It’s the Democrat smear campaign. They boast lies and fiction, twist or cherry pick statements to purposefully to skew an election. When that fails they just call you a racist with no justification.
The Dems know it’s about public opinion and timing and it’s been done for decades.
Unfortunate that is how Bullies operate. Dems are school yard bullies manipulating people because they know they are failures and cannot stand on their own merits. And the people are not very intelligent, they fall for the lies almost every time.
Like when they clean up the homeless from a district right before an election or claim that wearing a piece of cloth will save your life, the list goes on.
Of course, one can chew gum and walk at the same time, meaning you can feel these prosecutions are an abuse of the system and also feel Trump recklessly tried to overturn an election without any real factual evidence of widespread cheating (according to his own paid experts) that would have changed the outcome. We all know in Trump's mind it's impossible for him to lose an election. If he loses these upcoming Republican primaries he will undoubtedly claim they were rigged, like how he said the Iowa caucus was stolen in 2016 when Cruz won it. The most grievous thing he did was insistently ask his Vice President to stop the counting of electoral votes at the deadline and then throw him under the bus when Pence did the right thing. The real question is why support a pathological liar like Trump when we have the very able DeSantis who may be the best Republican candidate for president since Reagan.
Lou, what did Trump do that was “illegal” or has not been done in practically every American election since there have been elections? I thought that’s one of the rights the American Revolution was fought for.
Since when is it “reckless” to question authority in America or the integrity of an election? Especially 2020 which is definitely “questionable” 🤪
As far as DeSantis is concerned, I like him too, he’s a good man and a capable competent administrator.
Just not his time I guess.
Barring assassination or civil war, Trump will be elected POTUS this year. Everyone knows it.
Do you know what a red herring is? It's what your response is full of since it doesn't address any of my points. It's as if you didn't read my post or certainly didn't comprehend it.
Good luck with your predictions. Maybe you can tell me with equal certainty what the stock market will do in 2024?
Lou, good points, there. I’m kind of bummed though; I was really going for more of a strawman thing there rather than a red herring! 😂🤷♂️
No stock predictions here, my friend, I am the absolute worst at that. I’ve gotten lucky over the years, but is all it was, just dumb luck and a tendency to buy/hold. I’m kind of the Seinfeld-Kramer of stock buying.
Nah, I was being kind by labeling it a red herring vs a straw man argument. Your response was more of a distraction than a deliberate attempt to misrepresent or distort. Trump is the master of using straw man fallacies to manipulate the feelings of his ardent supporters so they now feel everyone is conspiring to get them. When Trump say jump, they say how high. Trump said he could shoot someone and he wouldn't lose any voters. Of course he's wrong but not as it relates to his committed hero-worshiping cultists
As a paid card carrying MAGA hat wearing member of TheDonald’s “CHWCA” (Committed Hero-Worshipping Cultists of America), I can see you are on the fence about the man 😂
So what do you think of Vivek as his running mate?
I like the idea of someone who is not collecting social security and speaks in complete sentences. Also, I just love the idea of an American Indian being president someday! 😃
Vivek is a huckster, just a much more articulate and polished one. The only candidate who checks all the conservative boxes and has a demonstrated record of achieving the goals that are important to most conservatives is DeSantis. He is by far the best candidate we have had for president since Reagan. Unfortunately, my party has been hijacked and snookered by a buffoon and a glorified used car salesman who will lie, bluster and deceive with no remorse or shame. The tragedy is so many Republican have been hoodwinked by his petulant childlike behavior. It's pitiful.
"due process" means before you may punish someone for a crime, the state must accuse you officially of said crime, try you before a jury of your peers with adversarial advocacy of both sides represented, and then, last but not least, you must be convicted (found guilty). Without that, you have nothing but a a totalitarian state with delusions of star chamber justice.
This is the main focus of the 5th Amendment and why rogue states can't just accuse people of whatever they want and punish them for made-up charges in kangaroo courts....which is what is happening to Trump.
I wager that if there were any 5th amendment issues, Trump's team would have, or will, raise them. I have not seen any.
When you say, "5th Amendment be damned, right?" and "which is what is happening to Trump." How so? Where has the 5th amendment been disregarded relating to Trump?
5A clearly states that you can not deprive a citizen of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
Trump has not been formally accused of insurrection, nor has he been tried for insurrection, nor has he been convicted of insurrection.
5A
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
FURTHERMORE; Because of Section FIVE of the 14th Amendment. That section says hey -- you know the whole insurrection thing we just talked about?
How is this supposed to work? Who gets to decide who engaged in an insurrection? What sort of standard of proof applies? Is it a civil trial or a criminal trial? Is it a judge or a jury or someone else who decides that a particular person engaged in insurrection and therefore disqualified? What if they're already appointed - do they still get paid while the proceedings are going on?
The 14th amendment doesn't answer any of these questions. Instead, Section 5 says that Congress gets to pass legislation to give enforcement power to carry out Section 3.
And Congress did just that! Justice Samour points out that in 1870, Congress passed a law that allowed for both civil and criminal enforcement of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
This law was then repealed and replaced in 1948.
1948: Congress replaced the 1870 statute with a criminal insurrection law, 18 U.S.C. § 2383.
If convicted under that statute -- with full criminal due process afforded the defendant -- one of the punishments is to be banned from holding office in the United States.
Trump has not been charged under this statute.
So. Congress -- and only Congress -- gets to pass legislation enforcing Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
Congress did so, and it chose to enact a criminal statute that bars anyone convicted under it from holding any office in the U.S.
Trump has not been charged or convicted under that statute.
Therefore, Trump can appear on the ballot.
This analysis renders a lot of the other questions irrelevant.
Did Trump engage in an insurrection? Does Section 3 apply to the President? Should Trump be off the ballot nationwide or just in states like Colorado that found that he engaged in an insurrection?
None of that matters. The only thing that matters is that Congress followed the 14th Amendment and established a procedure for barring someone from office for engaging in an insurrection, and that procedure was not followed here.
Not sure how we got to an insurrection or names on ballots. Your response, “5th Amendment be damned, right?” was to James’s comment on January 5, which did not mention an insurrection or the 14th amendment insurrection clause. I will only ask how and where Trump’s “life, liberty, or property” is being threatened in disregard to the 5th amendment.
I hope we can agree President Trump is not facing the death penalty. Liberty general means incarceration but I will leave that open for you.
Where is the state threatening Trump's liberty interests or threatening to deprive him of a property interest WITHOUT the due process required under the 5th amendment?
What an attorney argues is meaningless. What the court finds is what is important. The 9th circuit reversed for lack of proper venue and the Congressman may be retried.
It’s the Democrat smear campaign. They boast lies and fiction, twist or cherry pick statements to purposefully to skew an election. When that fails they just call you a racist with no justification.
The Dems know it’s about public opinion and timing and it’s been done for decades.
Unfortunate that is how Bullies operate. Dems are school yard bullies manipulating people because they know they are failures and cannot stand on their own merits. And the people are not very intelligent, they fall for the lies almost every time.
Like when they clean up the homeless from a district right before an election or claim that wearing a piece of cloth will save your life, the list goes on.
Of course, one can chew gum and walk at the same time, meaning you can feel these prosecutions are an abuse of the system and also feel Trump recklessly tried to overturn an election without any real factual evidence of widespread cheating (according to his own paid experts) that would have changed the outcome. We all know in Trump's mind it's impossible for him to lose an election. If he loses these upcoming Republican primaries he will undoubtedly claim they were rigged, like how he said the Iowa caucus was stolen in 2016 when Cruz won it. The most grievous thing he did was insistently ask his Vice President to stop the counting of electoral votes at the deadline and then throw him under the bus when Pence did the right thing. The real question is why support a pathological liar like Trump when we have the very able DeSantis who may be the best Republican candidate for president since Reagan.
Lou, what did Trump do that was “illegal” or has not been done in practically every American election since there have been elections? I thought that’s one of the rights the American Revolution was fought for.
Since when is it “reckless” to question authority in America or the integrity of an election? Especially 2020 which is definitely “questionable” 🤪
As far as DeSantis is concerned, I like him too, he’s a good man and a capable competent administrator.
Just not his time I guess.
Barring assassination or civil war, Trump will be elected POTUS this year. Everyone knows it.
"Everyone knows it"
From your lips to God's ears.
Do you know what a red herring is? It's what your response is full of since it doesn't address any of my points. It's as if you didn't read my post or certainly didn't comprehend it.
Good luck with your predictions. Maybe you can tell me with equal certainty what the stock market will do in 2024?
Lou, good points, there. I’m kind of bummed though; I was really going for more of a strawman thing there rather than a red herring! 😂🤷♂️
No stock predictions here, my friend, I am the absolute worst at that. I’ve gotten lucky over the years, but is all it was, just dumb luck and a tendency to buy/hold. I’m kind of the Seinfeld-Kramer of stock buying.
Nah, I was being kind by labeling it a red herring vs a straw man argument. Your response was more of a distraction than a deliberate attempt to misrepresent or distort. Trump is the master of using straw man fallacies to manipulate the feelings of his ardent supporters so they now feel everyone is conspiring to get them. When Trump say jump, they say how high. Trump said he could shoot someone and he wouldn't lose any voters. Of course he's wrong but not as it relates to his committed hero-worshiping cultists
As a paid card carrying MAGA hat wearing member of TheDonald’s “CHWCA” (Committed Hero-Worshipping Cultists of America), I can see you are on the fence about the man 😂
So what do you think of Vivek as his running mate?
I like the idea of someone who is not collecting social security and speaks in complete sentences. Also, I just love the idea of an American Indian being president someday! 😃
Vivek is a huckster, just a much more articulate and polished one. The only candidate who checks all the conservative boxes and has a demonstrated record of achieving the goals that are important to most conservatives is DeSantis. He is by far the best candidate we have had for president since Reagan. Unfortunately, my party has been hijacked and snookered by a buffoon and a glorified used car salesman who will lie, bluster and deceive with no remorse or shame. The tragedy is so many Republican have been hoodwinked by his petulant childlike behavior. It's pitiful.
May criminal Trump and Trump's self-selected swamp of criminals get convicted and sued and to the fullest extent of the law.
sure, James, but what happens on appeal? I think that is the point of Brent's article. Show trials rarely end well.
On what charge?
5th Amendment be damned, right? 😂🙄
the 5th amendment relates to double jeopardy, self-incrimination, and due process. It has a slight connection to being charged. ????
"due process" means before you may punish someone for a crime, the state must accuse you officially of said crime, try you before a jury of your peers with adversarial advocacy of both sides represented, and then, last but not least, you must be convicted (found guilty). Without that, you have nothing but a a totalitarian state with delusions of star chamber justice.
This is the main focus of the 5th Amendment and why rogue states can't just accuse people of whatever they want and punish them for made-up charges in kangaroo courts....which is what is happening to Trump.
I wager that if there were any 5th amendment issues, Trump's team would have, or will, raise them. I have not seen any.
When you say, "5th Amendment be damned, right?" and "which is what is happening to Trump." How so? Where has the 5th amendment been disregarded relating to Trump?
5A clearly states that you can not deprive a citizen of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
Trump has not been formally accused of insurrection, nor has he been tried for insurrection, nor has he been convicted of insurrection.
5A
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
FURTHERMORE; Because of Section FIVE of the 14th Amendment. That section says hey -- you know the whole insurrection thing we just talked about?
How is this supposed to work? Who gets to decide who engaged in an insurrection? What sort of standard of proof applies? Is it a civil trial or a criminal trial? Is it a judge or a jury or someone else who decides that a particular person engaged in insurrection and therefore disqualified? What if they're already appointed - do they still get paid while the proceedings are going on?
The 14th amendment doesn't answer any of these questions. Instead, Section 5 says that Congress gets to pass legislation to give enforcement power to carry out Section 3.
And Congress did just that! Justice Samour points out that in 1870, Congress passed a law that allowed for both civil and criminal enforcement of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
This law was then repealed and replaced in 1948.
1948: Congress replaced the 1870 statute with a criminal insurrection law, 18 U.S.C. § 2383.
If convicted under that statute -- with full criminal due process afforded the defendant -- one of the punishments is to be banned from holding office in the United States.
Trump has not been charged under this statute.
So. Congress -- and only Congress -- gets to pass legislation enforcing Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.
Congress did so, and it chose to enact a criminal statute that bars anyone convicted under it from holding any office in the U.S.
Trump has not been charged or convicted under that statute.
Therefore, Trump can appear on the ballot.
This analysis renders a lot of the other questions irrelevant.
Did Trump engage in an insurrection? Does Section 3 apply to the President? Should Trump be off the ballot nationwide or just in states like Colorado that found that he engaged in an insurrection?
None of that matters. The only thing that matters is that Congress followed the 14th Amendment and established a procedure for barring someone from office for engaging in an insurrection, and that procedure was not followed here.
That is pretty much it.”
Not sure how we got to an insurrection or names on ballots. Your response, “5th Amendment be damned, right?” was to James’s comment on January 5, which did not mention an insurrection or the 14th amendment insurrection clause. I will only ask how and where Trump’s “life, liberty, or property” is being threatened in disregard to the 5th amendment.
I hope we can agree President Trump is not facing the death penalty. Liberty general means incarceration but I will leave that open for you.
Where is the state threatening Trump's liberty interests or threatening to deprive him of a property interest WITHOUT the due process required under the 5th amendment?
What an attorney argues is meaningless. What the court finds is what is important. The 9th circuit reversed for lack of proper venue and the Congressman may be retried.