Great article Andy. I too remember vividly, the assassination of JFK back in 63’. Like you, I too was let out of class early on that fateful November day while attending Arthur Hapgood Elementary. Seems like a lifetime ago, maybe because it was.
I find myself agreeing with you that the Left has become an “evil ideology.” My parents, long gone now and true blue Democrats, would never recognize their own party.
Today, we bid farewell to our friend and brother, Charlie. Millions are celebrating his young life and expressing their love for him.
Why then has the MSM continue to hide and conceal the “evil ideology” that took Charlie away from us? Why did Jimmy Kimmel lie to us on national television about the motivation of this evil?
There has now been overwhelming evidence that those that identify as “Transgender”are becoming more brazen and violent, having been involved in multiple attacks. So much so, that some in the media are now referring to this movement as “Transtifa.” Why is this, does the massive amount of hormonal replacement therapy that Trans receive as part of their “transition therapy” play a role in violent behavior as a horrible side effect? Regardless, there must be a full and transparent investigation into the motives, funding and actions of this evil, sick and vile ideology.
Those on the Left, that have rejoiced in this act, are now reminding us how sick and twisted they have become. The recent articles by Jerry Roberts and “Newsfakers” denying culpability by the Left and doubling down on their hate is truly disgusting.
“We don't trust you. One of yours killed Charlie and then you laughed at our pain, protested our vigils & said Charlie was to blame and in hell. You lied about the killer’s motives & said he was MAGA when you knew he wasn’t. You put us all in danger by not admitting the truth and then not relenting on the lies you tell about us. You cried endless tears for Jimmy Kimmel but none for Charlie.
You gleefully cancelled all of us for five+ years and danced when we suffered. You censored us & ruined careers of distinguished doctors & others who dared to say the truth during Covid and George Floyd. You cost our children years of learning during lockdowns and endangered them with deadly myocarditis by burying the risk disclosures and never apologized or owned it.
Your govt tried to strong arm Fox into firing Tucker bc of his J6 coverage and you said not a peep about the first amendment.
You changed Title IX with the stroke of a pen, without consent, and endangered and hurt our defenseless daughters. You sterilized and cut off the healthy body parts of children & want to keep doing it.
You lied about a near-vegetative president being fine with the nuclear codes.
You (personally) had Doug Emhoff on as the scandal of his alleged woman abuse and cheating broke and you didn’t ask him ONE Q about it, then tried to tell us you care about women.
You opened the border and let in ten+ million illegals who killed Laken Riley and 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungaray after they sexually assaulted her and threw her off a bridge, along with the countless other innocents they rape, murder and molest to this day.
So no, we don’t care what you say about Tom Homan.
Megyn Kelly so beautifully goes on the offensive. She does not waste single breath when Democrats try to put us on the defensive. She gets an A in both style and content. May she be in inspiration to us all, when Democrats ramp up their vicious campaigns against us again.
China and Russia must be so happy. We're sitting around hating each other, driven to a new degree by social media gone wild, while they are getting ready (esp China) to continue eating our lunch and start on our dinner.
I hope, with all my heart that this movement that is growing remains true to Charlie Kirk’s intentions. My fears are that this energy will, instead be capitalized upon by folks not so pure in intentions but see this as a force to be captured and politicized. And used for further divisiveness and confrontational chaos. Not to mention a really amazing financial bonanza for some. The group is vulnerable to controlled opposition leaders and members. And my hope is that it self-reflects, often. And vets incoming personnel equally as often. As humans we always seem to turn such moments into a mess vs what it could be. When money and political power come together, there always seems to be corruption. Guard yourselves. Stay true to his intentions.
Hello Forest, you made these comments in a recent post>"It is our responsibility to remind our political folks who WE are and what their duties are….and are not. It is our responsibility to make sure they follow our constitutional laws and intentions. If we abrogate that responsibility to ANYONE, we lose our freedoms."
You may want to look at this from Hannity on Charlie Kirk>
Andrew Breitbart got this and did his best to educate the rest of us about Democrat means, methods and motivations. Before Andrew Brietbart's own very untimely death as well.
There is a fine line between being a hater and expressing deeply negative views and hostility toward many groups as he did. He seemed to be an expert at riding that line - and proved himself a king of social media with that talent.
I didn't know him. I've just spent a few hours listening to some of his debates. And that's my take. I guess if you're a nice white christian he loved you. If you fell out of that... not so much.
With the assassination of the great Charlie Kirk, it seems something must be done to stop the intentional and insane indoctrination of our young people by schools.
We must have a purge of all the radical Marxists in the schools.
Professors teaching DEI and class hatred, and the whole spectrum of Marxist disorders are turning normal kids into stone cold killers.
A purge is the only effective, quick and intelligent solution. Any profs that were pushing this on students must be removed. Any found to be continuing the teaching of these subjects must be stopped, by firing and removal from any public schools
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In Mao’s time they were all sent to camps or worse. Today firing them from all government schools would be a good start. They are as bad or worse than child molesting teachers,
Also we can hope for withdrawal of all government funding from any private school that keeps its communist professors and teachings.
And somehow that doesn’t seem enough.. The government, our government can and must go further and simply outlaw the teachings, same as if a college was teaching NAZI or devil worship as a study course, that would be flat out banned.
And so we can ban Marxist/DEI/anti America hate curriculum at any school. Would Congress vote against this? Democrats would .. and they would have to justify teachings that are in essence CIA level mind propaganda… that results in young people going berserk and killing leaders they don’t like.
Congress must act. To flat out ban the teachings, remove those that were closely involved with the process, and remove any who refuse to desist. Admins, profs, anybody who pushes these studies must go. These colleges ARE the hate speech centers.
Drive them underground. They cannot keep up with this teaching of insanity .. Turning out rude little killers like they are doing now.. and thinking it’s funny, and pretending they’re not pleased with the results.
The results are just what these Marxist professors are expecting. They smirk and wink as they convert normal kids under their control and attention.. into psychopathic assassins. Kids that we entrust to them to be ‘educated.’
Education needs a purge. A bloodless calculated mass removal of a tumor before it’s too late to save the patient.
Our government has a duty to clean house.
Let us rally Congress to put something on the books and make it permanent. In our schools where our naive young people go to learn about the world, we cannot allow the Marxists to run wild polluting and infecting the minds of our young people.
The teachers unions response to declining K-12 school enrollments - losing one million students in just the past year in California - is to keep all of the teacher union members hired to now teach Pre-K education.
This means the same teachers union members will snatch children's little minds away from their parents, and start the indoctrination at age 3 instead of age 5. But meanwhile the number of teachers union dues-paying members does not miss one dollar.
Erik’s legacy is HUGE and will live on with many, especially our youth, through Turning Point with his beautiful wife, Erika at the helm. Today’s rally at State Farm Stadium is sure to move the needle in America big time. Most recent numbers indicate that 65,000 new college and high school campus youth have reached out to TP over the last two weeks on how they can join as chapters of TP and swell that on campus presence beyond its current 2,100 or so.
God bless this nation, Charlie Kirk and the legacy he left whose torch no doubt will burn so much brighter in days ahead. I just pray now that people of all walks will listen and open their hearts.
We need to remind ourselves we live in California, where the ideological rot runs so deep in our one-party state and our one-party community, we will miss the ideological transformation that is now gripping much of the rest of America.
We do need tin-foil hats, to ward off the crazy vibes we are constantly subject to in this state. However, united we stand, and there may come surprises from this state after all. The California bear has been poked, and waking from its slumber.
“You mean there are people on the right more extreme than Charlie Kirk?”
“Most of us…they killed the nice guy”
I think this is the reason we are seeing so many leftists try to immediately push back against Charlie Kirk and his movement. They can only see the world thru their own perspective and what they did to rightists and conservatives when the shoe was on the other foot. They remember what they did after the death of George Floyd and think they know what is coming.
They are wrong.
For what it’s worth, I think the left leaning folks just don’t understand who Kirk was and what he represented. They can not conceive of what the conservative response will be to this because they lack all frames of reference.
IMO, the response will be overwhelming, but nothing like the rage and rioting the left did. It will be deeper and longer lasting. More like the response to MLK, Ghandi, and of course, Jesus.
The Romans had no frame of reference to understand how to respond to Jesus and the early Christians. Their only frame of reference was enemy combatants and the politics of power, which served them quite well up to that point. They weren’t evil, they just never saw it coming. The overwhelming response.
It will be a new resolve based on reason and human connection. Like what Kirk started. This is a turning point, the political and social landscape will be unrecognizable a year from now.
Also true Andy. Keep at them and keep pointing out the corruption at all levels. This insidious ideology has infected government, and it must be pointed out each and every time it rears its head. I believe you’re making converts in droves because these events keep occurring so frequently that clear thinking individuals are beginning to see reality and are looking for truth, telling individuals such as yourself to start listening to. Keep up the good work and God bless you
NB: voting "present' means not willing to vote yes or no, but want to prove they showed up to get paid, but remain non-committal for whatever political advantage they think that will confer.
This is also a favorite voting trick used by our state senator Monique Limon, when she knows an issue will offend local constituents, but she must not stray from her Democrat party handlers .
Slay hypocrisy. And be open to this same charge, when this can be responsibly applied to our beliefs as well. To be a more honest union; since we can never be a perfect union. We all have heavy lifting to do, in order to celebrate 250th years together as an exceptional nation. Humble in victory; generous in defeat.
I am really enjoying watching his Memorial service in Arizona today, 9/21, but I am dismayed by the "preferential seating " given to theoretical VIPs; none of them deserve better seating than other attendant. Granted, the President may deserve bulletproof glass, but it could have been established anywhere in the stadium.
JR: Easier to control for security if the are in a concentrated section - since one assumes high profile targets are the preferred choice for the armies of leftist chaos disrupters. Talk to those in the security business, to get an idea about the challenges of this job in this type of setting.
ELCE, Thank you for that. But I wonder about Trump’s comment, that Senators and members of The House were spread throughout the stadium? Were they, or unbeknownst to Trump, had they all been herded into that center area? Curious.
Mr. Caldwell, Charlie Kirk's murder was the horrendous, impassioned act of a 22 year-old, raised under "good" Christian values, in a Republican household, with plenty of guns around -- not that any of these had any effect on Tyler Robinson's motivation.
And although President Trump blamed CJK's murder on the "radical left" it appears Robinson's actual motivation emanated from Kirk's position on sexuality; particularly Kirk's statement that "Transsexuality is a throbbing middle finger to God," as it has since come to light that Robinson was apparently struggling with his sexuality.
Now, I can understand why you would like to elevate Charlie Kirk to the pantheon of assassinated public figures such as JFK, MLK, and RFK -- because it helps vilify the left -- but let us not forget that Kirk asked his listeners to bail out Paul Pelosi's hammer-wielding attacker, and also attempted to link the murders of Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband (and their dog) to Gov. Walz and other Democrats.
This is not only reprehensible partisan agitation but also NOT very Christian-like, at least not as I understand Christianity.
But let me reiterate: No one should be killed -- shot at a rally, machine-gunned at their jobs at the CDC or Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria or Sandy Hook kindergarten rooms, hung or beaten at the Capitol, bludgeoned in their home, exploded in their Federal or WTC office buildings, knelt-upon for over nine minutes, or otherwise -- for their political, sexual, or religious beliefs. And for that reason CJK's murder was wrong.
GROK: On the day of the shooting, Kirk posted on X (formerly Twitter) blaming Walz, claiming the perpetrator was appointed by him and implying Walz's policies or associations enabled the attack................
Kirk's post read: "The person who murdered Minnesota Rep. Melissa Hortman was appointed by none other than Tim Walz. Are you surprised?"
Always good to run claims against Charlie Kirk at least through GROK to get the fuller context:
Kirk's Statement: On October 31, 2022, during an episode of The Charlie Kirk Show titled "The Naked Smear of MAGA," Kirk condemned the attack as "awful" and "not right" but then questioned why DePape hadn't been released, contrasting it with what he described as lenient "cashless bail" policies for other crimes in cities like San Francisco and Chicago.
With a smirk, he called on listeners: "By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out... I bet his bail’s like thirty or forty thousand bucks. Bail him out and then go ask him some questions." This was amid Kirk promoting baseless conspiracy theories suggesting DePape and Paul Pelosi knew each other (e.g., as lovers), which authorities debunked.
Outcome: No one bailed out DePape, as he was denied bail due to the severity of the charges (including attempted kidnap
When those assassinations happens in the 60's the people and country were united and mourned the deaths of these 3 individuals.
Although I was born a little after the assassinations I remember seeing it on TV as a child and John John saluting his father. We all weeped with him and as a child it affected me deeply.
The country was still united and mourned his death every year.
I just don't know what has happened to our society for them to condone murder especially when it's only a man who is using his Constitutional right of Free Speech.
We need to all be Charlie Kirk and talk to people,don't hide anymore,call out these people for their hate.
Make them famous on the Internet as alot of people are doing.Many people are getting fired from their jobs for their statements made in support of the assination.
Another conservative based article filled with fallacies, projections and non-related tie ins to promote an agenda.
Is it a trait of conservative thinking to have a belief, then try and find any reason, any event whatsoever, regardless if it is tied, to try and bolster their opinion? Yes, opinion, not fact.
Let me dissect the absurd assumptions and tie ins that the author used. My purpose for this is to show that without these ludicrous statements, that not only does the argument fall apart, but it makes it even more trivial than it is at the surface level.
The author states that he was a child when JFK was shot. JFK was shot almost 62 years ago. Andy, how old are you? You proclaim to be a child then, yet somehow, you read the papers, had a pulse on society and knew that no one celebrated his, BKs, or MLKs death? This is 2025. There is this thing called the internet. Your whole premise for the whole article is that no one celebrated the murders then. Why not use the internet to read newspaper articles from that time? Why must you feel compelled to ignore knowledge that is easibly attainable? Is it because you have an OPINION that is hunting for a question?
Aww. Now we get into the people have lost their souls line. PFFT. Humans have killed humans since humans came into existence. Humans continued to kill humans after religion was invented and the concept of a soul was created. Prior to this, some had joy in the murders, some did not. Today, again, in 2025, nothing has changed.
And let's see, you proclaim that Kirk had a genius IQ. How comical. You had to put that in there to bolster the position that he was some sort of 'GOD' walking amongst us mere mortals. This, person, a high school graduate, one who was rejected at West Point, one who dropped out of community college after one semester, possessed a genius IQ. Glad I was not drinking anything when I read that line, it would have come out of my nose. Remove the genius IQ and you start breaking down who and what Kirk was. Doesn't pulling this out of your premise help destroy your whole 'OPINION?'
Charlie Kirk was not armed with facts, he was armed with opinions. The second you invoke god, you are not bringing in facts, you are bringing in opinion. Charlie Kirk was skilled at creating word salads that he memorized to overtake those who did not have enough knowledge to see that he was generally lying, using them for props, and taking advantage of their inability to be prepared.
Saying he was successful is also a matter of opinion. What was he successful in doing? These numbers are not verified because the source is Turning Point USA itself. It proclaims to have 650k lifetime members. This includes high school students and colleges, as well as those beyond that. But for very simple math, let's keep all the people in high school and college. There are approximately 35 million in 9-12 + college. Are you using the same math that Trump states where he has a mandate because so many people voted for him? Is this that new math that Bush, Jr. talked about? Last I checked, 1.8% of the age group is not a majority. It is basically a rounding error. But, hey, lets get into something that should align more with how you should be looking at this. About 2/3rd of high school students identify as Christian. But wait . . . here is where the conservatives get pissed off, college students, about 40 percent do not identify as non-religious. Isn't it amazing that once people get out from their parents that their mind can now experience other things? Things that their parents kept from them?
So if Kirk was so successful, why was it that he was only able to get 1.8% of the whole body aligned to him, when roughly 55% of the whole body was religious? That does not sound successful to me. He had the ability to shoot fish in a barrel and missed a LOT.
Now, I have stated this before and will state it again: killing him was wrong. I can understand, though, why some may feel joy in it. That is something that you are showing that you can not. There is a very strong similarity to those cheering his death to those that were for taking down Confederate statues. I feel you may be saying to yourself, this is absurd. I will make it so simple to understand. Imagine statues of Hitler, Himler, and the rest of the Nazi's in Germany and in Poland. Heck, let's rename Auschwitz to Hoss and put a statue in front of him in front of it. I mean, jeeze, it is just history, right? BTW, that was sarcasm if you don't get it. For a jew, or a person who was impacted by the actions of that man, that belief system, every time they have to go by that area, read about that area, they have to relive the trauma, unbury the memories of what happened. Did Kirk espouse, by no means as harsh as the Nazi's, but hatred towards a group? Here is your purported genius getting a twofer! "You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously." He was going after Black Women with that. Ironically, the black women he attacked with that comment were all college graduates, ALL OF THEM graduated from an Ivy League school. Perhaps he spewed that drivel because of his own inability to compete with those highly intelligent black women. To me, it would make sense that he would project his own inability to get in and blame it on someone who was smarter than him. So I can easily understand why people who have been oppressed in this country for hundreds of years can feel joy that a person who was spreading lies, had a platform much larger than a town square, was no longer spreading hate. This is a psychological relief for them, and that may be the issue that you are missing. Morally they may feel or even know it was wrong, but the psychological benefit of not having to deal with that spewing any more, may have overtaken the morality of his murder.
And here we go, you had to bring in religion even more. The same god that told us 'though shall not kill,' has a lot of demands for killing. Do you wish to explain the story of the great flood as anything but mass genocide? What about killing the first born sons in Eqypt? Oh wait, I am sorry, this author is coming from a conservative slant, the one that omits facts to support an opinion.
As a person whom you would feel comfortable calling, 'on the left.' Let me put my foot in my mouth and speak for the majority of people 'on the left.' NO ONE gives a crap if you want to believe in a sky daddy. NO ONE gives a crap when you say gay people are a sin. NO ONE gives a crap how you live your life. We care when you try to impose, by force, your beliefs onto others. We care when you try to impose your beliefs into laws. We care when you use your beliefs to justify genocides, murders, manipulation, suppression, etc. If you want to believe that Sky Daddy is listening to 8 billion people, cool. If you want to believe the Catholic Church didn't rape boys or sell salvation, that is something we will laugh at. But we will not waste much effort to try and convince you otherwise. As an example of this, I find it completely hilarious that Oklahoma and Texas have laws stating that Sharia law will not be allowed in government. Yet, they want to put Christain laws in government. That is what pisses the left and, in in my opinion, sane conservatives off.
Please, do not assume that Kirk talked to people. He ambushed people. You and I are conversing. That is much different than what he did.
Charlie Kirk is not a martyr. Charlie Kirk's life will not even resonate in the zeitgeist in 2 years. It will be propped up by conservatives during the midterms. After that, it will become what it truly is, irrelevant. Kirk was no JFK, no MLK.
DB, these articles should be considered option. Here is my opinion. Charlie Kirk was a great man and a genius. Have you nothing better to do than disparage the accomplishments and intellect of a great self taught man. My opinion is that you are not worthy to clean his toilet. Judge a man by his accomplishments. What are you accomplishing here other than showing the world that you are an ugly man on the inside and on the outside too.
Your opinion that he was a great man is that, an opinion. Qualifying him as a genius, well, that moves beyond opinion. He was not a genius.
What accomplishments did he do? He is no Gandhi. He is no JFK. He is no MLK. So, yes, I am going to bring up his lack of accomplishments when the author compares him to those that have actual accomplishments.
Aww. Sorry that you got butt hurt. Perhaps, the reason you are butt hurt is that I am exposing your opinion to be based on BS. If he were this great person, would it be so easy to point all of this out?
And if you feel he is so great, that everything that spewed out of his mouth was golden, then it shows the world how UGLY of a person you are. You condone his racist and misogynistic comments. Something a son's mother should not be proud of.
That these articles should be considered opinion means that you should consider that these are opinion pieces. I don't know how to put it more simply. What accomplishments did he do? Nice writing. You must mean what were his accomplishments? Three best selling books, one of the most popular podcasts in the world, founded TPUSA with 250,000 members before his assassination, many more now, instrumental in turning the youth vote in favor of Trump, displayed an encyclopedic knowledge of history, economics and the bible all self-taught by the age of 30. In my opinion Charlie was destined to become president. It is quite fair to compare Kirk to Gandhi, JFK and MLK. Finally I am unaware of anything that Kirk said that was either racist or misogynistic.
You wrote option, that is why I was asking. I am well aware that the pieces posted here are opinion pieces. However, when the piece goes from opinion to proclaiming it factual, then the piece is game for correction.
His accomplishments were what? Three books. For that he is Gandhi, JFK or MLK? A popular podcast, so now Howard Stern is comparable to Gandhi, JFK, and MLK? Howard Stern also has three books published. Founded a group. WOW, that is really hard. I didn't know that it took a high level of skill to do that. The number of members, how he got the members, looking at the 990s, that was not him. The IRS tax forms show the truth, well, unless you are telling me that they lied on the 990s. Turned the youth to vote for Trump? Uhh, again, here you go spewing things that sound factual, but it is NOT. The youth turnout, those 18 to 22 in 2020 had ~47% turnout and in 2024, that was 41%. Biden had a +25 for that range and Harris had a plus 4. His knowledge of history, pfft. His knowledge of economics, pfft. His knowledge of the bible, pfft. Again, he never used this purported knowledge against anyone of consequence. He was a predator, preying on the weak. Please, show me him debating someone with some knowledge. How about an econ professor, even at City College level? How about a religious studies professor from any college? How about a debate with Meechan? He knows history well. Kirk controlled the filming, Kirk controlled the editing. He saw what he wanted you to see. You know, just like how Fox Newx operates. They control the filming, the editing and the presentation.
Here are some Kirk quotes for you:
"You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously." That was to a black woman.
"It's time to ban third world immigration, legal or illegal. We've reached our limit and we have a huge cultural, educational, housing, financial, and essential services problem to fix now because of it. We need a net-zero immigration moratorium with a ban on all third worlders."
“Clarence Thomas was a far better black role model to celebrate than Martin Luther King. Period. End of story. This guy is not worthy of a national holiday.”
“MLK was awful. … We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s”
“She should have more children than she has houses. That is my challenge, Taylor Swift, and I’m not being sarcastic. I think that if she ends up having children, she’ll stop this kind of liberal, endorsing Joe Biden nonsense.” Kirk also said, “Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.”
“Birth control makes women angry and bitter,” and “We basically told a great generation of young women ‘don’t get married, don’t have kids, go get a corporate job,’ and it’s created mass political hysteria. And then in their early 30s they get really upset because the boys don’t want to date me anymore, because they’re not at their prime.”
“white college indoctrinated women will ruin America” due to their “hyper narcissistic, hyper selfish”
The interesting thing is that you know little about what he espoused, yet feel confident he would be president. What does that say about you and how you look at candidates?
DB: Even your truncated version of his comments still sound in reasonableness, and even bravery as opinions that needed to be said and put into the realm of current discussion.
Got anything else? Not that it matters, since hate appears to be embedded your heart when it comes to this person, which also seems essential to your own personal make-up. We hear you. Aloha.
Again, always good to get your opinions and the open window to your own soul. Free speech is the exchange of opinions. Bring them on. You do represent a lot of people. So your concerns must continue to be heard.
Why do conservatives state that if you dislike someone's opinions or words that you hate that person? That makes no sense to me at all.
If you like everything that one person says, then that, to me is very scary. That is being in a cult.
I did not hate Charlie Kirk. I never met the person. I did not like the business he was in. He was in the business of peddling anti anything but a white male. I respect my mother and would never ever treat her like he wanted women treated. His vision of society was white male at the top of the totem pole and then every subservient to that white male. That is what he expressed. That is disrespectful.
He proclaimed American exceptionalism. Ok, what does that even mean? What are we exceptional about? What have we done to better the world? The list is very very very very very very short. And when you start to learn what is on that list, then realize it was created due to war related issues, then you start to wonder what the priority of our country is. So that you are not confused trying to figure this out, here are two: GPS and the Internet. Both were military projects. And wait . . . never let this get past you. These were funded in UNIVERSITIES as research grants. You know, the things that Trump wants to end.
He also promoted nationalism to the point of exclusion. I am against that. I can understand nationalism where you work to protect the citizens. However, borders are a man made concept. Nature does not understand those borders. We, all inhabitants on this spinning rock in this solar system are impacted by what other inhabitants do. Thus, being exclusively nationalistic is just stupid. That is what North Korea has tried to become. Nature gives us disease, gives us weather, and gives us resources. These impact every inhabitant. Thus, we need our country to work with, not against, the rest of the world.
Free speech is the ability to say what you feel. There may be consequences for that speech. Nothing that I have written should have any consequences. A chunk of Kirk's speeches did have consequence-level statements. Personally, I felt he was naive, immature, and lacked wisdom on the topics he espoused. And, because he could toss out word salads, the gullible fell for it.
I have no problem with a strong family setting. I think that is wonderful for all involved. This coming from a person who is an only child with an only parent, a former latch key kid. I was so adamant that when I had a child, that I would not have a latch key kid. I was able to pull it off. But I also realize that economically, that is not feasible for the masses, and has gotten even harder to do as time marches on. Why? ECONOMICS.
As the people who seem to rant in this substack all seem to be in their 70s, which I am not, I am much younger than that, I remember costs. I remember my mother buying a 3 year old car when she was 30. That car was 1/3rd of her annual salary. She did not make a lot of money, but she was not on min wage. Now, can a 30 year old buy a 3 year old car, not a beater, for 1/3rd of their annual salary? Not really. A house could be bought where the PITI payment, putting 20% down, was 25% of a persons salary. Now, it takes two people and will approach 55% of their salary. I have friends who have young kids and you learn how much day care is. It is a huge financial burden.
Wage inequality is a huge issue. Let me throw this out there for you think about, you know, to support my point. In 1970 the average annual salary in the US was 9400. To be in the top 10% of salaries, you earned 12,000. In essence, to be average, you were 5/6th of the line to be in the top 10%. Today, the average is about 63k. To be in the top 10%, you have to be at 150k. That works out to about 40%, or using the same, as above, about 2.5/6th. That spread keeps getting wider and wider. This is stuff that Kirk never talked about.
If you were to ask adults, how many children they want, you are now hearing none or one. But, if you were to state, "Public childcare starts at 1, public education is covered for life, and healthcare is part of your taxes," you might start hearing 2, 3, or 4 kids. Then the only concern is housing. When I had my child, even with the best healthcare plan, the cost was over 5k for that childbirth. I talked to a woman who recently had a kid, did not have cadillac level plan, but close to it, the cost was over 12k.
The healthcare system in America is a means to extort wealth from people and pass that wealth to shareholders, all the while, they are nothing more than Sarah Palin's infamous death panels. Now replace healthcare with education and support for children, and it is basically the same. It is extorting wealth and people are making decisions against having children for that reason.
You stated your dislike for unions. I want more. I want the companies, the country to fear the individual citizen. Instead of the citizen having no power, the citizen should have some power.
Here is some food for thought for you. Do you know that there are no Walmarts in France? Why? Because France saw the destruction that Walmart has done to communities. Heck, Santa Barbara saw it as well and thus the fight for no big box stores. These stores destroy local jobs. France was afraid of the revolt from the citizens losing their jobs to become low wage greeters at Walmart. But the US is proud of destroying local businesses under the guise of capitalism. When all it does is create new welfare recipients.
Your second sentence, uhh, ok. I responded to an article. Have I thought about this before? Of course. Conservatives have the same modus operandi. Responding to them, well, like I mentioned about Kirk, it is like shooting fish in a barrel. I just do not miss like he does.
Keep your !@#$% religion out of the public schools. I had this argument in 10th grade when I was forced to read the book of Job. It was a method to try and force religion into the school. I got a resolution in that the school, and this was a PUBLIC school, had to classify the story as FICTION and to treat it as such. High schools do not have religious studies as a class, but I stated, I would have no problem if religions were talked about throughout history. I also have no problem with church schools. Church schools can do as they please.
Yes. He can veto or sign anything. Then let's just say Cali Dems are forcing laws on the entire state that I don't agree with either,but I vote to disent.
Gender studies is not in high school. It is an elective class in colleges.
But, again, it has also been in colleges for hundreds of years.
You are so hell bent on constantly trying to define people not by what they say, but trying to force them into a definition that you perceive to be true. Get over the blue and red crap. Life is much easier when you just listen to the words out of a persons mouth without being biased based on the color of their uniform.
You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
What pisses the left off is that they hate Christians. That's it. Charlie didn't ambush people he spoke with them. The left doesn't have the civility anymore to do that and talk in a civilized manner,respect differences and opinions and treat all men and women of this nation equally.
Did you not do well in math? 2/3rd of the country claims to be Christian. Not 2/3rd is on the right, nor the left. So you are arguing that Christians hate Christians.
Let me help you with some English:
One means One
Some means Some
All means All.
One does not mean All.
Some does not mean All.
Some on the left hate Christians. I would tend to state most on the left are indifferent about Christians. I would say a LOT on the left do not want Christians to push their beliefs on others and then try and legislate it.
I feel sorrow for those that follow fiction and treat it as truthful.
I fear for my country. Religion has shown to stunt the progress of countries. If we want to maintain being number 1, we need to not be so hell bent on repressing and moving backwards to pre 1950s.
Ok, so let me see, you are against the CRA of 1964. You are pro-discrimination.
Gay marriage spun out of the CRA. Personally, I am against it. I do not feel that the government should be in the marriage business. Marriage has gone towards a 'religious' slant. I think the government should be in the civil union business, that will allow them to establish equal rights (tax, debt, assets, etc.) This way if some religious zealot thinks it is the worse thing ever, then the church can decide to not allow it.
Transgender rights, what the hell are those? Are they any different than the rights that non-transgender's have? I bet when you look into it, you will realize that they are not specifically transgender rights at all. And speaking of that, why is it that you are pissed that males compete as females, but not females competing as males? Sounds like you lack principle here. At the end of the day, wrestling has solved the problem, other sports can do the same. And to add insult to injury, the number of these 'males playing as females' is TINY. IIRC, it is less than 1/100th of 1 percent.
Who the hell is fining someone for saying the wrong pronoun? That is the one of the most ignorant statements. Show me what state, what federal law imposes that.
But here is what is funny about the pronoun thing. Let's assume that your first name is George. I decide to address you as Steve. You say, "No, my name is George." How would I handle that? I would start to call you George. We ALREADY call people by their preferred name. What is so hard about this?
But how do two men getting married “take away your rights and beliefs”?
Pronouns—who’s getting fired?! And if I assume from your name you’re a man and say “he” and you correct me and say “actually, G stands for Georgia and I’m female”, I’d refer to you as “she” and move on.
How does any of this actually impact your own personal day to day rights?
Huh? I asked clarifying questions since you asserted that ALL YOUR rights and beliefs have been taken away, and I was wondering how they have been taken away from you personally? And instead of explaining or engaging in productive discussion, you ignore the actual question and instead attack. I’m sorry it’s not “obvious” to me how your rights and beliefs have been taken from you.
Absurdity is that you believe college is only for geniuses and or makes geniuses.
One is born as a genius and just because you don't go to college doesn't make one not a genius. Can a person not be homeschooled and or learn by themselves ? Many geniuses have.You also don't need a college or a professor for that. Colleges are just a breeding ground for indoctrination.
This is probably something you are incapable of believing. Choose a period of time, then show me a genius who was not at a college or some form of a higher education facility. I will not hold my breath awaiting your response.
KIRK WAS REJECTED. Geniuses do not get rejection letters.
While I agree with most of your comments, there are geniuses who never went to colleges (or even high school) and there are smart fools who have a long list of college degrees. And sometimes, geniuses do get rejection letters (after all, Einstein couldn't get a university job after he graduated, he had to work in the patent office). I don't know if Kirk was all that smart or not. He certainly was cleaver enough, and committed enough to carve out a profitable niche for himself while promoting his beliefs. I read an article recently about how people who like him generally focus on what they consider the uplifting and positive things he said and have not read the various hateful comments he spewed, with the reverse true for those who disliked him.
Of course, throughout history there have been some geniuses who never went to college. But let's move that timeframe to the last 50 years. Can you name one? I can not. Let's move it into his trame frame. He graduated HS in 2011(?) The path for him was simple . . . do well in high school, get great SAT scores, apply to college(s), go to college. There was no movement in 2011 to bypass college.
Equating him to Einstein is an insult to Einstein. Equating him to Isaac Newton is an insult to Newton. Equating him to Oppenheimer . . . He was not a genius.
IMO, he was a pawn. He was charsimatic enough, good looking enough, to be on camera for someone to use him for an agenda. For all I know it is the same group that is putting up the Jesus/God billboards. It could be the Heritage Foundation, it could be . . . It is a shame that the 990s do not show the top donors :(
This is why I am not sure that it was his beliefs. He more than likely had some beliefs, but they may have been morphed into what they were by people funding him. I am not sure of this at all.
In regard to his uplifting messages, uhh, ok. Self help as a business has been around for a very long time :)
I'm not supporting the guy, or equating him to Einstein, just pointing out that certified geniuses sometimes early on do get rejected. I do think he had strong beliefs (and may well have been a pawn at the same time), the problem is the beliefs. I'm sure that Hitler had strong beliefs, too. The comment about uplifting messages, note that I qualified it by saying this was the opinion of those who followed him...
Indeed. I have a secret delight in thinking of the college graduates who used AI to write their essays only to discover that their entry level jobs are now being done by AI... I've always thought that the trades are essential. I doubt we'll see an AI plumber or electrician anytime soon.
I wasn't speaking in particular about your kids, rather about those graduating today. AI is used by engineers, too. But if your kids didn't go to college, they're not engineers as such, other than through practice (graduating engineers are pretty wet behind the ears at first).
Reality? I am confident that you feel that your reality is correct. I would argue that is perception, not reality. Reality is much different.
Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch are masters of propaganda. I would not put them at the top, I would put the authors of religion at the top.
Kimmel was not fired. Kimmel was put on a haitus. Why? Because of only one thing: Money. In your perception it was a rightous decision, but the reality is that Disney is scared of the mood of the president and his minions doing illegal things to harm Disney. Disney's CEO has a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders. If he does not take an action to protect their money, then Disney is sued. Thus, Disney did not take a principled response, but a fiduciary response.
Free speech is free speech. It is not free of consequences for the speech. I fully respect the ACLU. Why? Because they are driven by principles, not beliefs. If you believe in free speech, you should believe all speech is free. When the ACLU represented the Illinois Nazis so that they could spew their hatred, that showed to me that they were driven by principles. They do not have to agree with the speech, but they feel that everyone should have the right.
In regards to Disney though, welcome to the real world. Employers can easily put in morals clauses as well as other clauses in the employment contract. That can supress speech. The employee is not obligated to sign the contract, thus they can make a principled stand. The employer has the right, even though I do not like it, to control the speech of its employees.
A peaceful conversation is ambush. The left has burned Tesla dealerships because they don't like someone eliminating government waste,Burn down cities during BLM protests,blocked Jewish students from entering Colleges during the Summer with the College sit inside.
To make a few
The left is not the victim,they are the cause of this hatred.
Ok, so you have a lot of hatred in your heart and lack empathy.
Kirk ambushed students. It is that simple. Where are the debates that this purported genius had with educated people on the subject? Heck, you could call Kirk a predator just based on the FACT that he never debated anyone with deep knowledge on the subject.
First off, Tesla does not have dealerships. I know, understanding words and what they mean is not a conservative trait. Tesla has showrooms. Now, how do you know it was the left that did this? Oh . . .wait . . . you do not. You are just in assumption mode. The only thing that is known is the amount of Tesla's burned down at their showrooms across the globe. I bet you can't tell me the number. Here is your hint: Worldwide it is less than 100. Now, I am not justifying it by any means. Considering that Tesla sold almost 1.8 million cars last year, that number is tiny. All we know is that some people, NOT KNOWING THEIR REASON FOR ALL. As an example, Daniel Clarke, the kid who was arrested for this, wrote, "Fuck Trump, long live Ukraine." Does that mean he is left or right? A LOT on the right have supported Ukraine. So again, one is one, some are some, all is all.
Get over the BLM crap. I can go back through history and paint a LOT more violence from conservatives than anything that happened during BLM. The KKK ring a bell?
Conservatives tend to be judgmental, pious fools. Hell bent on controlling how others live their lives.
When Kirk stated, "You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously." That is pushing hate. That is pushing sexism and racism. That is pushing divisiveness.
If Kirk states (this is fictional!), "I believe that God created the Earth for man to inhabit." Uhh, ok. That is not hatred, that is a belief that I would disagree with.
There is that distinction. Can you see the difference? Can you state that Kirk made hateful comments?
Again . . . you ignored the point to harp on something else.
LESS THAN 100 !@#$% Tesla's were burned WORLDWIDE out of ~1.8mm. This has you in an uproar? I stepped on an ant pile and killed 30 ants, does that get you irritated as well? There are crazy people in the world. There always will be. They will always do crazy things. You can't stop it.
Charlie Kirk did more than just sit down. He made a career of creating chaos and clickbait material. He had full editorial control. He preyed on the youth and ignored debating subject matter experts. Ask yourself why he did that. That should prove right there that he was not genius, or a subject matter expert or anything of consequence. He is just a pawn being used by others to promote their agenda.
Great article Andy. I too remember vividly, the assassination of JFK back in 63’. Like you, I too was let out of class early on that fateful November day while attending Arthur Hapgood Elementary. Seems like a lifetime ago, maybe because it was.
I find myself agreeing with you that the Left has become an “evil ideology.” My parents, long gone now and true blue Democrats, would never recognize their own party.
Today, we bid farewell to our friend and brother, Charlie. Millions are celebrating his young life and expressing their love for him.
Why then has the MSM continue to hide and conceal the “evil ideology” that took Charlie away from us? Why did Jimmy Kimmel lie to us on national television about the motivation of this evil?
There has now been overwhelming evidence that those that identify as “Transgender”are becoming more brazen and violent, having been involved in multiple attacks. So much so, that some in the media are now referring to this movement as “Transtifa.” Why is this, does the massive amount of hormonal replacement therapy that Trans receive as part of their “transition therapy” play a role in violent behavior as a horrible side effect? Regardless, there must be a full and transparent investigation into the motives, funding and actions of this evil, sick and vile ideology.
Those on the Left, that have rejoiced in this act, are now reminding us how sick and twisted they have become. The recent articles by Jerry Roberts and “Newsfakers” denying culpability by the Left and doubling down on their hate is truly disgusting.
May God help us all.
Megyn Kelly said it better than I can:
“We don't trust you. One of yours killed Charlie and then you laughed at our pain, protested our vigils & said Charlie was to blame and in hell. You lied about the killer’s motives & said he was MAGA when you knew he wasn’t. You put us all in danger by not admitting the truth and then not relenting on the lies you tell about us. You cried endless tears for Jimmy Kimmel but none for Charlie.
You gleefully cancelled all of us for five+ years and danced when we suffered. You censored us & ruined careers of distinguished doctors & others who dared to say the truth during Covid and George Floyd. You cost our children years of learning during lockdowns and endangered them with deadly myocarditis by burying the risk disclosures and never apologized or owned it.
Your govt tried to strong arm Fox into firing Tucker bc of his J6 coverage and you said not a peep about the first amendment.
You changed Title IX with the stroke of a pen, without consent, and endangered and hurt our defenseless daughters. You sterilized and cut off the healthy body parts of children & want to keep doing it.
You lied about a near-vegetative president being fine with the nuclear codes.
You (personally) had Doug Emhoff on as the scandal of his alleged woman abuse and cheating broke and you didn’t ask him ONE Q about it, then tried to tell us you care about women.
You opened the border and let in ten+ million illegals who killed Laken Riley and 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungaray after they sexually assaulted her and threw her off a bridge, along with the countless other innocents they rape, murder and molest to this day.
So no, we don’t care what you say about Tom Homan.
We do not trust you.
We only care about defeating you.”
Megyn Kelly so beautifully goes on the offensive. She does not waste single breath when Democrats try to put us on the defensive. She gets an A in both style and content. May she be in inspiration to us all, when Democrats ramp up their vicious campaigns against us again.
Self-defense is not fighting. It’s survival.
China and Russia must be so happy. We're sitting around hating each other, driven to a new degree by social media gone wild, while they are getting ready (esp China) to continue eating our lunch and start on our dinner.
I hope, with all my heart that this movement that is growing remains true to Charlie Kirk’s intentions. My fears are that this energy will, instead be capitalized upon by folks not so pure in intentions but see this as a force to be captured and politicized. And used for further divisiveness and confrontational chaos. Not to mention a really amazing financial bonanza for some. The group is vulnerable to controlled opposition leaders and members. And my hope is that it self-reflects, often. And vets incoming personnel equally as often. As humans we always seem to turn such moments into a mess vs what it could be. When money and political power come together, there always seems to be corruption. Guard yourselves. Stay true to his intentions.
Hello Forest, you made these comments in a recent post>"It is our responsibility to remind our political folks who WE are and what their duties are….and are not. It is our responsibility to make sure they follow our constitutional laws and intentions. If we abrogate that responsibility to ANYONE, we lose our freedoms."
You may want to look at this from Hannity on Charlie Kirk>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCD1qPldA6Q
Structured chaos - the Democrat party agenda.
Andrew Breitbart got this and did his best to educate the rest of us about Democrat means, methods and motivations. Before Andrew Brietbart's own very untimely death as well.
Haters are going to hate. Charlie Kirk was not one of the haters. He was special that way.
There is a fine line between being a hater and expressing deeply negative views and hostility toward many groups as he did. He seemed to be an expert at riding that line - and proved himself a king of social media with that talent.
Charlie Kirk had no trace of hate in his soul. If you knew him, you would know this. You did not know Charlie Kirk.
I didn't know him. I've just spent a few hours listening to some of his debates. And that's my take. I guess if you're a nice white christian he loved you. If you fell out of that... not so much.
Oh please
It's hate to you because you don't like what you hear. That's not hate.
On Turning the Intellectual Ship
With the assassination of the great Charlie Kirk, it seems something must be done to stop the intentional and insane indoctrination of our young people by schools.
We must have a purge of all the radical Marxists in the schools.
Professors teaching DEI and class hatred, and the whole spectrum of Marxist disorders are turning normal kids into stone cold killers.
A purge is the only effective, quick and intelligent solution. Any profs that were pushing this on students must be removed. Any found to be continuing the teaching of these subjects must be stopped, by firing and removal from any public schools
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In Mao’s time they were all sent to camps or worse. Today firing them from all government schools would be a good start. They are as bad or worse than child molesting teachers,
Also we can hope for withdrawal of all government funding from any private school that keeps its communist professors and teachings.
And somehow that doesn’t seem enough.. The government, our government can and must go further and simply outlaw the teachings, same as if a college was teaching NAZI or devil worship as a study course, that would be flat out banned.
And so we can ban Marxist/DEI/anti America hate curriculum at any school. Would Congress vote against this? Democrats would .. and they would have to justify teachings that are in essence CIA level mind propaganda… that results in young people going berserk and killing leaders they don’t like.
Congress must act. To flat out ban the teachings, remove those that were closely involved with the process, and remove any who refuse to desist. Admins, profs, anybody who pushes these studies must go. These colleges ARE the hate speech centers.
Drive them underground. They cannot keep up with this teaching of insanity .. Turning out rude little killers like they are doing now.. and thinking it’s funny, and pretending they’re not pleased with the results.
The results are just what these Marxist professors are expecting. They smirk and wink as they convert normal kids under their control and attention.. into psychopathic assassins. Kids that we entrust to them to be ‘educated.’
Education needs a purge. A bloodless calculated mass removal of a tumor before it’s too late to save the patient.
Our government has a duty to clean house.
Let us rally Congress to put something on the books and make it permanent. In our schools where our naive young people go to learn about the world, we cannot allow the Marxists to run wild polluting and infecting the minds of our young people.
Ban DEI.
Ban race based anything.
Ban Marxist/CIA level brainwashing.
T Cole
Things are only going to get worse.
The teachers unions response to declining K-12 school enrollments - losing one million students in just the past year in California - is to keep all of the teacher union members hired to now teach Pre-K education.
This means the same teachers union members will snatch children's little minds away from their parents, and start the indoctrination at age 3 instead of age 5. But meanwhile the number of teachers union dues-paying members does not miss one dollar.
Figures
Thank Andy for your fabulous words.
Erik’s legacy is HUGE and will live on with many, especially our youth, through Turning Point with his beautiful wife, Erika at the helm. Today’s rally at State Farm Stadium is sure to move the needle in America big time. Most recent numbers indicate that 65,000 new college and high school campus youth have reached out to TP over the last two weeks on how they can join as chapters of TP and swell that on campus presence beyond its current 2,100 or so.
God bless this nation, Charlie Kirk and the legacy he left whose torch no doubt will burn so much brighter in days ahead. I just pray now that people of all walks will listen and open their hearts.
We need to remind ourselves we live in California, where the ideological rot runs so deep in our one-party state and our one-party community, we will miss the ideological transformation that is now gripping much of the rest of America.
We do need tin-foil hats, to ward off the crazy vibes we are constantly subject to in this state. However, united we stand, and there may come surprises from this state after all. The California bear has been poked, and waking from its slumber.
Skin color was not important to Charlie. Anything else?
From a conversation on X:
“You mean there are people on the right more extreme than Charlie Kirk?”
“Most of us…they killed the nice guy”
I think this is the reason we are seeing so many leftists try to immediately push back against Charlie Kirk and his movement. They can only see the world thru their own perspective and what they did to rightists and conservatives when the shoe was on the other foot. They remember what they did after the death of George Floyd and think they know what is coming.
They are wrong.
For what it’s worth, I think the left leaning folks just don’t understand who Kirk was and what he represented. They can not conceive of what the conservative response will be to this because they lack all frames of reference.
IMO, the response will be overwhelming, but nothing like the rage and rioting the left did. It will be deeper and longer lasting. More like the response to MLK, Ghandi, and of course, Jesus.
The Romans had no frame of reference to understand how to respond to Jesus and the early Christians. Their only frame of reference was enemy combatants and the politics of power, which served them quite well up to that point. They weren’t evil, they just never saw it coming. The overwhelming response.
It will be a new resolve based on reason and human connection. Like what Kirk started. This is a turning point, the political and social landscape will be unrecognizable a year from now.
RIP Charlie, we’ll take it from here ❤️
Exactly. Because the Biblical truths he's so spoke are against a lefts beliefs.
From X. Amazing.
The first part in quotes is from X
The rest is my take on it
Thank you 🙏
Also true Andy. Keep at them and keep pointing out the corruption at all levels. This insidious ideology has infected government, and it must be pointed out each and every time it rears its head. I believe you’re making converts in droves because these events keep occurring so frequently that clear thinking individuals are beginning to see reality and are looking for truth, telling individuals such as yourself to start listening to. Keep up the good work and God bless you
For the record:
Roll Call 282 | Bill Number: H. Res. 719
SEP 19, 2025, 10:53 AM | 119TH CONGRESS, 1ST SESSION
Vote Question: On Agreeing to the Resolution
Honoring the life and legacy of Charles “Charlie” James Kirk
REPRESENTATIVE PARTY STATE VOTE
Carbajal Democratic California PRESENT
NB: voting "present' means not willing to vote yes or no, but want to prove they showed up to get paid, but remain non-committal for whatever political advantage they think that will confer.
This is also a favorite voting trick used by our state senator Monique Limon, when she knows an issue will offend local constituents, but she must not stray from her Democrat party handlers .
Classic coward....he does not need to vote...we all know who and what he is.
Slay hypocrisy. And be open to this same charge, when this can be responsibly applied to our beliefs as well. To be a more honest union; since we can never be a perfect union. We all have heavy lifting to do, in order to celebrate 250th years together as an exceptional nation. Humble in victory; generous in defeat.
I am really enjoying watching his Memorial service in Arizona today, 9/21, but I am dismayed by the "preferential seating " given to theoretical VIPs; none of them deserve better seating than other attendant. Granted, the President may deserve bulletproof glass, but it could have been established anywhere in the stadium.
JR: Easier to control for security if the are in a concentrated section - since one assumes high profile targets are the preferred choice for the armies of leftist chaos disrupters. Talk to those in the security business, to get an idea about the challenges of this job in this type of setting.
ELCE, Thank you for that. But I wonder about Trump’s comment, that Senators and members of The House were spread throughout the stadium? Were they, or unbeknownst to Trump, had they all been herded into that center area? Curious.
I doubt if you are really curious. So when you are ready to talk about your real agenda, we can then discuss - class warfare or something.
Mr. Caldwell, Charlie Kirk's murder was the horrendous, impassioned act of a 22 year-old, raised under "good" Christian values, in a Republican household, with plenty of guns around -- not that any of these had any effect on Tyler Robinson's motivation.
And although President Trump blamed CJK's murder on the "radical left" it appears Robinson's actual motivation emanated from Kirk's position on sexuality; particularly Kirk's statement that "Transsexuality is a throbbing middle finger to God," as it has since come to light that Robinson was apparently struggling with his sexuality.
Now, I can understand why you would like to elevate Charlie Kirk to the pantheon of assassinated public figures such as JFK, MLK, and RFK -- because it helps vilify the left -- but let us not forget that Kirk asked his listeners to bail out Paul Pelosi's hammer-wielding attacker, and also attempted to link the murders of Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband (and their dog) to Gov. Walz and other Democrats.
This is not only reprehensible partisan agitation but also NOT very Christian-like, at least not as I understand Christianity.
But let me reiterate: No one should be killed -- shot at a rally, machine-gunned at their jobs at the CDC or Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria or Sandy Hook kindergarten rooms, hung or beaten at the Capitol, bludgeoned in their home, exploded in their Federal or WTC office buildings, knelt-upon for over nine minutes, or otherwise -- for their political, sexual, or religious beliefs. And for that reason CJK's murder was wrong.
GROK: On the day of the shooting, Kirk posted on X (formerly Twitter) blaming Walz, claiming the perpetrator was appointed by him and implying Walz's policies or associations enabled the attack................
Kirk's post read: "The person who murdered Minnesota Rep. Melissa Hortman was appointed by none other than Tim Walz. Are you surprised?"
Details About Tyler Robinson
Background
Age: 22 years old
Charges: Aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm, obstruction of justice, and witness tampering.
Surrender: Robinson turned himself in under "gentle" conditions with the help of his father and a friend.
Alleged Motive
Robinson reportedly expressed that he had "enough of [Kirk's] hatred" and accused him of spreading hate.
He had become more politically left-leaning and pro-LGBTQ+ in the year leading up to the shooting.
Messages between Robinson and his roommate indicated he had planned the attack for over a week.
Always good to run claims against Charlie Kirk at least through GROK to get the fuller context:
Kirk's Statement: On October 31, 2022, during an episode of The Charlie Kirk Show titled "The Naked Smear of MAGA," Kirk condemned the attack as "awful" and "not right" but then questioned why DePape hadn't been released, contrasting it with what he described as lenient "cashless bail" policies for other crimes in cities like San Francisco and Chicago.
With a smirk, he called on listeners: "By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out... I bet his bail’s like thirty or forty thousand bucks. Bail him out and then go ask him some questions." This was amid Kirk promoting baseless conspiracy theories suggesting DePape and Paul Pelosi knew each other (e.g., as lovers), which authorities debunked.
Outcome: No one bailed out DePape, as he was denied bail due to the severity of the charges (including attempted kidnap
Thank you Andy
When those assassinations happens in the 60's the people and country were united and mourned the deaths of these 3 individuals.
Although I was born a little after the assassinations I remember seeing it on TV as a child and John John saluting his father. We all weeped with him and as a child it affected me deeply.
The country was still united and mourned his death every year.
I just don't know what has happened to our society for them to condone murder especially when it's only a man who is using his Constitutional right of Free Speech.
We need to all be Charlie Kirk and talk to people,don't hide anymore,call out these people for their hate.
Make them famous on the Internet as alot of people are doing.Many people are getting fired from their jobs for their statements made in support of the assination.
Another conservative based article filled with fallacies, projections and non-related tie ins to promote an agenda.
Is it a trait of conservative thinking to have a belief, then try and find any reason, any event whatsoever, regardless if it is tied, to try and bolster their opinion? Yes, opinion, not fact.
Let me dissect the absurd assumptions and tie ins that the author used. My purpose for this is to show that without these ludicrous statements, that not only does the argument fall apart, but it makes it even more trivial than it is at the surface level.
The author states that he was a child when JFK was shot. JFK was shot almost 62 years ago. Andy, how old are you? You proclaim to be a child then, yet somehow, you read the papers, had a pulse on society and knew that no one celebrated his, BKs, or MLKs death? This is 2025. There is this thing called the internet. Your whole premise for the whole article is that no one celebrated the murders then. Why not use the internet to read newspaper articles from that time? Why must you feel compelled to ignore knowledge that is easibly attainable? Is it because you have an OPINION that is hunting for a question?
Aww. Now we get into the people have lost their souls line. PFFT. Humans have killed humans since humans came into existence. Humans continued to kill humans after religion was invented and the concept of a soul was created. Prior to this, some had joy in the murders, some did not. Today, again, in 2025, nothing has changed.
And let's see, you proclaim that Kirk had a genius IQ. How comical. You had to put that in there to bolster the position that he was some sort of 'GOD' walking amongst us mere mortals. This, person, a high school graduate, one who was rejected at West Point, one who dropped out of community college after one semester, possessed a genius IQ. Glad I was not drinking anything when I read that line, it would have come out of my nose. Remove the genius IQ and you start breaking down who and what Kirk was. Doesn't pulling this out of your premise help destroy your whole 'OPINION?'
Charlie Kirk was not armed with facts, he was armed with opinions. The second you invoke god, you are not bringing in facts, you are bringing in opinion. Charlie Kirk was skilled at creating word salads that he memorized to overtake those who did not have enough knowledge to see that he was generally lying, using them for props, and taking advantage of their inability to be prepared.
Saying he was successful is also a matter of opinion. What was he successful in doing? These numbers are not verified because the source is Turning Point USA itself. It proclaims to have 650k lifetime members. This includes high school students and colleges, as well as those beyond that. But for very simple math, let's keep all the people in high school and college. There are approximately 35 million in 9-12 + college. Are you using the same math that Trump states where he has a mandate because so many people voted for him? Is this that new math that Bush, Jr. talked about? Last I checked, 1.8% of the age group is not a majority. It is basically a rounding error. But, hey, lets get into something that should align more with how you should be looking at this. About 2/3rd of high school students identify as Christian. But wait . . . here is where the conservatives get pissed off, college students, about 40 percent do not identify as non-religious. Isn't it amazing that once people get out from their parents that their mind can now experience other things? Things that their parents kept from them?
So if Kirk was so successful, why was it that he was only able to get 1.8% of the whole body aligned to him, when roughly 55% of the whole body was religious? That does not sound successful to me. He had the ability to shoot fish in a barrel and missed a LOT.
Now, I have stated this before and will state it again: killing him was wrong. I can understand, though, why some may feel joy in it. That is something that you are showing that you can not. There is a very strong similarity to those cheering his death to those that were for taking down Confederate statues. I feel you may be saying to yourself, this is absurd. I will make it so simple to understand. Imagine statues of Hitler, Himler, and the rest of the Nazi's in Germany and in Poland. Heck, let's rename Auschwitz to Hoss and put a statue in front of him in front of it. I mean, jeeze, it is just history, right? BTW, that was sarcasm if you don't get it. For a jew, or a person who was impacted by the actions of that man, that belief system, every time they have to go by that area, read about that area, they have to relive the trauma, unbury the memories of what happened. Did Kirk espouse, by no means as harsh as the Nazi's, but hatred towards a group? Here is your purported genius getting a twofer! "You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously." He was going after Black Women with that. Ironically, the black women he attacked with that comment were all college graduates, ALL OF THEM graduated from an Ivy League school. Perhaps he spewed that drivel because of his own inability to compete with those highly intelligent black women. To me, it would make sense that he would project his own inability to get in and blame it on someone who was smarter than him. So I can easily understand why people who have been oppressed in this country for hundreds of years can feel joy that a person who was spreading lies, had a platform much larger than a town square, was no longer spreading hate. This is a psychological relief for them, and that may be the issue that you are missing. Morally they may feel or even know it was wrong, but the psychological benefit of not having to deal with that spewing any more, may have overtaken the morality of his murder.
And here we go, you had to bring in religion even more. The same god that told us 'though shall not kill,' has a lot of demands for killing. Do you wish to explain the story of the great flood as anything but mass genocide? What about killing the first born sons in Eqypt? Oh wait, I am sorry, this author is coming from a conservative slant, the one that omits facts to support an opinion.
As a person whom you would feel comfortable calling, 'on the left.' Let me put my foot in my mouth and speak for the majority of people 'on the left.' NO ONE gives a crap if you want to believe in a sky daddy. NO ONE gives a crap when you say gay people are a sin. NO ONE gives a crap how you live your life. We care when you try to impose, by force, your beliefs onto others. We care when you try to impose your beliefs into laws. We care when you use your beliefs to justify genocides, murders, manipulation, suppression, etc. If you want to believe that Sky Daddy is listening to 8 billion people, cool. If you want to believe the Catholic Church didn't rape boys or sell salvation, that is something we will laugh at. But we will not waste much effort to try and convince you otherwise. As an example of this, I find it completely hilarious that Oklahoma and Texas have laws stating that Sharia law will not be allowed in government. Yet, they want to put Christain laws in government. That is what pisses the left and, in in my opinion, sane conservatives off.
Please, do not assume that Kirk talked to people. He ambushed people. You and I are conversing. That is much different than what he did.
Charlie Kirk is not a martyr. Charlie Kirk's life will not even resonate in the zeitgeist in 2 years. It will be propped up by conservatives during the midterms. After that, it will become what it truly is, irrelevant. Kirk was no JFK, no MLK.
DB, these articles should be considered option. Here is my opinion. Charlie Kirk was a great man and a genius. Have you nothing better to do than disparage the accomplishments and intellect of a great self taught man. My opinion is that you are not worthy to clean his toilet. Judge a man by his accomplishments. What are you accomplishing here other than showing the world that you are an ugly man on the inside and on the outside too.
Do you have mirrors in your house?
I don't know what that means.
Considered option? What does that mean?
Your opinion that he was a great man is that, an opinion. Qualifying him as a genius, well, that moves beyond opinion. He was not a genius.
What accomplishments did he do? He is no Gandhi. He is no JFK. He is no MLK. So, yes, I am going to bring up his lack of accomplishments when the author compares him to those that have actual accomplishments.
Aww. Sorry that you got butt hurt. Perhaps, the reason you are butt hurt is that I am exposing your opinion to be based on BS. If he were this great person, would it be so easy to point all of this out?
And if you feel he is so great, that everything that spewed out of his mouth was golden, then it shows the world how UGLY of a person you are. You condone his racist and misogynistic comments. Something a son's mother should not be proud of.
That these articles should be considered opinion means that you should consider that these are opinion pieces. I don't know how to put it more simply. What accomplishments did he do? Nice writing. You must mean what were his accomplishments? Three best selling books, one of the most popular podcasts in the world, founded TPUSA with 250,000 members before his assassination, many more now, instrumental in turning the youth vote in favor of Trump, displayed an encyclopedic knowledge of history, economics and the bible all self-taught by the age of 30. In my opinion Charlie was destined to become president. It is quite fair to compare Kirk to Gandhi, JFK and MLK. Finally I am unaware of anything that Kirk said that was either racist or misogynistic.
You wrote option, that is why I was asking. I am well aware that the pieces posted here are opinion pieces. However, when the piece goes from opinion to proclaiming it factual, then the piece is game for correction.
His accomplishments were what? Three books. For that he is Gandhi, JFK or MLK? A popular podcast, so now Howard Stern is comparable to Gandhi, JFK, and MLK? Howard Stern also has three books published. Founded a group. WOW, that is really hard. I didn't know that it took a high level of skill to do that. The number of members, how he got the members, looking at the 990s, that was not him. The IRS tax forms show the truth, well, unless you are telling me that they lied on the 990s. Turned the youth to vote for Trump? Uhh, again, here you go spewing things that sound factual, but it is NOT. The youth turnout, those 18 to 22 in 2020 had ~47% turnout and in 2024, that was 41%. Biden had a +25 for that range and Harris had a plus 4. His knowledge of history, pfft. His knowledge of economics, pfft. His knowledge of the bible, pfft. Again, he never used this purported knowledge against anyone of consequence. He was a predator, preying on the weak. Please, show me him debating someone with some knowledge. How about an econ professor, even at City College level? How about a religious studies professor from any college? How about a debate with Meechan? He knows history well. Kirk controlled the filming, Kirk controlled the editing. He saw what he wanted you to see. You know, just like how Fox Newx operates. They control the filming, the editing and the presentation.
Here are some Kirk quotes for you:
"You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously." That was to a black woman.
"It's time to ban third world immigration, legal or illegal. We've reached our limit and we have a huge cultural, educational, housing, financial, and essential services problem to fix now because of it. We need a net-zero immigration moratorium with a ban on all third worlders."
“Clarence Thomas was a far better black role model to celebrate than Martin Luther King. Period. End of story. This guy is not worthy of a national holiday.”
“MLK was awful. … We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s”
“She should have more children than she has houses. That is my challenge, Taylor Swift, and I’m not being sarcastic. I think that if she ends up having children, she’ll stop this kind of liberal, endorsing Joe Biden nonsense.” Kirk also said, “Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.”
“Birth control makes women angry and bitter,” and “We basically told a great generation of young women ‘don’t get married, don’t have kids, go get a corporate job,’ and it’s created mass political hysteria. And then in their early 30s they get really upset because the boys don’t want to date me anymore, because they’re not at their prime.”
“white college indoctrinated women will ruin America” due to their “hyper narcissistic, hyper selfish”
The interesting thing is that you know little about what he espoused, yet feel confident he would be president. What does that say about you and how you look at candidates?
DB: Even your truncated version of his comments still sound in reasonableness, and even bravery as opinions that needed to be said and put into the realm of current discussion.
Got anything else? Not that it matters, since hate appears to be embedded your heart when it comes to this person, which also seems essential to your own personal make-up. We hear you. Aloha.
Again, always good to get your opinions and the open window to your own soul. Free speech is the exchange of opinions. Bring them on. You do represent a lot of people. So your concerns must continue to be heard.
Why do conservatives state that if you dislike someone's opinions or words that you hate that person? That makes no sense to me at all.
If you like everything that one person says, then that, to me is very scary. That is being in a cult.
I did not hate Charlie Kirk. I never met the person. I did not like the business he was in. He was in the business of peddling anti anything but a white male. I respect my mother and would never ever treat her like he wanted women treated. His vision of society was white male at the top of the totem pole and then every subservient to that white male. That is what he expressed. That is disrespectful.
He proclaimed American exceptionalism. Ok, what does that even mean? What are we exceptional about? What have we done to better the world? The list is very very very very very very short. And when you start to learn what is on that list, then realize it was created due to war related issues, then you start to wonder what the priority of our country is. So that you are not confused trying to figure this out, here are two: GPS and the Internet. Both were military projects. And wait . . . never let this get past you. These were funded in UNIVERSITIES as research grants. You know, the things that Trump wants to end.
He also promoted nationalism to the point of exclusion. I am against that. I can understand nationalism where you work to protect the citizens. However, borders are a man made concept. Nature does not understand those borders. We, all inhabitants on this spinning rock in this solar system are impacted by what other inhabitants do. Thus, being exclusively nationalistic is just stupid. That is what North Korea has tried to become. Nature gives us disease, gives us weather, and gives us resources. These impact every inhabitant. Thus, we need our country to work with, not against, the rest of the world.
Free speech is the ability to say what you feel. There may be consequences for that speech. Nothing that I have written should have any consequences. A chunk of Kirk's speeches did have consequence-level statements. Personally, I felt he was naive, immature, and lacked wisdom on the topics he espoused. And, because he could toss out word salads, the gullible fell for it.
I have no problem with a strong family setting. I think that is wonderful for all involved. This coming from a person who is an only child with an only parent, a former latch key kid. I was so adamant that when I had a child, that I would not have a latch key kid. I was able to pull it off. But I also realize that economically, that is not feasible for the masses, and has gotten even harder to do as time marches on. Why? ECONOMICS.
As the people who seem to rant in this substack all seem to be in their 70s, which I am not, I am much younger than that, I remember costs. I remember my mother buying a 3 year old car when she was 30. That car was 1/3rd of her annual salary. She did not make a lot of money, but she was not on min wage. Now, can a 30 year old buy a 3 year old car, not a beater, for 1/3rd of their annual salary? Not really. A house could be bought where the PITI payment, putting 20% down, was 25% of a persons salary. Now, it takes two people and will approach 55% of their salary. I have friends who have young kids and you learn how much day care is. It is a huge financial burden.
Wage inequality is a huge issue. Let me throw this out there for you think about, you know, to support my point. In 1970 the average annual salary in the US was 9400. To be in the top 10% of salaries, you earned 12,000. In essence, to be average, you were 5/6th of the line to be in the top 10%. Today, the average is about 63k. To be in the top 10%, you have to be at 150k. That works out to about 40%, or using the same, as above, about 2.5/6th. That spread keeps getting wider and wider. This is stuff that Kirk never talked about.
If you were to ask adults, how many children they want, you are now hearing none or one. But, if you were to state, "Public childcare starts at 1, public education is covered for life, and healthcare is part of your taxes," you might start hearing 2, 3, or 4 kids. Then the only concern is housing. When I had my child, even with the best healthcare plan, the cost was over 5k for that childbirth. I talked to a woman who recently had a kid, did not have cadillac level plan, but close to it, the cost was over 12k.
The healthcare system in America is a means to extort wealth from people and pass that wealth to shareholders, all the while, they are nothing more than Sarah Palin's infamous death panels. Now replace healthcare with education and support for children, and it is basically the same. It is extorting wealth and people are making decisions against having children for that reason.
You stated your dislike for unions. I want more. I want the companies, the country to fear the individual citizen. Instead of the citizen having no power, the citizen should have some power.
Here is some food for thought for you. Do you know that there are no Walmarts in France? Why? Because France saw the destruction that Walmart has done to communities. Heck, Santa Barbara saw it as well and thus the fight for no big box stores. These stores destroy local jobs. France was afraid of the revolt from the citizens losing their jobs to become low wage greeters at Walmart. But the US is proud of destroying local businesses under the guise of capitalism. When all it does is create new welfare recipients.
Things that make you go hmm.
Apparently bitterness has no reason, compassion or bounds. I'm guessing you had today's missive in the can ready to issue. Yawn.
What the heck are you saying?
Your first sentence makes no sense whatsoever.
Your second sentence, uhh, ok. I responded to an article. Have I thought about this before? Of course. Conservatives have the same modus operandi. Responding to them, well, like I mentioned about Kirk, it is like shooting fish in a barrel. I just do not miss like he does.
What are you talking about?
I can't help you if you can't even scroll up to read what you wrote and see how I responded to your words.
You have no context and unlike Blue sky these replies don't show who it's attendeed for.
Cool your jets.
YES THEY DO.
They are THREADED replies.
Just like you HIT reply to MY comment, I did the same.
Have you looked at Sharia laws? They cannot be compared to Christian values..
What Christian laws you say are they pushing. Are they taking away trans rights? What then?
Have you read what is going on in Texas.
Forcing the 10 commandments into schools.
Keep your !@#$% religion out of the public schools. I had this argument in 10th grade when I was forced to read the book of Job. It was a method to try and force religion into the school. I got a resolution in that the school, and this was a PUBLIC school, had to classify the story as FICTION and to treat it as such. High schools do not have religious studies as a class, but I stated, I would have no problem if religions were talked about throughout history. I also have no problem with church schools. Church schools can do as they please.
Get ready Civics classes are coming back!!!
So. Newsome is forcing other laws on us that I don't agree with
No. Newsome is NOT.
Damn. Newsome can NOT do anything unilaterally. Newsome can only sign what the legislation has brought to him to sign.
Yes. He can veto or sign anything. Then let's just say Cali Dems are forcing laws on the entire state that I don't agree with either,but I vote to disent.
NO.
AGAIN.
You do not know that it was only California Dems.
What laws has he signed that you do not like?
Now go look them up and see the votes.
Forcing Ten Commandments wouldn't be bad. Sharia law is horrible. You know how they treat women amongst other things
"Keep your !@#$% religion out of the public schools."
Why? I don't believe in the separation of Church and state?
Keep fighting, work on getting an amendment to the Constitution. Until then, keep your BS hateful, divisive spewing crap out of the public schools.
Yeah like gender studies and all the other garbage that's currently in our public schools.
You look through things with a blue lens but cannot even see reality.
Gender studies is not in high school. It is an elective class in colleges.
But, again, it has also been in colleges for hundreds of years.
You are so hell bent on constantly trying to define people not by what they say, but trying to force them into a definition that you perceive to be true. Get over the blue and red crap. Life is much easier when you just listen to the words out of a persons mouth without being biased based on the color of their uniform.
Ten commandments isn't hate. Do you know what they are?
Like though shall not Kill or steal. Aren't those good rules that anyone should follow?
Do you read?
You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
What pisses the left off is that they hate Christians. That's it. Charlie didn't ambush people he spoke with them. The left doesn't have the civility anymore to do that and talk in a civilized manner,respect differences and opinions and treat all men and women of this nation equally.
BS.
Did you not do well in math? 2/3rd of the country claims to be Christian. Not 2/3rd is on the right, nor the left. So you are arguing that Christians hate Christians.
Let me help you with some English:
One means One
Some means Some
All means All.
One does not mean All.
Some does not mean All.
Some on the left hate Christians. I would tend to state most on the left are indifferent about Christians. I would say a LOT on the left do not want Christians to push their beliefs on others and then try and legislate it.
You are just exposing the hatred that is buried so deep inside of you
Nope, I do not have hate.
I am not trying to control how people live.
I am not trying to force my beliefs onto others.
I am empathetic.
I am understanding.
I feel sorrow for those that follow fiction and treat it as truthful.
I fear for my country. Religion has shown to stunt the progress of countries. If we want to maintain being number 1, we need to not be so hell bent on repressing and moving backwards to pre 1950s.
Why not. There was no destruction of family values and a unified nation.
Are you serious?
If you believe there was no destruction of family values, there was a unified nation, you have not read or studied.
Math, English, History. All her weak points.
Never said I was perfect. Are you?
I do not think the word perfect was used. The statement said 'weak points.'
You can not see through the plank in your eye. The left has pushed many laws into affect because of their beliefs and pushing those down our throats.
Gay marriage,transgender rights(males competing in women's sports) change the bathrooms to all gender, Say the pronouns or you get fined.
I could go on and on. All my rights and beliefs are taken away from me especially in California.
I'm not sure what"right" we took away from the left except to have empathy and kindness and to honor a man and his family who was assassinated.
Ok, so let me see, you are against the CRA of 1964. You are pro-discrimination.
Gay marriage spun out of the CRA. Personally, I am against it. I do not feel that the government should be in the marriage business. Marriage has gone towards a 'religious' slant. I think the government should be in the civil union business, that will allow them to establish equal rights (tax, debt, assets, etc.) This way if some religious zealot thinks it is the worse thing ever, then the church can decide to not allow it.
Transgender rights, what the hell are those? Are they any different than the rights that non-transgender's have? I bet when you look into it, you will realize that they are not specifically transgender rights at all. And speaking of that, why is it that you are pissed that males compete as females, but not females competing as males? Sounds like you lack principle here. At the end of the day, wrestling has solved the problem, other sports can do the same. And to add insult to injury, the number of these 'males playing as females' is TINY. IIRC, it is less than 1/100th of 1 percent.
Who the hell is fining someone for saying the wrong pronoun? That is the one of the most ignorant statements. Show me what state, what federal law imposes that.
But here is what is funny about the pronoun thing. Let's assume that your first name is George. I decide to address you as Steve. You say, "No, my name is George." How would I handle that? I would start to call you George. We ALREADY call people by their preferred name. What is so hard about this?
But how do two men getting married “take away your rights and beliefs”?
Pronouns—who’s getting fired?! And if I assume from your name you’re a man and say “he” and you correct me and say “actually, G stands for Georgia and I’m female”, I’d refer to you as “she” and move on.
How does any of this actually impact your own personal day to day rights?
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
If the obvious is not right in front of you,then I don't know what to tell you.
Huh? I asked clarifying questions since you asserted that ALL YOUR rights and beliefs have been taken away, and I was wondering how they have been taken away from you personally? And instead of explaining or engaging in productive discussion, you ignore the actual question and instead attack. I’m sorry it’s not “obvious” to me how your rights and beliefs have been taken from you.
Then just think the opposite of what you think and you'll understand.
Absurdity is that you believe college is only for geniuses and or makes geniuses.
One is born as a genius and just because you don't go to college doesn't make one not a genius. Can a person not be homeschooled and or learn by themselves ? Many geniuses have.You also don't need a college or a professor for that. Colleges are just a breeding ground for indoctrination.
This is probably something you are incapable of believing. Choose a period of time, then show me a genius who was not at a college or some form of a higher education facility. I will not hold my breath awaiting your response.
KIRK WAS REJECTED. Geniuses do not get rejection letters.
While I agree with most of your comments, there are geniuses who never went to colleges (or even high school) and there are smart fools who have a long list of college degrees. And sometimes, geniuses do get rejection letters (after all, Einstein couldn't get a university job after he graduated, he had to work in the patent office). I don't know if Kirk was all that smart or not. He certainly was cleaver enough, and committed enough to carve out a profitable niche for himself while promoting his beliefs. I read an article recently about how people who like him generally focus on what they consider the uplifting and positive things he said and have not read the various hateful comments he spewed, with the reverse true for those who disliked him.
Thanks for the honest response.
Of course, throughout history there have been some geniuses who never went to college. But let's move that timeframe to the last 50 years. Can you name one? I can not. Let's move it into his trame frame. He graduated HS in 2011(?) The path for him was simple . . . do well in high school, get great SAT scores, apply to college(s), go to college. There was no movement in 2011 to bypass college.
Equating him to Einstein is an insult to Einstein. Equating him to Isaac Newton is an insult to Newton. Equating him to Oppenheimer . . . He was not a genius.
IMO, he was a pawn. He was charsimatic enough, good looking enough, to be on camera for someone to use him for an agenda. For all I know it is the same group that is putting up the Jesus/God billboards. It could be the Heritage Foundation, it could be . . . It is a shame that the 990s do not show the top donors :(
This is why I am not sure that it was his beliefs. He more than likely had some beliefs, but they may have been morphed into what they were by people funding him. I am not sure of this at all.
In regard to his uplifting messages, uhh, ok. Self help as a business has been around for a very long time :)
I'm not supporting the guy, or equating him to Einstein, just pointing out that certified geniuses sometimes early on do get rejected. I do think he had strong beliefs (and may well have been a pawn at the same time), the problem is the beliefs. I'm sure that Hitler had strong beliefs, too. The comment about uplifting messages, note that I qualified it by saying this was the opinion of those who followed him...
My kids were rejected from Colleges,so what. Happens all the time.
With all that adversity,they still have great jobs
Indeed. I have a secret delight in thinking of the college graduates who used AI to write their essays only to discover that their entry level jobs are now being done by AI... I've always thought that the trades are essential. I doubt we'll see an AI plumber or electrician anytime soon.
They never used AI. Wasn't during their college tenure. Besides they are Engineers not History or English majors.
I wasn't speaking in particular about your kids, rather about those graduating today. AI is used by engineers, too. But if your kids didn't go to college, they're not engineers as such, other than through practice (graduating engineers are pretty wet behind the ears at first).
Einstein couldn't do basic Math for one
I feel like I am discussing things with a 9 year old.
Einstein went to college. He earned a doctorate.
Never said he didn't go to college just pointing out things to you
Life is too short to be so bitter. DB. And in so much detail.
Reminded of the old Catskills joke when irony and human foibles were the source of humor: the food here is so terrible, and the portions are so small.
I am not bitter. I am quite happy.
We noticed. That was the point.
All left news is opinion and propaganda. You need to step back and see reality.
Wonder why Kimmel was fired?
Reality? I am confident that you feel that your reality is correct. I would argue that is perception, not reality. Reality is much different.
Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch are masters of propaganda. I would not put them at the top, I would put the authors of religion at the top.
Kimmel was not fired. Kimmel was put on a haitus. Why? Because of only one thing: Money. In your perception it was a rightous decision, but the reality is that Disney is scared of the mood of the president and his minions doing illegal things to harm Disney. Disney's CEO has a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders. If he does not take an action to protect their money, then Disney is sued. Thus, Disney did not take a principled response, but a fiduciary response.
Kimmel was bleeding viewers for his rhetoric. It's more about the small stations that dropped him due to his liability.
Oh but when Disney fired Gina Caruso not a peep from the left.
I got your game.
So wait . . .
You are saying it is FINANCIAL.
Wow. You could not just say that I was right?
Free speech is free speech. It is not free of consequences for the speech. I fully respect the ACLU. Why? Because they are driven by principles, not beliefs. If you believe in free speech, you should believe all speech is free. When the ACLU represented the Illinois Nazis so that they could spew their hatred, that showed to me that they were driven by principles. They do not have to agree with the speech, but they feel that everyone should have the right.
In regards to Disney though, welcome to the real world. Employers can easily put in morals clauses as well as other clauses in the employment contract. That can supress speech. The employee is not obligated to sign the contract, thus they can make a principled stand. The employer has the right, even though I do not like it, to control the speech of its employees.
Yeah. Exactly but Disney was cheered on when they fired Caruso or ABC firing Roseanne B not for ratings bot for their conservative views.
Kimmel and Colbert are for rating and money.
A bunch of Commie-Dems revelling in their rightneousness.
A peaceful conversation is ambush. The left has burned Tesla dealerships because they don't like someone eliminating government waste,Burn down cities during BLM protests,blocked Jewish students from entering Colleges during the Summer with the College sit inside.
To make a few
The left is not the victim,they are the cause of this hatred.
The statistics on political violence show that the far right is responsible for way more incidents than the left.
Ah no. Sorry the left doesn't like guns but uses them on the right. Not sure where you get your polls from. That's not what I've read.
They you're reading biased data. I suggest that you goggle the phrase "ratio of political violence carried out by the right and left."
It depends on the source that you Google. I can Google anything and get one opinion
I googled the statement and got an AI answer. Also, some of the results from the Cato Institute (not a left group, for sure):
Excluding 9/11, politically related murders from 1975 to present:
Right wing: 63%
Left wing: 10%
Islamist: 23%
Unknown: 4%.
Data from January 1, 2020 to present
Right wing: 54%
Left wing: 22%
Islamist: 21%
Other: 3%
So the trend seems to be toward equalization?
Ok, so you have a lot of hatred in your heart and lack empathy.
Kirk ambushed students. It is that simple. Where are the debates that this purported genius had with educated people on the subject? Heck, you could call Kirk a predator just based on the FACT that he never debated anyone with deep knowledge on the subject.
First off, Tesla does not have dealerships. I know, understanding words and what they mean is not a conservative trait. Tesla has showrooms. Now, how do you know it was the left that did this? Oh . . .wait . . . you do not. You are just in assumption mode. The only thing that is known is the amount of Tesla's burned down at their showrooms across the globe. I bet you can't tell me the number. Here is your hint: Worldwide it is less than 100. Now, I am not justifying it by any means. Considering that Tesla sold almost 1.8 million cars last year, that number is tiny. All we know is that some people, NOT KNOWING THEIR REASON FOR ALL. As an example, Daniel Clarke, the kid who was arrested for this, wrote, "Fuck Trump, long live Ukraine." Does that mean he is left or right? A LOT on the right have supported Ukraine. So again, one is one, some are some, all is all.
Get over the BLM crap. I can go back through history and paint a LOT more violence from conservatives than anything that happened during BLM. The KKK ring a bell?
Conservatives tend to be judgmental, pious fools. Hell bent on controlling how others live their lives.
Just cuz you don't agree with someone or like someone doesn't mean what they share saying is hate.
Correct, to a point.
When Kirk stated, "You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously." That is pushing hate. That is pushing sexism and racism. That is pushing divisiveness.
If Kirk states (this is fictional!), "I believe that God created the Earth for man to inhabit." Uhh, ok. That is not hatred, that is a belief that I would disagree with.
There is that distinction. Can you see the difference? Can you state that Kirk made hateful comments?
Biblical beliefs are hard to swallow and don't always align with ones own beliefs,as the letfs values and beliefs.
Spinning words around doesn't change what happened. Tesla showroom what every you want to call it. There is one on in SB.
How can one ambush someone when they are sitting down talking. Look up the word ambush.
Again . . . you ignored the point to harp on something else.
LESS THAN 100 !@#$% Tesla's were burned WORLDWIDE out of ~1.8mm. This has you in an uproar? I stepped on an ant pile and killed 30 ants, does that get you irritated as well? There are crazy people in the world. There always will be. They will always do crazy things. You can't stop it.
Charlie Kirk did more than just sit down. He made a career of creating chaos and clickbait material. He had full editorial control. He preyed on the youth and ignored debating subject matter experts. Ask yourself why he did that. That should prove right there that he was not genius, or a subject matter expert or anything of consequence. He is just a pawn being used by others to promote their agenda.
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/800835023
Follow the money.
Who cares how many. It happened
Ok, then I can use that same logic with you.
ALL CHRISTIANS are pedophiles, hate children, etc. Why? Because ONE priest raped an altar boy.