am not in favor of illegal immigration or open borders, and I would welcome a realistic solution to the problem. I have stated this very clearly elsewhere in this comment section. You see, just because I disagree with you about ONE thing, doesn’t mean I disagree with you about ALL things. Where we disagree, and the point of my response to your comment, is on the impact of summarily deporting 16.8 million people from this country.*

From what I can gather, you seem to think this mass deportation would be low cost ($250 each), and have huge benefits, the main benefits being a 50% reduction in teachers and more education dollars for legal students. (And I guess as an added bonus, education unions would have less power.) Setting aside your cost estimate, which is so naively low I can only assume you are joking, I question two things about your analysis.

First, I searched for data (help me if you have a good source) and I found a range of estimates for undocumented schoolchildren in CA. On the high side, one report estimated that 12% of schoolchildren in CA had at least one parent that was undocumented. It’s reasonable to assume that if the undocumented parent gets deported, the child will leave, too. So maybe you get a 12% reduction in teachers. Please help me understand the data behind your estimate of 50%.

Second, even if you're right about teachers, I think your myopic focus on the so-called benefits to education ignore the much bigger impact of removing 16 million people from this nation’s economy. Reagan understood this, Bush understood this, and I think even Trump might understand this. These people buy things. You may not like that they’re here, but you can’t put that toothpaste back in the tube without seriously messing up the economy.

In the end, you and I can agree to disagree. I’ll be interested to see what Trump does. If he does round people up into camps and deport them, we can get back together and assess the results. If the economy is booming, I will have no problem admitting I was wrong. I just want things to be better; I don’t care which team’s idea it was.

*I got this estimate from Federation for American Immigration Reform, an organization whose stated objective is to eliminate illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration.

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J. Livingston's avatar

I am curious where you get your data about numbers of non-legal student enrollments since the school districts themselves claim they do not track that data. The good thing is to start looking at this because the impact is huge. The math needs to be done. RedState a number of years ago did an analysis of the impact of illegal immigration in California and came up with a $24 billion dollar *net* drain - illegal residents paid $3 billion in taxes (sales taxes etc) but took out $27 billion in government benefits, the largest one being free K-12 education, approx $13-17 billion for the free K-12 at that time.

That sort of analysis needs to be done again today. So we can be practical about this; and get out of the partisan weeds.

How much can we expand uninvited increases to our current taxing structure and infrastructure, particularly when this is also combined with high birth rates and chain migration for birth right citizens. Just proper planning, but everyone is shooting in the dark on this right now. Why the intentional blindness?

Nothing wrong with our former "bracero" program that responded to temporary employment needs, with limited visa permission. Everyone knew what the rules were. Very common for anyone else, who has ever worked abroad as an invited guest.

No justification to continue open borders as usual, as it is practiced today. Why? The unfairness to those who do apply legally is curdling .

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Doug E's avatar

Here’s where I got the 12% number (1 out of 8 is about 12%):

https://edsource.org/2017/1-in-8-children-in-california-schools-have-an-undocumented-parent/580621

It’s no surprise that undocumented immigrants pay less in taxes than the cost of their education and other benefits. The reason is obvious – they don’t make a lot of money. Low income people don’t pay a lot of taxes, whether they’re legal citizens or not. That’s just how the tax code works.

So we could deport these people and save California $24B, right? Well, not so fast. Who’s going to take all of those low income jobs that the undocumented immigrants were doing? I’m sure Gen Z can’t wait to get out there and pick fruit, am I right?

Not to sound like a broken record, but all of these “analyses” about how much illegal immigrants are taking from us fail to acknowledge their total economic impact. Research from Cal Lutheran estimates they contribute $150B to California’s economy.

Again, I agree we need a solution to the border issue, I just disagree that deporting 16M people is a good idea.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Your EdSource quote linked to alleged data presented by Education Trust West, but no link to any actual study, raw data, methodology or even funding resources for Education West or its parent company in Wash DC - Education Trust.

The only measure Calif school districts supply is the numbers of "english learners" and no other demographic as to legal or non-legal status. Which has now morphed into tracking "bi-lingual emergent" students, since after years of failing english competency scores it appears our Calif K-12 schools are no longer able or even trying to teach english. But again this is no surrogate for legal status versus non-legal status. All you have is an unverifiable sound bite.

Sorry, the sound bite presented from an alleged study providing no data link and funded by an organization who refuses to disclose their funding sources makes any claims you are making well in the land of operational mythology only. This is no argument to support Biden's continued reckless open borders policies. Or the very sad state our California schools have fallen into.

NB: After 20 years of alleged advocacy by Education Trust West, California still ranks in the bottom 5-10% of K-12 educational outcomes for all students, yet they claims "students of color" districts in California now garner 8% more funding that any other group of students. (See total failure of former Jerry Brown's LCFF additional funding to Calif K-12 to close the equity gap.)

FROM THE EDUCATION TRUST WEST WEBSITE - :

".......The Education Trust–West is the California-based office of the nationally recognized Education Trust headquartered in Washington D.C. Ed Trust–West was founded in 2001 by Russlynn Ali, who led the organization until 2009 when she joined the Obama Administration as the Assistant Secretary for the Office of Civil Rights at the Department of Education.

Over the last 20 years, Ed Trust–West has become known for its unapologetic focus on racial equity and educational justice. The organization has grown to meet the demand for strategic research and advocacy to improve equity at all levels of education.

We have worked tirelessly to close opportunity gaps, provide critical resources for students of color, low-income communities, and English learners, and ensure every student has an opportunity to succeed in California’s schools and colleges......"

NB: One effort to close the equity gap was the recent elimination of all placement exams in community colleges and mandating direct enrollment at college level course work, with no remediation or prerequisites in English or Math required. If the student got a diploma from a California high school, they were deemed automatically to have the skills to work at a college level. Was Education Trust West behind this recent legislation?

The result so far at SBCC has been increased drop out rates when students find they cannot function at the college level after all, without access to the prior english and math remediation courses. This increased student drop out rate at SBCC in turn has led elimination of some classes due to inadequate enrollments.

The inescapable verdict is K-12 is merely handing out courtesy diplomas and not preparing students for college level work after all, as years of prior community college placement exams scores had long been revealing. Wha role did Education Trust West play in this?

What role did Education Trust West play in the equal failures of former Gov Jerry Brown's LCFF showering of significant additional funding on under-performing districts, but which did not move the needle one iota in closing the equity gap.

Do the now permanent open borders in this state play role in this intractable "equity gap" since "english learners now make up 60-80% of California K-12 enrollments? Where will we get honest answers for our legal resident students, and not just the voices of the teachers unions who continue to ask for "more resources" and more support for open borders.

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Earl Brown's avatar

J. - airfare - are you kidding? Make them swim back the way they came, and if they try entering illegally again, arrest them.

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Doug E's avatar

Let me start by stating that I am opposed to illegal immigration, lest anyone accuse me of being in favor of “open borders” (I am not). The Biden Administration has clearly failed in this area, and although Trump is showing his true colors by single-handedly killing the recent bipartisan immigration bill, it is Biden who gave him the opening to do so by waiting too long to act.

Most Americans are frustrated by what is happening at the border, but none more so than conservatives, who perceive that liberals are fighting them at every opportunity. Some of us would be more willing to join you in your fight if you would simply stop denigrating immigrants when you write about this subject. A person could easily make an articulate, intelligent argument for more border security without lying about immigrants as criminals (from the article: “there is a large segment of immigrants responsible for domestic violence, gangs, drugs, and drunk driving.”) Multiple studies have shown that immigrants, including illegal immigrants, commit crimes at lower rates than native-born Americans.

Also, “comprehensive immigration reform” is not some scam perpetuated by the left. Every president since Reagan (who famously and rightfully provided amnesty), both Republican and Democrat, have used this term. Here’s George W. Bush’s proposal for comprehensive immigration reform from 2007:

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/stateoftheunion/2007/initiatives/immigration.html

Call it what you want, but we need to improve security while also making it easier for immigrants to enter the country legally. Immigrants are a net plus to our economy, and maybe you haven’t noticed but the young people ain’t making babies anymore.

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Nancy P.'s avatar

I beg to differ with Mr Schulte’s article.

First. Immigration is an American problem

To portray the Democrats as wanting chaos at the border is completely false. Poll after poll shows that immigration is the number one issue for All Americans.

The statement you made below is incendiary and false:

“And the left is using the fact that they don’t care who comes in, what their legal status is or if they’re criminals or not as the rock to pound over conservatives’ heads to show what bad people those on the right are because they have no heart.”

I live in Santa Barbara so I know lots of Democrats and your statement is not true for any one of them. You are merely repeating Trumpian propaganda.

I realize that your article is most likely due to the fact that Trump put a stop to the most comprehensive bipartisan immigration bill ever passed by the Senate. May I reiterate BIPARTISAN.

Bottom Line: Immigration reform is wanted by all Americans. The GOP now looks like they are more interested in political power than solving our immigration problem.

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J. Livingston's avatar

GOP is interested in enforcing the immigration laws already on the books. There is little "reform" needed. Honor what is on the books right now, if there is to be a bi-partisan act of good faith. A new immigration "reform" bill that continues to allow leakage is no reform at all.

Why did Speaker Nancy Pelosi, after regaining power in 2018 and then leading the Democrats, stop building The Wall?

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Nancy P.'s avatar

Your argument suddenly is that laws aren’t needed but look what Trump said while president:

Trump, July 2019, “What the Democrats should be doing now is they should be changing the loopholes, they should be changing asylum.”

Trump April 2019, “Most importantly, Democrats must change our immigration laws right now.”

And from Speaker Johnson:

In February 2023, Johnson stated flatly that “our immigration system is broken. Reforming that system is a job for Congress.”

You’d be forgiven for thinking it was an excuse to justify capitulation to Trump, who has urged the GOP to reject anything but a hard-line bill passed by the House, which has no prospect in the Democratic-controlled Senate.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Just an observation Nancy. You are the one making everything about Trump, Trump, Trump. No one else is. Policy discussions here transcend any one person. We have plenty of state and local issues to resolve, and those land solely on us. Not anyone else 3000 miles away.

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S Schroeder's avatar

Yes, actually, it IS about Trump. He is the head of your party. He will clench the nomination... a criminal with 91 counts against him and myriad lawsuits and rape charges, yet you deflect and gaslight. That's the GOP. Today's GOP IS Trump, Trump, Trump. If you don't embrace him yet you still vote for him, you are complicit.

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Nancy P.'s avatar

Sad to say there is no longer a Republican/GOP party, there is only the Trump party controlled by one man.

As long as you generalize about ‘the left’ I’ll continue to reference the right as Trump and Trumpers.

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J. Livingston's avatar

You err., Nancy The Right does not equal just Trump. This is your own personal obsession. Conservative principles reach much wider than even the Republican Party. Independents like them too. Though one could argue the Left equals Obama I, II, III. Let alone a current run for Obama IV.

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Nancy P.'s avatar

Trump controls what once was the Republican party. That cannot be disputed.

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Earl Brown's avatar

I sure hope so - thank you Nance.

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Lou Segal's avatar

I probably don't agree with Nancy about very much, but she is right about this issue. Our immigration laws are severely broken and the bipartisan bill just introduced in the Senate was a step in the right direction. Trump was impeded by the current laws while he was president. Many illegal immigrants crossed the border because of "catch and release" (many millions) while he was president. In the end he got Mexico to detain the immigrants before they got to the border but that was never going to be a permanent solution, depending on another country to enforce our immigration laws. Both sides want to complain about the issue but neither is really willing to realistically fix the problem, considering we live in a Democracy where compromise is essential to get anything done.

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J. Livingston's avatar

What is broken is not enforcing the laws on the books right now. If we can't enforce the ones we have, why write new ones? What is your interest not enforcing the laws on the books right now?

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Nancy P.'s avatar

The Washington Post provides two good reasons why we need the Senate immigration bill. The first one would allow us to enforce the current laws that you support.

This supplemental package would fund more than 4,300 new asylum officers and support staff, 100 additional immigration judge teams, 1,500 border patrol agents and customs officers, and 1,200 Immigration and Customs Enforcement staff to help with deportations. It would also provide detention capacity for 50,000 extra border crossers per year and more deportation flights. It would crack down on dubious asylum claims by raising the evidentiary standard for initiating an application. The bill would also empower asylum officers to rule on the merits of some applications earlier in the process.

The element of the agreement perhaps most misunderstood among Republicans is a Border Emergency Authority that would allow the president to turn away most asylum seekers if more than 5,000 people arrive daily, measured over the course of several days, which has been the case every week but one in the past four months. This goes further than the Title 42 authorities Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden invoked during the pandemic, restricting migrants who are turned away from reapplying for a year. Practically, this authority would end the migrant caravans.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Nancy, quoting WaPo will gain little traction here, on any topic. I recommend reading Victor Davis Hansen for a wider view on many of the topics being discussed here. Check in also with the Hoover Institution and the Brownstone Institute for added dimensions to your current reading list.

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Nancy P.'s avatar

What exactly did WaPo get wrong?

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Earl Brown's avatar

_Five Thousand Illegal Aliens a Day_! !? How Zero a Day unless they apply legally!

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Earl Brown's avatar

Right on J. !

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Stephen H Siemsen's avatar

Didn't Nancy stop building The Wall because Mexico was NOT paying for it and Trump was ciphoning the funds to do it from military housing projects that was intended to provide homes to our active duty military families?

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J. Livingston's avatar

Mexico was"paying for it" by cutting off the numbers or US dollar remittences sent back to to prop up Mexico's budget. Mexico was "paying for it" since Mexico was now forced to fund education and social services for its own population. Don't take this claim too literally. Mexico was "paying for the Wall". Now please tell us why you are against the Wall - and a secure US border.

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Stephen H Siemsen's avatar

Have you even been to Mexico? Mexico has been funding education, social services, and health care for years, despite being a poor country. It is so bad down there that thousands of American "ex-pats" have retired to Mexico, or cross the border to get their teeth fixed. Most of the illegal immigrants are coming here for jobs, not handouts. It is American businesses who are hiring them illegally that entices more to come. Any "Wall" we build will never be as "effective" as the one I patrolled between East and West Germany during the Cold War. You may recall that it had mine fields, heat-seeking cameras, machine-gun towers, and "shoot first, ask questions later" border guards. By the way, that "Wall" did not stop illegal immigration OUT of East Germany. A "Wall" that keeps "them" out also keeps "us" trapped inside.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Update on the Darian Gap: ..... "By June 2023, the first regional processing centers — rebranded as Safe Mobility Offices (SMOs) — launched their initial phase in three countries: Guatemala, Costa Rica, and Colombia. Ecuador later joined in with its own iteration that October.

Early on, the State Department indicated that eventually, it intended to open around 100 brick-and-mortar facilities in the region, with support from personnel at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the International Organization for Migration (IOM), and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR)........"

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J. Livingston's avatar

One is in error to assume the immigration today is coming only from Mexico. Tucker Carlson's recent program on the Darian Gap transit puts the last three years of Biden's open door policies into a very different perspective.

Walls work. They are part of the solution, along with no longer inviting people to come, and telling them like you are doing there is nothing to stop you. Open borders is a non-starter. Enforce the laws we have right now, finish the Wall and then we can sort out "immigration reform" measures after this all settles our with clarity rather than threats or wishful thinking. Walls work. Using specious examples does not make your case.

And yes, I have extensively traveled in Mexico from Chiapas to Yucatan and mosts spots in-between. Yes, Mexico has the potential resources and appeal to take care of their own, all their own. Except for the fact US dollar remittences are one of their leading revenues sources. Every other country in Central America also has strong appeal to be self-sustaining. However, because the Biden welcome map was thrown so wide open today, the illegal border traffic is coming from well, well beyond our southern neighbors.

What really supports your open borders agenda? How will you convince today's electoratee who have made the current open border policies their leading voting concern for 2024?

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Nancy P.'s avatar

Tucker Carlson is not a credible source. He’s a known liar.

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Brad Scott's avatar

You are a horrible person

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Brad Scott's avatar

You’re full of shit.

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Earl Brown's avatar

I’d vote for Jack the Ripper before I’d vote for a Commie-Dem. Crook Biden, (and Traitor Obama before him), has ruined American and diluted everything about this great country with their crazy idea of everybody in the world being equal. False - there are lots of garbage people who would kill you for your shoes if they thought they could get away with it. Rehabilitation? Reform? A complete waste of time - it’s in their DNA. You just wait until the alien gangs get organized - they’ll show you how savages _really_ conduct business.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Update: US State Dept now has large "welcome centers" since 2023 scattered across the major illegal immigration transit routes well outside the US, to process those who intended to illegally enter our country, and bypass our legal immigration laws. They can now go to these scattered "welcome centers" and get processed in months, not years like prior immigration process required.

After they get speedy processing, they are then flown directly to locations in the US by passing the actual border.. They deem them "mobility processing" centers. Biden brags this program cuts down on the direct illega lUS border crossing impacts since they get carved out well ahead of the actual border. But it does not cut down on the numbers of foreign nationals Biden is asking our country to somehow absorb.

These Biden processing centers are in addition to our normal US consular services, which has long been the traditional legal immigration access point .

So additional "resources" have already been applied to Biden's open border policies. (More US government employees). Easing the path into the US has now already been accomplished. Why are we still being scolded to do more?

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Dale Lowdermilk's avatar

NancyKaren

You're absolutely (?) correct.

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"Sad to say there is no longer a Republican/GOP party, there is only the Trump party controlled by one man.

As long as you generalize about ‘the left’ I’ll continue to reference the right as Trump and Trumpers."

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It's not YOU...it's those (74 million) "Trumpers".

https://www.heysigmund.com/when-its-not-you-its-them-the-toxic-people-that-ruin-friendships-families-relationships/

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Brad Scott's avatar

Fucking liberal idiot

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