Polly, the demos even elected a dead candidate to the U.S. senate in 2000, Mel Carnahan, and then the demo governor appointed his wife to serve the term for which he was elected.
Having a live wife means they were being inclusive, Brent. You vill be sent to the DEI rebrain center! Maybe the Dems keep trying to assassinate Trump because they need him to be a dead candidate in order to really win Dem style against him with their merely brain-dead candidate.
Good shot Polly. While the Constitutional requirements to be a senator do not include being alive, I would like to have seen a challenge to the election on the basis that only "Weekend at Bernies" did not have the implicit requirement of being alive. Ever think about running as Abe Lincoln?
It used to be a point of pride that you were able to vote because YOU WERE A CITIZEN OF THE NATION.
Now you have people who are laughing at the nation and the requirement for citizenship to vote. What do you think would happen if a non-citizen tried to vote in Mexico? Is there a finger print requirement? Yep. Is voting restricted to citizens? Yep.
So why do the anti US majority roaming the nation allowed to vote and change the outcomes of elections. It is time to stop this.
Are you the leader of Cars are Basic? Regardless, by posting your views on controversial issues you are doing a disservice to the organization. You should stick to the point of advocating for car transportation (which I support, to a degree) - or change your handle to something else.
CAB is CAB. Don’t think this is an employer/employee relationship. Could be wrong.
TJ, Do you agree he should face retaliation in other forums due to what he posts here? That was the underlying issue. How far should we take this issue just raised here?
CAB can say what he pleases but there are consequences for veering outside the mission of the organization. Why can't he stick to one issue rather than throwing in random right wing talking points while in the process losing any moderate support he might have? Next time he delivers comments to City Council, why not state his entire world view? Free speech and tanked credibility.
Right-wing???? ……. Thanks for reminder what “labels” look like from the other side. But this is more of a sanctuary for conservative thinkers to express themselves with more candor, while relatively free from the local automatic scold crowd. I assume you knew that, VV.
VV, I recommend you judge others on their policies and substance statements; not your own personality litmus tests.
So I rely on very biased (mainstream) media sources yet you need a sanctuary site in order to be able to express yourself with candor. Between the two of us, who would be the furthest off-center?
VV, Some of us do like being here, sharing common insights and learning from these exchanges. May it provide a useful exercise for you too. There are few other forums in this town of similar quality.
I think Victoria is just pointing out that using the CarsAreBasic handle to comment on non-car issues could muddy the profile of his organization. Like if I owned TraderJoes and made nasty comments about Trump. There might be some business blowback. But who knows - it might help his cause here? Same reason no employers what their employees using work emails for anything other than work.
TJ, I understood the admonition was that CAB would face retaliation in other settings, due to his postings here. That was a bit chilling of an interpretation. Let’s hope that was only my misinterpretation.
Hmmmmm………a tag team? I guess this threat might put us all under “deep state” surveillance….. so noted. Hilary Clinton just today threatened legal consequences should be imposed for those spreading “misinformation”. Democracy is indeed being threatened should Democrats ever take back elected power. A chill wind just swept through even this forum. Thanks for the day brighteners, TJ And VV. Will stay away from any of your future traps again. Thanks for playing.
I think you think I think more than I do. I have zero 'deep state' intentions. More of a think of what you say before you post with your company name attached etiquette lesson. I learned that the hard way back in the 90s when email was warming up.
Re "a tag team?" LOL You are not able to see yourself (yourselves) with a broader lens. This is a blatant instance of the pot calling the kettle black. I'm not commenting on the rest of your reply because it is simply nuts.
……public statements…… made on behalf of the organization………
Thin sauce to be deemed ……irrefutable violations ………for using only a similar screen name. But thank you for your detailed and chilling threats, VV. Any others you wish to share with us? Or vice versa. Is calling someone wacky, defamation or just free speech and only a personal opinion.
Such bullshit...when I lived in Mexico (albeit, illegally) there was no way in hell I could vote in any of their elections; they required a special ID and citizenship. Also, if you want to immigrate to Mexico, you are required to be able to show over $4,200/mo in GUARANTEED income (like retirement, not a job). Why is it that Mexico has better requirements for immigrants than we do? Why do we open the fence at unapproved entry points, and let just anyone waltz right in? Why don't they have to have a means of support? Why do we want them voting in our elections (I know the answer, but the question is rhetorical of course) Why do we want thousands of them on our streets with no way to work (language barriers, lack of skills) doing shit they shouldn't be doing, like selling stuff without a licence or stealing (you should see what's going on in NYC) The demoncrats have succeeded (in just a few shorts years) putting us on the short path to shitholeness.
I once never understood the strict requirements of Mexico immigrants versus the lax immigration requirements in the U.S. Why is it that Mexico appears to be so much smarter than the U.S.? Mexico only wants those coming in with money and the U.S. only wants those coming in that need money. Yep, we in the U.S. are really dumb!
yep, and don't forget this: most 'mexican' (and other central americans) that come to the U.S. make way more money than they would make there, and send a LOT of it home. Whereas Americans moving to Mexico or Central American, bring money from the U.S. and spend it locally. Mexico is WAY smarter than us...except there's the whole Deep State thing and not wanting to lose power for fear of the electric chair or worse..
The principal reason to have a federal government is to provide for the common defense, to secure our liberty and our rights including property rights by defending our border. Today the proposition that those who cross our borders illegally should be granted the right to vote is controversial. How did we come to believe that de facto invaders should be granted any rights at all? It is the best example of a threat to our democracy I can think of.
Consider me dense, but my take-away is that it is a requirement that one be a citizen of the United States of America to vote in all elections. The question is do they have to prove it. Seems the states make up their own rules and the US Government doesn't have any. To me, the right (and privilege) to vote comes with citizenship. You are either born into it or it's earned. Whether the numbers are small or vast, it doesn't matter, one must be a citizen to vote in the Country. If I am wrong, then we are even more in peril than I imagined. Blessings
Anne, that would take a constitutional amendment. Federal government can exercise only express powers: all else is reserved to the states. Federal election laws usurp express state sovereignty over their elections.
Guard carefully against creeping federalism. This issue is ripe for full judicial review. And cannot be merely legislated away, in its current dual capacity—— intentionally confusing and complicating the entire election process in this country of late.
We must move back to one citizen, one vote and one Election Day, with an immediate and sustained count subject to full independent and transparent review. Democrats pushing recent
“Election reforms” have turned this one sacred duty of full citizenship into a murky, anti-American cesspit.
This is depressing, as most matters political in Ca are, and my reaction is Vote, and hope the good judgement of the states that are not Ca, will carry the day.
The silent majority has yet to check in. Many continue to feel the very heavy hand of “woke mob” censorship. Bless the Founders for enshrining the secret ballot. Yet again, they were so wise about the dark side of human nature. 250 years ago.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that registering at the CA DMV for a drivers' license or registering a car led to being handed a form to register to vote, on what amounts to an opt-out basis. People who have entered the country illegally are eligible for EBT, housing assistance, a free phone and college and social security and a plane lift to their preferred destination. While our military industrial complex exports the weaponry that causes the collapse of their country of origin and sends them on the search for the streets paved with gold !!!!
Yesterday, we were reminded of the length Democrats will go in order to impact the outcome of the upcoming presidential election. Yes, a convicted criminal traveling several time zones from Hawaii, did in fact attempt to deprive us from voting for President Trump. It should be obvious to all, that the left, namely Democrats, will lie, cheat, steal and yes, kill in order for the rest of us to fall in line.
Yesterday, was also notable for Mexican Independence Day celebrations. The City of Oxnard was full of people waving Mexican flags celebrating their Country’s independence…to which there is nothing wrong with! It is not a stretch that some people will try to vote in our elections in order to affect the outcome which favors candidates supporting mass amnesty.
Why is showing ID such a hardship? Anytime you board an airplane, buy a firearm or enter a military installation, ID is required! I recently visited the museum at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas and not only was my ID required but also my SS number as well.
This entire issue is yet another wedge controversy manufactured by the Democrats in order to somehow play the race card, citing impoverished peoples of color that will somehow be deprived of their constitutional rights by being asked for their ID. Again, to travel ANYWHERE in the post 9/11 world, ID is required.
Suffice to say, I bet ID requirements for entering a POT SHOP is no problema for liberals!
I thought the Miami shooter voted for Trump, at least in 2016, and then became disgruntled with Trump for his lack of support for Ukraine in its defense against Trump's buddy Putin?
How long have you lived in California, LT? Mexican Independence Day has been celebrated here since 1821, whereas the first 4th of July celebration was in 1848. Once California gets a holiday they hang on to it! And don't forget Cinco de Mayo, first celebrated in Los Angeles in May 1863, the first anniversary of Mexico's victory over the French at Puebla on May 5, 1862. Cinco de Mayo is still not widely celebrated in Mexico because it is a California created holiday.
As for a national I.D., I believe it has been proposed, but was strongly opposed by Republicans because such national I.D.'s, or "internal passports" were required in Communist countries, which meant "we not doing that here!" A SS card is not for identification, it even says so on the card, and a DL (even with "real I.D.") is not proof of citizenship, it is just permission to operate a motor vehicle.
I’ve been here since 60’, you how long? Yes, I’m very aware of Mexican holidays and respect THEIR right to celebrate THEIR holiday. You seem to have an issue with reality and/or cognition? Not really sure, but to try to float the idea that there is not a 3 alarm fire from unchecked illegal immigration is simply idiotic. Seriously, what part of gangs from Venezuela going on murder sprees do you not comprehend? Likewise, what part of Haitians taking over a small town in Ohio is acceptable to you?
Next, I suppose the recent attacks on Trump is his fault because Democrats say so?
Seriously, try to get your news from other sources besides Noozehawk or Edhat!
Born in Venice in the 1950's, moved to Lompoc in 1958 (where I learned my first Spanish!).
It's "THEIR" holiday? Don't tell me you don't participate in St. Patrick's Day, Mardi Gras, Juneteenth, or Indigenous Peoples' Day!
Why is it so hard for you to believe the Mayor of Springfield when he says that the Haitians are here LEGALLY and were INVITED by a Republican mayor and city council to fill vacancies at local factories? Instead, you accept the false accusations of Trump and Vance, even when Vance admits in an interview that he "made it all up" to draw attention to the immigration issue? Now Springfield has bomb threats from MAGA nut jobs and there are neo-Nazi Proud Boys marching in the streets -- not a Venezuelan gang in sight!
Both of the wannabe assassins were disgruntled Trumpers, not Democrats. All this hatred you espouse for immigrant "brown people," and for those who disagree with you, could negatively impact your physical health. Never heard of Noozehawk or Edhat, I will have to check them out. How about you, have you ever listened to the BBC, Deutsche Welle, or NewNation? Namaste, bro'!
The Haitians, for the most part, are here legally. Let's re-write the laws if we don't want this kind of immigration. Haitians, again for the most part, are not an "open boarder" problem.
Mexican Independence is but a continuation of the secular and republican revolution that the French and Americans in their revolts against God, King, and traditional values.
Long live the Spanish Empire! Down with nationalism!
Has there ever been an audit conducted in any state to show that a significant number of non-citizens voted in our elections? Not doubting it happened but it would be illuminating if we had evidence of it, and I am not talking about anecdotal or secondhand accounts.
Great question. Jeff Barton will roll over in his grave when he gets there - but I did an internet search. This is just a few of the audits I found. It would take more time to figure out the sources and what not.
In Georgia, a 2022 audit of voter rolls found that 1,634 non-citizens attempted to register to vote over a 25-year period, but none were successful.
In Ohio, a review found 597 potential non-citizen registrations out of about 8 million voters, with only 138 appearing to have actually voted
North Carolina's 2016 audit identified 41 legal immigrants who had cast ballots before becoming citizens, out of 4.8 million votes cast (0.0008%)
So yes, it's happening. But does it make a difference? Perhaps with the slim margins of elections now it does.
Never overlook the use of illegals when creating population-based rotten boroughs. Just as good as allowing illegal to vote when the goal is winning the district seat, but with a lot less expense and vote numbers.
Audit also in order to determine how many low citizenship, low voter registration districts are in Democrat hand Orono GOP hands. The balance of party majorities can be materially impacted by population based rotten boroughs.
Need facts more audited on this troubling possibility too. We see this huge voter turn out disparity in our own SB district elections. Full vote on city council earned by only a few hundred votes in low voter registration districts, versus a full vote on city council requiring several thousand votes to win. Is this democracy, or gaming the system?
The Democrat Trojan Horse called election reform that reared its head a few decades ago is providing some very ugly intended consequences. As planned.
TJ, Give Trump a solid majority in the House and Senate and we can finally make progress. The people will have finally spoken in support the GOP platform on this issue.
Fruits of Google scholarship. I ask you why the Democrat party supports open borders? It has not reduced the price of carrots. No, it is because they will forever have allegiance to the Democrat party and vote accordingly. Why do you suspect that the Democrat party opposes proof of citizenship to vote?
Rotten-borough population based voting districts and full employment for the teachers unions, immediately pop into my own head. Enlarging Big Government dependencies,and distributing our tax dollars as Democrat voter bribes is also on the table.
Constitutional repeal and or amendments. Prop 13 type popular movements. Why keep sending mandatory crack to Beltway addicts since we are sadly learning even elections do not dislodge the Deep State. Defunding is our only option.
Jeff, I'm not extrapolating the data above anywhere. I'll leave that to you. And if it's worth anything to anyone I'm all for solid/better/any proof of citizenship to vote. You sure it's not the central valley farmers who hire 75% undocumented labor for harvesting/labor? Or about 1/2 the working in factory meat processing factories. They (I'm guess mostly GOP folks?) are getting something out of undocumented folks as well. This will never get fixed until both sides come to the table and do something about it.
I do not want "open boarders" at all. You are stuffing in words to suit your reply. I want the Dems and GOP to get to work and make something that is planned and works for legal immigration. I would hope that includes hefty fines and penateis for people/companies that employ these "illegal" people. Both sides keep kicking the can down the street about what to do with the people and kids here already. That is going to be a mess. Quit focusing on your battle cry of "open boarders" the problem is so much greater than that. Students overstaying VISAs, etc.
We already have legal immigration with long waiting lines for our legal options. Targeting “amnesty” is critical and discrete. Clear temporary guest worker needs allowing special and limited permitting.
Over-staying student visas is another major hole, but include that on our lack of enforcement procedure for those intentionally violating our current temporary visa law.
Then we can move on to chain migration and the current birthright citizenship informal untested policy. But tackling the big ones first. Intentional illegal acts crossing our borders need swift consequences, not excuses.
Build the Wall. I do want that to be the message we send….come here legally; not illegally. Come on our terms, not yours.
Lou, one illegal vote either cancels out my entire legal vote, or illegally amplifies my one legal vote. Neither option is acceptable.
I personally would take out the qualifier “significant numbers” or the hoary, old “no evidence of widespread fraud” used now to excuse our very leaky election system.
I propose voting is too sacred and too fundamental to play close enough for government work games. Zero tolerance is then the only election integrity’s standard to apply. Then work very, very carefully back from that, when carving out exceptions.
A minute number of non-citizens (a number much too small to influence the outcome) have inadvertently appeared on the voter rolls but far fewer have actually cast ballots in national elections. Why would noncitizens go out of their way to cast a ballot anyway, risking deportation? Checks and balances are already in place - DMV and SS data are checked, along with signatures. Forcing the population to re-register would be a much greater impediment to a fair election.
Victoria, I appreciate your interest and would offer two thoughts:
1. Until the voter rolls are scrubbed, any measurement of the number of non-citizens voting is only a guess, where guesses are influenced by the agenda of the guesser.
2. Since the last federal election, more than ten million non-citizens have entered the U.S. with the incentive to not vote for the candidate that threatens ti depot them: Trump.
Victoria, I am not sure of your position on showing proof of citizenship. Do you think that it is
a hardship for people to either show a birth certificate or their naturalization papers? It would seem like such a simple thing to do and I am not sure what, if you are against it, is the big deal..
You have no idea how many illegal aliens have voted. What does it mean that they have inadvertently appeared on voter rolls? Perhaps they accidently registered to vote while applying for Calfresh? Swing states are regularly decided by margins in the range of 10,000 votes. It only takes one in one thousand illegals to vote to get 10,000 votes assuming ten million illegals. I believe it is closer to 20 million. Why would they take the risk? Perhaps because one candidate is running on mass deportation? Voting is a right granted to citizens who have a vested interest in the outcome.
Anne, please provide your evidence of this to federal authorities so they can arrest and prosecute this person -- unless of course it's the employer of the illegals who is filling out all those ballots for Trump!
What makes you think that federal authorities have any interest in preventing anything that advantages the Democrat party. The same federal authorities that pressured facebook and twitter to censor posts about the Hunter laptop or covid information that might cause vaccine hesitancy?
... other than reported, fact-based, data - contrary to wild allegations and conjecture that I see flying around on this page.
Do your own research. If you are able, avoid sources like the National Enquirer and publications found at the bottom 3/4 of the media bias (and fact source identifier) chart
VV. You rely on very biased media resources. Please do not present these as fact. You just made an outrageous claim, as fact; not opinion. As they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
This is a very savvy group here, we have long been down all the blind alleys Democrat forces continue to inflict on the public. Always good to learn where people are coming from.
And learn you have already decided I am ……”wacky”. Carry on. There is a mute feature on this website, if needed.
The data that shows that the number of noncitizens casting ballots is so minute that it wouldn't influence the outcome of the election, is easy to find. I don't live online and am not going to write a dissertation here.
So sad that there are people out there who actually believe this crap. Under your guidelines, my dear old mother would not be able to vote. Born without a birth certificate and now no longer able to drive because of her age, she does not possess "proof" that she is a U.S. citizen. On her voter application she declared she was a U.S. citizen and now receives a mail-in ballot. Why would you deny her the right to vote? Why should an old woman have to stand in line to vote? You do realize that a counterfeit driver's license or U.S. birth certificate is almost as easy to obtain as an AR-15 assault rifle? The "illegals" who have those did not acquire them so they could "Vote." If this were actually happening, someone would have been arrested by now. Most documentable "voter fraud" with an arrest have been Republicans who voted more than once. Of course, such facts are ignored by those who support the racist Trump-Vance ticket; you know, the candidates who call LEGAL Haitian immigrants "illegals eating your pet dogs and cats" - despite so much evidence and denials by Springfield City officials to the contrary. So sad...what has become of my "Grand Old Party"?
Stephen, this is shameless of you, using your old mother like this. It reminds me of Nixon saying they could take his dog checkers away. A question, why didn't you help your mother all these years to get citizenship?
My mother IS a citizen, born in Minnesota the child of two native born U.S. citizens. I used my mother as an example because I know her situation. I could have also used my deceased father, born in Wyoming without a birth certificate. That fact did not stop the government from drafting him in WWII. He voted for years with the simple declaration that he was a U.S. citizen, his word was is proof. But, while I was stationed in Germany, where he fought in WWII, he was denied a U.S. passport because he had no "proof" he was a U.S. citizen. He later obtained a passport after a cousin found the original copy of his grandparent's naturalization certificate from the 1880's! Imagine having to go through all that crap just to vote.
"Imagine having to go through all that crap just to vote." Stephen, I agree ... voting is a lot of work and why not give our voting to the Canadians and/or the Mexicans to decide who we elect for President, etc. That way we can all sit at home and be surprised to see who they vote for us. But we can get back later because we should also have the opportunity in turn to vote for the Canadians and Mexicans. That seems like a lot of fun to me. Skip "all that crap just to vote" and make it fun!
Stephen says Republicans vote more than once. We need more ballot checkers like Stephen watching the Democrats vote <g>. OK Stephen, you win, and I'm busted. I'll have to come up with another method of stuffing ballot boxes instead of using my carrier pigeons.
That is quite ironic Polly, you explicity used the example of your late mother along (buying explicit magazines for her son) with several other personal anecdotes in trying to justify the existence and consumption of pornography - you should not be blind to your own actions.
Stephen, you have the strangest rationalizations I've heard of in a long, long time. Give me a rationalization for the following: Bernie Sanders admitted Harris is doing/saying anything to be President. One thing I say about Bernie is he states the truth ... doesn't lie about his politics. But Harris doesn't show her real self. She only says what the people she's addressing want to hear ... even changing her speech accent to blend in with the locals. Like you have an excuse for immigrants voting, then how do you excuse Harris as being a person she is not for the sake of gaining votes? Please explain with your infinite wisdom.
What a load of crap you have just blurted out. My poor old husband has his naturalization papers and hopefully you could help your poor old mother find something to show she was born here. Get off your anti Trump rage for a bit. This should be a non partisan issue which affects all voters regardless of your party affiliation.
Stephen, please try not to sound so obtuse. Your mother surely is not the only one in the whole United States born without a birth certificate. All you need to do is punch in on the internet how to prove citizenship without a birth certificate and there are several options for you to take. I am assuming that your mother has voted most of her adult life. If so, there shouldn't be too much trouble for you to help her get the proper papers. Good luck with it.
HELLO!! You don't get "naturalization papers" if you are BORN in the U.S., with or without a birth certificate. My mother votes because for years she has declared she is a U.S. citizen, her oath was her "proof."
Oh my God, here we go again with false conspiracy theories. See below:
The Brennan Center for Justice surveyed 44 election officials in some of the most populous and immigrant-heavy jurisdictions in the country after 2016, including Arizona, California and Texas. It found only about 30 incidents of a possible non-citizen voting out of 23.5 million votes cast in those places.
Such claims are a baseless as Trump winning the 2020 election.
They are not baseless, nor should election officials be investigating themselves. Start with ZERO tolerance, and work backwards from there.
Anyone who ever volunteered as a poll worker has direct experience with the very weak procedures at the polls, let alone this abomination of universal mail in ballots now requiring an election season, not a single Election Day. We must go back to one Election Day at the polls, with adequate training and supervision by an independent election office; not the current conflict of interests operations in place today.
Eliminate even the appearance of conflicts of interests in the execution of our elections, because we do not even come close to that today with the recorded partisan contribution records showing the domination of one political party among the government employees who also managing our elections.
As you stated, "A vote for a Democrat is a vote for allowing the government the right to deny requiring proof of citizenship in order to vote." Of course, we all know the reason for Biden/Harris allowing all the illegal immigrants into the country is for them to vote ... at the expense of U.S. citizens being murdered, raped, destroying personal and public property, taking away jobs for true Americans, on and on and on. What shocks me is the Dems can't simply say the reason the illegals were allowed into the country for the purpose of their votes is because they are simply evil!
There are many reasons for the current one party partisan support for open borders besides growing the Democrat vote. Let’s keep digging until we understand them all.
Brent- CA law allows 11th grade students in public schools to be registered to receive mailed ballots. By observation, students are not asked to provide any identifying information. “The law in California does not require proof of citizenship for any election, but instead only requires drivers’ licenses and a California ID number (obtained from DMV with proof of residency) or the last four digits of your Social Security number.” I do not think this statement applies to captured students in class. Please read your confirmation legislative intent.
My understanding is supermajority passed law to register class trapped students because CA Ed Code prohibits asking citizenship or legal status of any student. We’re talking thousands of non-citizen, alien voters in CA.
The Dems don't stop at not requiring proof of citizenship. They also don't require proof of being alive.
Polly, the demos even elected a dead candidate to the U.S. senate in 2000, Mel Carnahan, and then the demo governor appointed his wife to serve the term for which he was elected.
Having a live wife means they were being inclusive, Brent. You vill be sent to the DEI rebrain center! Maybe the Dems keep trying to assassinate Trump because they need him to be a dead candidate in order to really win Dem style against him with their merely brain-dead candidate.
Good shot Polly. While the Constitutional requirements to be a senator do not include being alive, I would like to have seen a challenge to the election on the basis that only "Weekend at Bernies" did not have the implicit requirement of being alive. Ever think about running as Abe Lincoln?
Calling all dead Dems, wakeup because voting season is about to arrive. Put on your Zombi outfits and wait to vote.
Democrat ballot harvesters are ready and able to serve your every nursing home memory care and skidrow election needs
The Dems should be called the Mafia Democratic Party or MDP, has a nice descriptive sounding term considering how they criminally operate.
As Mantan Moreland said in King of the Zombies “I've been zombified!”
It used to be a point of pride that you were able to vote because YOU WERE A CITIZEN OF THE NATION.
Now you have people who are laughing at the nation and the requirement for citizenship to vote. What do you think would happen if a non-citizen tried to vote in Mexico? Is there a finger print requirement? Yep. Is voting restricted to citizens? Yep.
So why do the anti US majority roaming the nation allowed to vote and change the outcomes of elections. It is time to stop this.
I'm with you, CAB.
Are you the leader of Cars are Basic? Regardless, by posting your views on controversial issues you are doing a disservice to the organization. You should stick to the point of advocating for car transportation (which I support, to a degree) - or change your handle to something else.
You managed to find a parking space for your sense of humor, Victoria! Hope nobody has stolen it by the time you need it again.
CAB has long been a responsible civic activist. No place to scold his personal posting choices, V V.
I think you're a bit dated in how public perception works. Same as if I worked for Sonos and said Trump sucked.
CAB is CAB. Don’t think this is an employer/employee relationship. Could be wrong.
TJ, Do you agree he should face retaliation in other forums due to what he posts here? That was the underlying issue. How far should we take this issue just raised here?
CAB can say what he pleases but there are consequences for veering outside the mission of the organization. Why can't he stick to one issue rather than throwing in random right wing talking points while in the process losing any moderate support he might have? Next time he delivers comments to City Council, why not state his entire world view? Free speech and tanked credibility.
Right-wing???? ……. Thanks for reminder what “labels” look like from the other side. But this is more of a sanctuary for conservative thinkers to express themselves with more candor, while relatively free from the local automatic scold crowd. I assume you knew that, VV.
VV, I recommend you judge others on their policies and substance statements; not your own personality litmus tests.
So I rely on very biased (mainstream) media sources yet you need a sanctuary site in order to be able to express yourself with candor. Between the two of us, who would be the furthest off-center?
VV, Some of us do like being here, sharing common insights and learning from these exchanges. May it provide a useful exercise for you too. There are few other forums in this town of similar quality.
So, no posting views on controversial issues?
I think Victoria is just pointing out that using the CarsAreBasic handle to comment on non-car issues could muddy the profile of his organization. Like if I owned TraderJoes and made nasty comments about Trump. There might be some business blowback. But who knows - it might help his cause here? Same reason no employers what their employees using work emails for anything other than work.
TJ, I understood the admonition was that CAB would face retaliation in other settings, due to his postings here. That was a bit chilling of an interpretation. Let’s hope that was only my misinterpretation.
Also interesting - maybe not on these posts but others - he maybe putting his non-profit at risk
https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/restriction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by-section-501c3-tax-exempt-organizations#:~:text=Under%20the%20Internal%20Revenue%20Code,candidate%20for%20elective%20public%20office.
Hmmmmm………a tag team? I guess this threat might put us all under “deep state” surveillance….. so noted. Hilary Clinton just today threatened legal consequences should be imposed for those spreading “misinformation”. Democracy is indeed being threatened should Democrats ever take back elected power. A chill wind just swept through even this forum. Thanks for the day brighteners, TJ And VV. Will stay away from any of your future traps again. Thanks for playing.
I think you think I think more than I do. I have zero 'deep state' intentions. More of a think of what you say before you post with your company name attached etiquette lesson. I learned that the hard way back in the 90s when email was warming up.
Re "a tag team?" LOL You are not able to see yourself (yourselves) with a broader lens. This is a blatant instance of the pot calling the kettle black. I'm not commenting on the rest of your reply because it is simply nuts.
…….Directly or indirectly participating…..
….intervening in…..
…..any political campaign….of any candidate…..
……public statements…… made on behalf of the organization………
Thin sauce to be deemed ……irrefutable violations ………for using only a similar screen name. But thank you for your detailed and chilling threats, VV. Any others you wish to share with us? Or vice versa. Is calling someone wacky, defamation or just free speech and only a personal opinion.
Threats? -More "out-there" conjecture. I simply inform.
Threats, VV. Chill these personal attacks. We operate on a different wave length here.
Such bullshit...when I lived in Mexico (albeit, illegally) there was no way in hell I could vote in any of their elections; they required a special ID and citizenship. Also, if you want to immigrate to Mexico, you are required to be able to show over $4,200/mo in GUARANTEED income (like retirement, not a job). Why is it that Mexico has better requirements for immigrants than we do? Why do we open the fence at unapproved entry points, and let just anyone waltz right in? Why don't they have to have a means of support? Why do we want them voting in our elections (I know the answer, but the question is rhetorical of course) Why do we want thousands of them on our streets with no way to work (language barriers, lack of skills) doing shit they shouldn't be doing, like selling stuff without a licence or stealing (you should see what's going on in NYC) The demoncrats have succeeded (in just a few shorts years) putting us on the short path to shitholeness.
Very, very few countries offer birth-right citizenship. US is a complete outlier on this one very troubling and gamed issue as well.
30 out of 195 countries. So yes, only 15%. This should be reconsidered.
I once never understood the strict requirements of Mexico immigrants versus the lax immigration requirements in the U.S. Why is it that Mexico appears to be so much smarter than the U.S.? Mexico only wants those coming in with money and the U.S. only wants those coming in that need money. Yep, we in the U.S. are really dumb!
yep, and don't forget this: most 'mexican' (and other central americans) that come to the U.S. make way more money than they would make there, and send a LOT of it home. Whereas Americans moving to Mexico or Central American, bring money from the U.S. and spend it locally. Mexico is WAY smarter than us...except there's the whole Deep State thing and not wanting to lose power for fear of the electric chair or worse..
The principal reason to have a federal government is to provide for the common defense, to secure our liberty and our rights including property rights by defending our border. Today the proposition that those who cross our borders illegally should be granted the right to vote is controversial. How did we come to believe that de facto invaders should be granted any rights at all? It is the best example of a threat to our democracy I can think of.
Thanks for explaining all that so clearly, Brent. Essential reading.
Consider me dense, but my take-away is that it is a requirement that one be a citizen of the United States of America to vote in all elections. The question is do they have to prove it. Seems the states make up their own rules and the US Government doesn't have any. To me, the right (and privilege) to vote comes with citizenship. You are either born into it or it's earned. Whether the numbers are small or vast, it doesn't matter, one must be a citizen to vote in the Country. If I am wrong, then we are even more in peril than I imagined. Blessings
the feds oughta have rules about it for federal elections. Proof of citizenship. a passport, or a birth cert will do the trick. Nothing else.
Anne, that would take a constitutional amendment. Federal government can exercise only express powers: all else is reserved to the states. Federal election laws usurp express state sovereignty over their elections.
Guard carefully against creeping federalism. This issue is ripe for full judicial review. And cannot be merely legislated away, in its current dual capacity—— intentionally confusing and complicating the entire election process in this country of late.
We must move back to one citizen, one vote and one Election Day, with an immediate and sustained count subject to full independent and transparent review. Democrats pushing recent
“Election reforms” have turned this one sacred duty of full citizenship into a murky, anti-American cesspit.
The Murkiness is the main problem.
This is depressing, as most matters political in Ca are, and my reaction is Vote, and hope the good judgement of the states that are not Ca, will carry the day.
The silent majority has yet to check in. Many continue to feel the very heavy hand of “woke mob” censorship. Bless the Founders for enshrining the secret ballot. Yet again, they were so wise about the dark side of human nature. 250 years ago.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that registering at the CA DMV for a drivers' license or registering a car led to being handed a form to register to vote, on what amounts to an opt-out basis. People who have entered the country illegally are eligible for EBT, housing assistance, a free phone and college and social security and a plane lift to their preferred destination. While our military industrial complex exports the weaponry that causes the collapse of their country of origin and sends them on the search for the streets paved with gold !!!!
Yesterday, we were reminded of the length Democrats will go in order to impact the outcome of the upcoming presidential election. Yes, a convicted criminal traveling several time zones from Hawaii, did in fact attempt to deprive us from voting for President Trump. It should be obvious to all, that the left, namely Democrats, will lie, cheat, steal and yes, kill in order for the rest of us to fall in line.
Yesterday, was also notable for Mexican Independence Day celebrations. The City of Oxnard was full of people waving Mexican flags celebrating their Country’s independence…to which there is nothing wrong with! It is not a stretch that some people will try to vote in our elections in order to affect the outcome which favors candidates supporting mass amnesty.
Why is showing ID such a hardship? Anytime you board an airplane, buy a firearm or enter a military installation, ID is required! I recently visited the museum at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas and not only was my ID required but also my SS number as well.
This entire issue is yet another wedge controversy manufactured by the Democrats in order to somehow play the race card, citing impoverished peoples of color that will somehow be deprived of their constitutional rights by being asked for their ID. Again, to travel ANYWHERE in the post 9/11 world, ID is required.
Suffice to say, I bet ID requirements for entering a POT SHOP is no problema for liberals!
I thought the Miami shooter voted for Trump, at least in 2016, and then became disgruntled with Trump for his lack of support for Ukraine in its defense against Trump's buddy Putin?
How long have you lived in California, LT? Mexican Independence Day has been celebrated here since 1821, whereas the first 4th of July celebration was in 1848. Once California gets a holiday they hang on to it! And don't forget Cinco de Mayo, first celebrated in Los Angeles in May 1863, the first anniversary of Mexico's victory over the French at Puebla on May 5, 1862. Cinco de Mayo is still not widely celebrated in Mexico because it is a California created holiday.
As for a national I.D., I believe it has been proposed, but was strongly opposed by Republicans because such national I.D.'s, or "internal passports" were required in Communist countries, which meant "we not doing that here!" A SS card is not for identification, it even says so on the card, and a DL (even with "real I.D.") is not proof of citizenship, it is just permission to operate a motor vehicle.
Siemsen,
I’ve been here since 60’, you how long? Yes, I’m very aware of Mexican holidays and respect THEIR right to celebrate THEIR holiday. You seem to have an issue with reality and/or cognition? Not really sure, but to try to float the idea that there is not a 3 alarm fire from unchecked illegal immigration is simply idiotic. Seriously, what part of gangs from Venezuela going on murder sprees do you not comprehend? Likewise, what part of Haitians taking over a small town in Ohio is acceptable to you?
Next, I suppose the recent attacks on Trump is his fault because Democrats say so?
Seriously, try to get your news from other sources besides Noozehawk or Edhat!
Born in Venice in the 1950's, moved to Lompoc in 1958 (where I learned my first Spanish!).
It's "THEIR" holiday? Don't tell me you don't participate in St. Patrick's Day, Mardi Gras, Juneteenth, or Indigenous Peoples' Day!
Why is it so hard for you to believe the Mayor of Springfield when he says that the Haitians are here LEGALLY and were INVITED by a Republican mayor and city council to fill vacancies at local factories? Instead, you accept the false accusations of Trump and Vance, even when Vance admits in an interview that he "made it all up" to draw attention to the immigration issue? Now Springfield has bomb threats from MAGA nut jobs and there are neo-Nazi Proud Boys marching in the streets -- not a Venezuelan gang in sight!
Both of the wannabe assassins were disgruntled Trumpers, not Democrats. All this hatred you espouse for immigrant "brown people," and for those who disagree with you, could negatively impact your physical health. Never heard of Noozehawk or Edhat, I will have to check them out. How about you, have you ever listened to the BBC, Deutsche Welle, or NewNation? Namaste, bro'!
The Haitians, for the most part, are here legally. Let's re-write the laws if we don't want this kind of immigration. Haitians, again for the most part, are not an "open boarder" problem.
Mexican Independence is but a continuation of the secular and republican revolution that the French and Americans in their revolts against God, King, and traditional values.
Long live the Spanish Empire! Down with nationalism!
Has there ever been an audit conducted in any state to show that a significant number of non-citizens voted in our elections? Not doubting it happened but it would be illuminating if we had evidence of it, and I am not talking about anecdotal or secondhand accounts.
Great question. Jeff Barton will roll over in his grave when he gets there - but I did an internet search. This is just a few of the audits I found. It would take more time to figure out the sources and what not.
In Georgia, a 2022 audit of voter rolls found that 1,634 non-citizens attempted to register to vote over a 25-year period, but none were successful.
In Ohio, a review found 597 potential non-citizen registrations out of about 8 million voters, with only 138 appearing to have actually voted
North Carolina's 2016 audit identified 41 legal immigrants who had cast ballots before becoming citizens, out of 4.8 million votes cast (0.0008%)
So yes, it's happening. But does it make a difference? Perhaps with the slim margins of elections now it does.
Never overlook the use of illegals when creating population-based rotten boroughs. Just as good as allowing illegal to vote when the goal is winning the district seat, but with a lot less expense and vote numbers.
Audit also in order to determine how many low citizenship, low voter registration districts are in Democrat hand Orono GOP hands. The balance of party majorities can be materially impacted by population based rotten boroughs.
Need facts more audited on this troubling possibility too. We see this huge voter turn out disparity in our own SB district elections. Full vote on city council earned by only a few hundred votes in low voter registration districts, versus a full vote on city council requiring several thousand votes to win. Is this democracy, or gaming the system?
The Democrat Trojan Horse called election reform that reared its head a few decades ago is providing some very ugly intended consequences. As planned.
Except for the Trojan Horse bit I agree with you. Again, I see this as a two party problem.
TJ, Give Trump a solid majority in the House and Senate and we can finally make progress. The people will have finally spoken in support the GOP platform on this issue.
Fruits of Google scholarship. I ask you why the Democrat party supports open borders? It has not reduced the price of carrots. No, it is because they will forever have allegiance to the Democrat party and vote accordingly. Why do you suspect that the Democrat party opposes proof of citizenship to vote?
Why do Democrats support open borders?
Rotten-borough population based voting districts and full employment for the teachers unions, immediately pop into my own head. Enlarging Big Government dependencies,and distributing our tax dollars as Democrat voter bribes is also on the table.
Tax revolt is the only untested option now.
How does tax revolt work?
Constitutional repeal and or amendments. Prop 13 type popular movements. Why keep sending mandatory crack to Beltway addicts since we are sadly learning even elections do not dislodge the Deep State. Defunding is our only option.
Thank you.
Jeff, I'm not extrapolating the data above anywhere. I'll leave that to you. And if it's worth anything to anyone I'm all for solid/better/any proof of citizenship to vote. You sure it's not the central valley farmers who hire 75% undocumented labor for harvesting/labor? Or about 1/2 the working in factory meat processing factories. They (I'm guess mostly GOP folks?) are getting something out of undocumented folks as well. This will never get fixed until both sides come to the table and do something about it.
Should our welfare rolls be expanding at the same time you claim we need open border illegal labor?
I do not want "open boarders" at all. You are stuffing in words to suit your reply. I want the Dems and GOP to get to work and make something that is planned and works for legal immigration. I would hope that includes hefty fines and penateis for people/companies that employ these "illegal" people. Both sides keep kicking the can down the street about what to do with the people and kids here already. That is going to be a mess. Quit focusing on your battle cry of "open boarders" the problem is so much greater than that. Students overstaying VISAs, etc.
We already have legal immigration with long waiting lines for our legal options. Targeting “amnesty” is critical and discrete. Clear temporary guest worker needs allowing special and limited permitting.
Over-staying student visas is another major hole, but include that on our lack of enforcement procedure for those intentionally violating our current temporary visa law.
Then we can move on to chain migration and the current birthright citizenship informal untested policy. But tackling the big ones first. Intentional illegal acts crossing our borders need swift consequences, not excuses.
Build the Wall. I do want that to be the message we send….come here legally; not illegally. Come on our terms, not yours.
Lou, one illegal vote either cancels out my entire legal vote, or illegally amplifies my one legal vote. Neither option is acceptable.
I personally would take out the qualifier “significant numbers” or the hoary, old “no evidence of widespread fraud” used now to excuse our very leaky election system.
I propose voting is too sacred and too fundamental to play close enough for government work games. Zero tolerance is then the only election integrity’s standard to apply. Then work very, very carefully back from that, when carving out exceptions.
A minute number of non-citizens (a number much too small to influence the outcome) have inadvertently appeared on the voter rolls but far fewer have actually cast ballots in national elections. Why would noncitizens go out of their way to cast a ballot anyway, risking deportation? Checks and balances are already in place - DMV and SS data are checked, along with signatures. Forcing the population to re-register would be a much greater impediment to a fair election.
Victoria, I appreciate your interest and would offer two thoughts:
1. Until the voter rolls are scrubbed, any measurement of the number of non-citizens voting is only a guess, where guesses are influenced by the agenda of the guesser.
2. Since the last federal election, more than ten million non-citizens have entered the U.S. with the incentive to not vote for the candidate that threatens ti depot them: Trump.
Victoria, I am not sure of your position on showing proof of citizenship. Do you think that it is
a hardship for people to either show a birth certificate or their naturalization papers? It would seem like such a simple thing to do and I am not sure what, if you are against it, is the big deal..
You have no idea how many illegal aliens have voted. What does it mean that they have inadvertently appeared on voter rolls? Perhaps they accidently registered to vote while applying for Calfresh? Swing states are regularly decided by margins in the range of 10,000 votes. It only takes one in one thousand illegals to vote to get 10,000 votes assuming ten million illegals. I believe it is closer to 20 million. Why would they take the risk? Perhaps because one candidate is running on mass deportation? Voting is a right granted to citizens who have a vested interest in the outcome.
I don't think that's really what is happening. It's more likely something like this:
1. they get the illegals to register, using a common address, like a MailBoxes, Etc.
2. When the mailin ballots come, the fraudsters collect them and vote for the illegals
3. that's it.
Anne, please provide your evidence of this to federal authorities so they can arrest and prosecute this person -- unless of course it's the employer of the illegals who is filling out all those ballots for Trump!
What makes you think that federal authorities have any interest in preventing anything that advantages the Democrat party. The same federal authorities that pressured facebook and twitter to censor posts about the Hunter laptop or covid information that might cause vaccine hesitancy?
You have no proof for that statement, VV.
... other than reported, fact-based, data - contrary to wild allegations and conjecture that I see flying around on this page.
Do your own research. If you are able, avoid sources like the National Enquirer and publications found at the bottom 3/4 of the media bias (and fact source identifier) chart
https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/
VV. You rely on very biased media resources. Please do not present these as fact. You just made an outrageous claim, as fact; not opinion. As they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
This is a very savvy group here, we have long been down all the blind alleys Democrat forces continue to inflict on the public. Always good to learn where people are coming from.
And learn you have already decided I am ……”wacky”. Carry on. There is a mute feature on this website, if needed.
The data that shows that the number of noncitizens casting ballots is so minute that it wouldn't influence the outcome of the election, is easy to find. I don't live online and am not going to write a dissertation here.
So sad that there are people out there who actually believe this crap. Under your guidelines, my dear old mother would not be able to vote. Born without a birth certificate and now no longer able to drive because of her age, she does not possess "proof" that she is a U.S. citizen. On her voter application she declared she was a U.S. citizen and now receives a mail-in ballot. Why would you deny her the right to vote? Why should an old woman have to stand in line to vote? You do realize that a counterfeit driver's license or U.S. birth certificate is almost as easy to obtain as an AR-15 assault rifle? The "illegals" who have those did not acquire them so they could "Vote." If this were actually happening, someone would have been arrested by now. Most documentable "voter fraud" with an arrest have been Republicans who voted more than once. Of course, such facts are ignored by those who support the racist Trump-Vance ticket; you know, the candidates who call LEGAL Haitian immigrants "illegals eating your pet dogs and cats" - despite so much evidence and denials by Springfield City officials to the contrary. So sad...what has become of my "Grand Old Party"?
Stephen, this is shameless of you, using your old mother like this. It reminds me of Nixon saying they could take his dog checkers away. A question, why didn't you help your mother all these years to get citizenship?
My mother IS a citizen, born in Minnesota the child of two native born U.S. citizens. I used my mother as an example because I know her situation. I could have also used my deceased father, born in Wyoming without a birth certificate. That fact did not stop the government from drafting him in WWII. He voted for years with the simple declaration that he was a U.S. citizen, his word was is proof. But, while I was stationed in Germany, where he fought in WWII, he was denied a U.S. passport because he had no "proof" he was a U.S. citizen. He later obtained a passport after a cousin found the original copy of his grandparent's naturalization certificate from the 1880's! Imagine having to go through all that crap just to vote.
I am pretty sure you just make up this shit
"Imagine having to go through all that crap just to vote." Stephen, I agree ... voting is a lot of work and why not give our voting to the Canadians and/or the Mexicans to decide who we elect for President, etc. That way we can all sit at home and be surprised to see who they vote for us. But we can get back later because we should also have the opportunity in turn to vote for the Canadians and Mexicans. That seems like a lot of fun to me. Skip "all that crap just to vote" and make it fun!
Stephen says Republicans vote more than once. We need more ballot checkers like Stephen watching the Democrats vote <g>. OK Stephen, you win, and I'm busted. I'll have to come up with another method of stuffing ballot boxes instead of using my carrier pigeons.
That is quite ironic Polly, you explicity used the example of your late mother along (buying explicit magazines for her son) with several other personal anecdotes in trying to justify the existence and consumption of pornography - you should not be blind to your own actions.
Stephen, you have the strangest rationalizations I've heard of in a long, long time. Give me a rationalization for the following: Bernie Sanders admitted Harris is doing/saying anything to be President. One thing I say about Bernie is he states the truth ... doesn't lie about his politics. But Harris doesn't show her real self. She only says what the people she's addressing want to hear ... even changing her speech accent to blend in with the locals. Like you have an excuse for immigrants voting, then how do you excuse Harris as being a person she is not for the sake of gaining votes? Please explain with your infinite wisdom.
What a load of crap you have just blurted out. My poor old husband has his naturalization papers and hopefully you could help your poor old mother find something to show she was born here. Get off your anti Trump rage for a bit. This should be a non partisan issue which affects all voters regardless of your party affiliation.
Stephen, please try not to sound so obtuse. Your mother surely is not the only one in the whole United States born without a birth certificate. All you need to do is punch in on the internet how to prove citizenship without a birth certificate and there are several options for you to take. I am assuming that your mother has voted most of her adult life. If so, there shouldn't be too much trouble for you to help her get the proper papers. Good luck with it.
HELLO!! You don't get "naturalization papers" if you are BORN in the U.S., with or without a birth certificate. My mother votes because for years she has declared she is a U.S. citizen, her oath was her "proof."
you watch way too much television.
Oh my God, here we go again with false conspiracy theories. See below:
The Brennan Center for Justice surveyed 44 election officials in some of the most populous and immigrant-heavy jurisdictions in the country after 2016, including Arizona, California and Texas. It found only about 30 incidents of a possible non-citizen voting out of 23.5 million votes cast in those places.
Such claims are a baseless as Trump winning the 2020 election.
They are not baseless, nor should election officials be investigating themselves. Start with ZERO tolerance, and work backwards from there.
Anyone who ever volunteered as a poll worker has direct experience with the very weak procedures at the polls, let alone this abomination of universal mail in ballots now requiring an election season, not a single Election Day. We must go back to one Election Day at the polls, with adequate training and supervision by an independent election office; not the current conflict of interests operations in place today.
Eliminate even the appearance of conflicts of interests in the execution of our elections, because we do not even come close to that today with the recorded partisan contribution records showing the domination of one political party among the government employees who also managing our elections.
As you stated, "A vote for a Democrat is a vote for allowing the government the right to deny requiring proof of citizenship in order to vote." Of course, we all know the reason for Biden/Harris allowing all the illegal immigrants into the country is for them to vote ... at the expense of U.S. citizens being murdered, raped, destroying personal and public property, taking away jobs for true Americans, on and on and on. What shocks me is the Dems can't simply say the reason the illegals were allowed into the country for the purpose of their votes is because they are simply evil!
There are many reasons for the current one party partisan support for open borders besides growing the Democrat vote. Let’s keep digging until we understand them all.
All voter fraud that has been found has been for the GoP.
No sale, Fthegop. Try harder here.
Brent- CA law allows 11th grade students in public schools to be registered to receive mailed ballots. By observation, students are not asked to provide any identifying information. “The law in California does not require proof of citizenship for any election, but instead only requires drivers’ licenses and a California ID number (obtained from DMV with proof of residency) or the last four digits of your Social Security number.” I do not think this statement applies to captured students in class. Please read your confirmation legislative intent.
My understanding is supermajority passed law to register class trapped students because CA Ed Code prohibits asking citizenship or legal status of any student. We’re talking thousands of non-citizen, alien voters in CA.