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Polly Frost's avatar

I truly don't get the arrogance and political naivite of some SB Current commenters. Truly. You sit back and tsk at Trump and Musk, etc., then Mark Rock writes a factual good piece about the government funding of indoctrination on our campuses, but come on, this is something anyone with half a brain has known about for years, that our government has been funding not aid to other countries but ways to funnel our tax money money into their NGO programs which supposedly are independent but really anything but and are used to interfere with other countries. So over the weekend Musk goes into USAID and the worms who've been profiteering from it are scattering, running, resigning. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14354683/Elon-Musk-shuts-USAID-Donald-Trump-approval.html But you all act like this isn't happening. Like Trump and Musk just aren't doing what they should be doing. Sometimes I think Santa Barbarans are hopeless. When are you going to stop the weed for a day and pay attention to how much good is actually being done by this administration in a few weeks as you sit here ragging on Trump?

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George Russell's avatar

Agree, the left has only one ability, just one and no other, and that ability is to walk around saying 'Trump did it' to anything they don't like. That's it. That's their ability. That is why I suspect they will never return to power. the Adults have regained power, the adults will likely remain in power. Even young voters are seeing this and supporting Republicans and Trump in record numbers.

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Polly Frost's avatar

Yes, George. Have you noticed how much more conservative the generation now going to college is? I hear it from young people and from people who are parents. Not conservative in a religious way or the way previous generations have been. They have common sense! They have been through the lockdown. They resent being called racist when they aren't. They know they aren't racist. The twentysomethings who are older may still fall for this gaslighting but not the younger ones. My friend James Kunstler posted a terrific piece about it today

https://www.kunstler.com/p/last-rites?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=e32x3&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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George Russell's avatar

Yes it is rather incredible particularly given the non stop Liberal propaganda they are fed in school, in the movies, in their music, somehow they are seeing through it using, drum roll here, common sense! Thanks I'll read that article!

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Monica Bond's avatar

Excellent article and a subject matter that should concern everyone. I'd love to see federal funding completely stopped while these hateful and poisonous brainwashing programs exist.

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Paul Aijian MD's avatar

This is why the state of California needs someone like Chris Rufo. He was commissioned by De Santis to get rid of DEI in one Florida University. It was like poking a hornets nest, but I think he made some progress. The academic world is 99% captured

There are a few exceptions like Hillsdale College

We need someone like De Santis to unleash a California version of Rufo

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L. Angel's avatar

No thanks. Chris Rufo is a zionist, America last. And so is De Santis.

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Thomas John's avatar

Rufo was one of the early folks fanning the 'they're eating the cats and dogs' thing too.

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SUZANNE PETRIE's avatar

Wow! Thanks for exposing this!!

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LT's avatar

Thank you Mr. Rock for exposing the state funded racism occurring at our tax supported UC system. It should be no surprise to anyone that liberal thugs have hijacked our education system which vilifies whites and exemplifies un-American racism and grievance. BLM specifically, is a vile, hate group which has used its tax exempt status to engage in a confidence game, taking advantage of white guilt and using its status to engage in money laundering. BLM should be a top priority in the Trump Justice Department for exposing criminal activity and prosecution for multiple felony offenses.

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Brian MacIsaac's avatar

This is something I’ve been railing about for what seems like forever. Great work! Keep it up 👍🏼

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Bill Russell's avatar

Perhaps Trump will ban by Executive Order No. 66666 liberal professorial brainwashing of students in universities (along with liberal organizations) across the country and place a cap of professor salaries no more than $200K. Any violation will stop any Federal funding at those universities in violation of the Order. I'll send this to Marjorie Taylor Greene. Universities are for learning an occupation and not for political orientation brainwashing.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Transparent California: University of California employee compensation schedules:

https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2023/university-of-california/#google_vignette

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Bill Russell's avatar

What are the humungous "Other Pay" amounts listed? Maybe I should submit a course offer in Industry Practical Engineering at UCSB with a salary at $666,666 per year, including all "other pay" amounts.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Good question, "other pay" could be ticket sales, franchising, grant funding, class overload, research royalties summer sessions, car allowances, foundation funding .....????? Good to track down - who knew UC's pathetic "athletics" was so lucrative. Sound mind; sound body, sound bank accounts.

Goal of Transparent California is to stimulate just these types of questions, so when government employees claim at every bargaining session they are "underpaid", we have a ready reference to determine exactly what that means in real terms.

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Bill Russell's avatar

Maybe the coaches receive big dollar bonuses when winning national championships, such as in Frisbee throwing. Anyone knows how to throw a Frisbee and could be a Frisbee coach.

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Howard Walther's avatar

I read this article by Mark Rock Tilted "Indoctrication at UCSB"

and recommend a new title "Corruption at UCSB" and I provide

the weblinks below>

https://www.independent.com/2019/05/09/whistleblower-lawsuits-blow-lid-off-ucsb-police/

https://www.noozhawk.com/ucsb_police_department_embroiled_in_lawsuit_controversy/

https://dailynexus.com/PrintEditions/05-2019/05-09-19.pdf

I had a long talk with one of the family members of a Police Officer who sued UCSB.

It is much worse than what is detailed in the above articles. Enuf said.

Why am I always posting on Corruption in Santa Barbara.

Maybe Just Maybe because Corruption is Endemic in Santa Barbara

Howard Walther, Member of a Military Family

PS1 - the family member, of the police officer who I talked to for some time, that sued

UCSB is referred to in the above articles. I am not going to post their name > Retaliation

is a well-known documented fact in SB and in the State of CALI.

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Thomas John's avatar

I clicked the link above "...first get past the following: “CCSP stands unequivocally united with the Black Lives Matter movement”."

"404 page not found"

I suspect the site has been changed since Mr. Rock wrote this piece.

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Santa Barbara Current's avatar

Thank you Thomas. The error was on our side and has been corrected on the site. The link now works.

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J. Livingston's avatar

The full statement from the current website:

Diversity, Equity and inclusion

CCSP stands unequivocally united with the Black Lives Matter movement. The mission of our department is to train the next generation of diverse scholars in applied psychology. This work begins at home, interrupting the ways anti-Black racism shows up in our teaching, research, and the clinical services we provide to our local community. It is only through long-term commitment to this work that every Black student, staff and faculty member in CCSP can thrive. We commit to taking the following steps to commit to social justice and racism efforts:

The impact of racism and anti-racist scholarship, education, and clinical practices will be incorporated in courses.

A plan to successfully recruit and retain Black scholars, including students and faculty, will be developed.

Faculty, staff, and students will engage in training and critical conversations on the role of racism, white supremacy, and social justice work within academia, the GGSE, and CCSP.

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Michael Self's avatar

Parents need to wake up and stop sending their children to reeducation camps

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J. Livingston's avatar

How many parents in our state K-12 today can even read? Serious question. Let alone stand up and demand changes. Passivity about their children's education today is a major stumbling block, or as currently seen a splendid opportunity to exploit by special interests.

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Thomas John's avatar

This is a real concern.

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Monica Bond's avatar

Speaking of our educational system, I do think that besides an overhaul of our university and college age institutions, a major focus should also be on our K-12 as by the time our youth have made it through the lower grades they have pretty much been so indoctrinated with garbage that they are at a disadvantage for real critical thinking.

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Mark Rock's avatar

Monica,

The feature on our local K-12 will make what’s happening in higher ed look like a stroll through the meadow on a sunny day. Stay tuned…

Mark Rock

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J. Livingston's avatar

Prop 98 which created automatic K-12 funding in California needs a very serious retrospective. Did we achieve our good intentions when Prop 98 was passed "for the children"?

Or did we in fact create an unaccountable educational industrial complex power base, totally detached from its intended original mission - maintaining the former first-class public education for which this state was long known.

Somehow today after voters generously passed Prop 98, our state K-12 is now ranked #45 in the nation, and a laughing stock example of what not to do.

Yet the unaccountable Prop 98 money continues to flow into this virtually 100% dysfunctional K-12 system producing way too many students who leave the current system not even achieving basic three "R" educational fundamentals.

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Robert Johnson's avatar

Good idea keeping S.B. Current readers' rage focused on local issues these past few days rather than on the "peak incompetence" (to quote Republican David Brooks) happening in D.C.

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J. Livingston's avatar

RJ: Eliminating billions of tax dollars used to support USAID is hardly "peak incompetence". It is mission accomplished. Incorporate its few worthy goals into the Department of State.

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Thomas John's avatar

USAID is full of misspent money and bloat. But gutting that function will just clear the greens of last few holes for China to step up and win the game.

China and the US have different approaches to foreign aid. The US more humanitarian and China more infrastructure - but with the US off the table the world will be looking to China for leadership.

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J. Livingston's avatar

China has already been "investing" around the world while USAID and the rest of prior non-Trump administrations slept. And China has been also meeting with mixed success and potential for serious unrest in their client countries, as much as the prior western "colonialism" also faced.

It is a bloody, zero sum game and needs at lot more strategic thinking and power playing than what the feckless ideologues at USAID have been playing. So far "talk talk" has been working very successfully for Trump to start countering the rash of Chinese infiltrations, that have been going on strategically on their part for decades.

New guy in town. Give this some time. Shoveling money with zero accountability and blind allegiance to a former status quo with knee jerk self-protectionism of one's own piece of the pie demands a new evaluation for purpose, goals, costs and alternatives. Carry on DOGE. Two weeks into a new administration is not the time to claim failure.

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Robert Johnson's avatar

J. Livingston: "... not the time to claim failure" eh? Tell that to the Wall Street Journal who today proclaimed Trump's tariff plans "The dumbest trade war in history."

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J. Livingston's avatar

RJ: WSJ has long had a severe case of TDS. For us the WSJ teeters precipitously on unsubscribing. I would no longer give them a blanket benediction on anything they claim, including their long running Peggy Noonan blather.

So there you have it, as far as I am concerned about the WSJ. Was hoping the "new" LA Times was going to offer a print delivery alternative, but that so far has fallen well short of the mark too .

Luckily with the variety online resources today, one can construct their own 31 flavors of media opinion writers and news stories. But nothing replaces holding a print media in hand, in the morning. However, that is only because I am old.

One thing time has taught us, is no matter how thick the initial vitriol, Trump is later proven to be more far right than wrong. Even if he still get labeled as "far right". Right on. I am happy he is breaking up the status quo. Accept there will be hits, missed, delayed gratification and law of unintended consequences in play. I will leave his final scorecard for later right now.

Run fast and break things (Facebook Zuck) is working for me right now. Phew, at along last.

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Thomas John's avatar

I'm not claiming failure at all. I think 99% of the time you don't comment on my comment but just get up on your soap box . And I'm fine with seeing how talk-talk and weaving go.

My original concern on this thread was allowing a bunch of non-security-checked kids led by Elon access to so much sensitive data.

This is the fox guarding the hen house. You'll argue that the eggs are miss spent - fine -I agree with you in part. But just giving tech bros' keys to the sage is a terrible idea.

But again I digress from the original topic of the UC system, BLM etc.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Our job as voters and citizens - eternal vigilance and throw the bums out when they transgress. Thank you for monitoring this issue for the rest of us. I am already appalled at the degrees of censorship and surveillance we are already asked to accept. Forgive my cynicism thinking, how much worse can it get? Or by whom. Having just seen our own mass hysteria is the worst self-inflicted oppression of all.

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Thomas John's avatar

Yeah, like the fact that the richest man on the planet Elon Musk’s team yesterday took control of our Treasury’s payment system, essentially gaining access to the checkbook with which the United States handles about $6 trillion annually and to all the financial information of Americans and American businesses with it.

Talk about the fox in the hen house.

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J. Livingston's avatar

TJ: How would you describe the current "fox" guarding the hen house - the unelected and highly partisan Democrat-voting deep state? Looking forward to OMB audit of all existing government agencies.

As a headline stated the other day, just think what Trump could actually be accomplishing if he did not have to spend so much time and energy cleaning up the mess he inherited. But cleaning up this current mess is one heck of a good start. Hold your fire.

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Thomas John's avatar

I have less faith in Musk.

If what you call the Democrat voting deep state was so powerful Trump would not be in office. I think both sides participate in the muck of the swamp. I don't see old Cons or new MAGA folks floating on top in pretty white boats either.

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J. Livingston's avatar

You err, TJ . Sabotaging Trump from within has been a very potent deep state insurrection, that did not even require an election. A lot easier and comes with a very good steady paycheck and pension.

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Thomas John's avatar

Oh, just like Biden, etc. was sabotaged. Look at the immigration deal Trump canned while not even in office. Not the best plan I'll give you - but the deep Maga state followed orders.

I think you make too much of this whole "fear of losing a pension" thing. From the handful of folks I know with those jobs that's on the second page of their concerns.

But I digress. I'm trying to keep my comments relevant to the author's writings.

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J. Livingston's avatar

It took reading the Black Lives Matter Manifesto until the very last page at the start of this astro-turf movement in 2020 to discern its real agenda: an internecine food fight between SEIU and the teachers unions against law enforcement unions who choose to support Trump in 2020. All BLM donations on this early website were run through ActBlue, the fund-raising arm of the Democrat Party.

Final page of BLM Manifesto demanded all new jobs require union membership, and all barriers to employee unionization must be eliminated. Defund the Police was simply code for gives us their money for "education" (teachers unions) and "social services" (SEIU). Prove me wrong.

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Thomas John's avatar

Interesting. Thanks for digging though it.

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George Russell's avatar

Since our Universities love quotas so much I think they should be forced to uphold another 'quota'. 50% of all professors and classes and textbooks must be from confirmed Conservatives. At present 95% of professors are Liberal. This is unbalanced. How do you teach young people critical thinking if they are only spoon fed one point of view.

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Gene's avatar

How sad so many people are threatened by thinking-people with differing viewpoints. I bet all those theoretical physics and applied math students are liberal radicals, and don't forget the chem students trying to make the grade in one of the top programs in the country... they are surely a threat to democracy.

Jefferson and Hamilton would be saddened that citizens are being demonized for the act of thinking, learning and voicing diverse opinions. BTW... that's what they were doing to intellectuals and students in China and under Thailand's military dictatorship when I spent several months there. That may be what some want but not this American.

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Santa Barbara Current's avatar

The radical Chinese students were supported by the Maoist state and Thailand's military dictatorship was supported by the Thai state. And woke ideology of UCSB and many other colleges is funded by US taxpayers. All three are prime examples of anti-intellectual indoctrination regimes. To return the US to its Jeffersonian roots, defunding and defanging radical state sponsored indoctrination is critical.

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Gene's avatar

Whose indoctrination do you support? Why does your view of "right thinking" have any more value than what Orfalea teaches at USC or what Gross, Kohn, or Tooby taught at UCSB? Some like to fight for intellectual mediocrity, and some want diverse thinkers coming up the ranks who, like Jefferson and Hamilton, were not afraid of opposing opinions and who actually read Marx, Lenin, Hune, and Jean-Jacques Rousseau with the goal of learning.

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Santa Barbara Current's avatar

It is telling that you think one must support any type of indoctrination. Please read the actual words Jefferson and Hamilton, not just typing their names. Do you believe the state should be telling students what to think or more simply how to think?

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Gene's avatar

I’m in the camp that supports learning, exploring ideas, having lively debate and not demonizing those who think differently … whether it conforms to my biases or not. BTW, I just finished the 31st essay from the Federalist Papers, so Hamilton, Madison and Jay’s works are on my mind a lot.

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Mark Rock's avatar

The point of the piece is that there shouldn’t be any indoctrination at all. It just so happens, as any honest person must admit, that the left, and increasingly the radical left, has hijacked our educational system at all levels.

Whether it’s psychology, theoretical physics, or chemistry, students shouldn’t have to pass an ideological litmus test that is irrelevant to their field of study in order to further their education and bring their talents to the world. Those who do not want their education diluted by politics are likely among the most dedicated and capable students within their disciplines. These people are either shunning ideology-driven programs or are opting to not pursue graduate studies at all out of frustration/disillusionment/disgust. The point is: keep ideology, leftist and otherwise, out of education.

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Gene's avatar

Thank you for your OPINION. That’s that basis of debate. Statements like “any honest person” is subjective and despite being delivered as fact, is also just an opinion and I welcome yours even though we do not agree on such broad brush statements.

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Chas McClure's avatar

I am active in SB community and travel. I do not believe racism is anything like the problem they profess. It’s a diversion. Talent gets people places. Within the system described here, complaining gets some people places, but without the talent? Imagine the stress of being in a job but not being qualified? That’s not helpful but a stressful curse.

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