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Jeff barton's avatar

I like your idea of a party. I think the Current should organize public mixers. The Current should have a booth at the Santa Barbara art walk. The Current should be a social club. The Current should be a vehicle for conservatives to proselytize. I believe that the left views conservatives with disdain and conservatives view lefties as misguided. Through association and dialogue, people's minds are changed. I pride myself on having turned many lefties. We need to become human and open the mind to other ideas. Our ideas are our answers. Now we just need to become human and gain an ear for our ideas to spread. I want to meet all the people who contribute to this substack. I want to have a dialog with Nancy Freeman and Thomas John. I will bring my guitar and we can jam. It will be glorious.

Thomas John's avatar

Thank you Jeff. This is exactly why I feel some sort of National Service would be a great thing. Doesn't have to be military, could be anything, just as long as it was coastal folks with fly over states folk, black with white and all other colors, rich and poor, and all shades of the political spectrum.

Jeff barton's avatar

The internet has divided us so that the people we interact with are names on a screen rather than faces and personalities we know and love, foibles and all. It is so much easier to be a jerk on the internet than in person.

Pat Fish's avatar

You know that meme that shows a guy at a card table with a sign saying "change my mind?" Let's do it ! Revive lower State Street ! I suggest the SB Current establish a place for dialogue and discourse, take turns sitting and chatting with the public. I'll bring my wolfhounds and we can call it a Barklet.

Peggy's avatar

Oh how I'd love to be there to witness you debating, Pat!! Better than the Tricia Allen debate!

Nancy Freeman's avatar

I wish I could quote ONE idea Republicans have…..a positive idea, not a criticism of other ideas….to improve our Democracy. I keep asking what you all think Trump will do to help America. NO ONE EVER ANSWERS.

I understand many are saying he wears diapers and often smells bad: THAT WILL NOT HELP OUR COUNTRY!

Someone,please: WHAT do you think The O.T. will do to improve our country….ANYONE? All that garbage Buckley wrote….and NOT one iota about how Trump will improve our lives.

Jim Buckley's avatar

Well, Nancy, one way will be to dismantle the Soviet-style DEI (Diversity! Equity! Inclusion!) bureaucracy that has embedded itself into every school, college, university, and place of learning, along with crippling law enforcement, most businesses, sports teams, city, state, county, and federal government offices, and all kinds of institutions large and small. Only with a Republican administration will that end (and admittedly, there's no guarantee even then). Another would be, of course, dismantling the "transgender-affirming" medical establishment that's kidnapped many parents' children. Then, there would be a more secure border, fairer tax system, etcetera. This "communist-lite" progressive agenda we all suffer under could maybe – there are no miracles here – be halted and reversed, but that's only a "maybe." Country Club Republicans and RINOs (Republicans in Name Only) who mouth conservative values but then march shoulder-to-shoulder with the "Progressive" wing of the Democrat Party need to be replaced. Trump – and believe me, I acknowledge his many faults – could help bring that about. He has brought a fresh approach to the Republican Party, and it's been needed for a very long time. I do believe that approach can also benefit the entire nation if people like you would give it a chance.

Nancy Freeman's avatar

Jim Buckley, See my comment above: I asked someone to tell me what Trump proposes to “make America great” IF he is President, and just listen to what Buckley says in response. ( I have not heard these ideas from the PERPETUALLY COMPLAINING ONE himself; I listen, with difficulty, to the Trump but hear only lies and childish bitching ). You, Buckley think trump “should”

1. Remove DEI, which PROTECTS people of color, ethnicity, gender from being treated UNFAIRLY to revert to BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY? WHY? WHY? You sound INCREDIBLY SICKENINGLY UNAMERICAN…..how would you like a law which says all Republican Conservative White Men should be kicked out of this Democratic country called U.S.?

2. DENY CHILDREN AND ADULTS THE PRIVILEGE OF DETERMINiNG THEIR SEX?

Why? Why? Whose choice should it be if not the person whose body it is? Should you , Buckley, in true dictator fashion be the one who decides.

WELL I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO WAVE A WAND OVER YOUR POINTED HEAD AND TURN YOU INTO A HUMAN!

3. You’d like trump to install a “ fairer tax system “? Why am I not shocked. You want the rich people who make their money from our Democratic system, but then trump-like you don’t want them to pay their fair share of taxes…..well, if the rich…who make their money thanks to Democracy DONT pay their share, you are getting their money from the millions of hard working Americans who MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO GET RICH….you dummy…..WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR RUNNING THE COUNTRY. The poor can’t do it.

4.You say “ Trump brought a fresh approach to the Republican Party….” Like, Adultery? Cheating on his taxes,? Wrong assessment on his properties?, Assaulting women? Instigating an Insurrection? Admiring Hitler?

There is nothing “ fresh “ about being a colossal SELF-SERVING A-HOLE. MEN HAVE BEEN DOING ALL THIS FOR EONS, throughout history. Democracy has made it more difficult and you want to revert ?

WHO ARE YOU….WHERE AND HOW WERE YOU BROUGHT UP? If I were you I would shut up. You sound worthy of being stoned out of our Democratic United States. Count yourself lucky that you are being allowed to even voice your unamerican pathetic thoughts. You should be ashamed. Keep them to yourself….!

Jim Buckley's avatar

Sigh. You are hopeless. Let's not communicate again. Thanks.

Nancy Freeman's avatar

Buckley: you’re a Cop-out.

Earl Brown's avatar

Jeff - wonderful idea! While I think our CommieDem fellow substack contributors are coo coo to believe the Democrat Drivel, I really like their passion in attempting to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, ( right Nance ?), and would love to meet ’em all! Ill be that handsome Republican over there by the bar, but to the Dems, I’m the Atilla the Hun wanna-be!

Chris's avatar

It’s depressing to see the brain warp occurring in otherwise good people. Up is down, wrong is right, bad is good. It’s awful what 20+ years of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh turned the Republican Party and otherwise smart, decent people into cheerleaders for treasonous, stealing, lying, cheating, certified scum bags. Integrity isn’t just dead in the Republican Party, it’s now a mortal sin as it would undermine the cult. Joe Biden is very far from perfect but in no honest, rational, mind could Joe Biden be bad and also Donald Trump be good. God save the USA.

Jeff barton's avatar

Just so you know Rush Limbaugh is dead and so is Fox News. Fox became the Rhino, Mitt Romney, Nikki Haley wing of the controlled opposition when they fired Carlson, Bongino and Hilton on the same day. Fox does not support Donald Trump. Your seething indictment of the character of the Republican party might fly in thespian club but here it sounds angry and foolish. If you want to highlight the awfulness of Donald Trump it is most effective to point out policy that was bad for you or bad for America. I can point out much that happened under Biden that is bad for me and bad for America. I challenge you to do the same. Otherwise, you might find employment as a clown.

Jeff barton's avatar

Nailed the sarcasm theme.

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Earl Brown's avatar

“ . . . protection of private property; rule of law; limited government; and free and competitive markets.. . .” how un Democratic!

Peggy's avatar

Do his puppet masters think we are all cnn gulping fools?!? Now I read prices are up 20% since he took office. No it’s MUCH MUCH higher. More like 50%+. And retailers gouging us left and right. He sends BILLIONS to a fake war yet our homeless have multiplied 100 fold. He’s an ABSOLUTE disaster and America can not survive unless he’s defeated.

Oldwave's avatar

Did people really forget the events of January 6th? The twice impeached failed former president who can’t even run casinos who wrote his own letter from the doctor stating he would be the healthiest president in US history? Basher of gold star families, POW’s and KIA’s. I could go on and on but I feel as if it doesn’t matter. What could possibly qualify this “man” as a candidate for president?

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Just have to comment. "The events of January 6th" are that an innocent military veteran was shot by Washington, D.C. police and died. And, apparently, a cadre of intelligence operatives convinced enough Trump supporters to join them in an assault on the Capitol building. Many Trump supporters then wandered through the building and left. There had never been ANY violence (to speak of) at ANY Trump rally, including the one on January 6. I do believe it was not a good idea to hold the rally, but it went along peacefully enough until the assault by a a small band of miscreants and enablers. Even at the latest rally in Wildwood, New Jersey, with a crowd approaching 100,000, there was no violence, so what did happen on January 6 in Washington, D.C. came as a surprise to President Trump. Did his casinos fail? Yes. Turns out Atlantic City was a bad location for such a grand venture. He doesn't "bash" Gold Star families. He reacted badly to one Democrat Gold Star father who took him to task. Probably would have been better advised not to. John McCain (a POW and American hero) single-handedly foiled President Trump's chance of replacing Obamacare, so Trump had an issue with him. Again, probably should have taken a different tack. There's lots to criticise about Trump, but you can't deny he pushes back against his political opponents, something far too many Republican candidates are afraid to do. And, most importantly, his positions and his defence of them are what defines him. I hate his mindless tweets. I do wish he'd fire people with more grace rather than demean them. But, when placed beside the current occupant of the White House, President Trump is our Stars and Stripes forever.

Ira Gottlieb's avatar

These are the ravings of a person detached from reality and drinking the Kool-Aid. Where to start? First, no way Trump will win the popular vote. And even if he did, that shocking accomplishment would hardly elevate him to the status of Lincoln and FDR, one of whom squashed the last insurrection and the other who passed monumental progressive legislation that today’s Republicans still fantasize about erasing. Trump remains one of the worst presidents ever, harming working people, spewing racist and anti-media rhetoric and still promoting the big lie that he won the 2020 election. Second, Trump loved to credit himself for economic gains until he screwed up the nation’s COVID response. That’s just the norm, with the usual caveat about limits on real presidential power. Third, there’s no way Trump will be acquitted In Manhattan, though it’s possible there will be a hung jury. Finally, Biden did a pretty good job of cleaning up and reversing the mess Trump made, and advancing infrastructure improvements, though there are durable scars on the federal judiciary and the environment that still remain. Another Trump term would be a profound and dangerous return to chaos, vindictiveness, and threats to democracy and all those who earn less than $500,000 a year.

Earl Brown's avatar

I don't know what you're smokin' brother, but save me a puff !

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Ira Gottlieb's avatar

That does express the spirit of Trumpian dialogue: “i’m 100% correct and preemptively reject any source, facts or evidence that disagree with my willfully ignorant position.” Enjoy your bunker.

Michael Schaumburg's avatar

Thanks for writing. Events like Trump trials, etc. are very interesting highlighting the differences of opinions between the politically left and right. Hopefully the Trump hater networks will run out of misinformation and concede as the political persecution dilutes, like the NPR chief getting it wrong. The media legacy and the federal government, et al, view Trump as a huge threat to "western civilization." I view Trump as the "David" having the will -and money- to fight the monster government tentacles of oppression. It's astounding at how many are so fearful of capitalism and freedom.... and don't want to view the truth and facts. And astounding that many poison their lives with hatred of one guy. Is he really that powerful?

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Michael Schaumburg's avatar

What is your name, please?

Peter Cargasacchi's avatar

Trump fumbled the pandemic and cratered US jobs and the economy. Trump was the disaster. Inflationary pressure? Trump added $7.8 trillion to the debt. Search: Trump 2020 Saudi Russia oil deal. Yeah oil prices and Inflation was on Trump.

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Thomas John's avatar

Again, I disagree. President Trump and his allies were among the first to politicize the pandemic. Trump accused Democrats of using the coronavirus as a "new hoax" to undermine his presidency during a campaign rally in February 2020. This rhetoric was echoed by prominent conservative media figures who accused Democrats and the media of weaponizing the virus to damage Trump's political standing. The Trump administration's mixed messages and downplaying of the virus's severity contributed to the politicization. Health experts criticized the administration for undermining public trust and preparedness by sending inconsistent messages about the pandemic. And that goes on today.

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Ira Gottlieb's avatar

COVID not too serious? What other malady caused a million deaths in the US in that short period?

Thomas John's avatar

In hindsight - you are right. At the time when it was racing though and killing all the obese old folks in nursing homes it seemed pretty serious. Maybe, and I say this somewhat mokingly, but maybe Xi Jinping was just modeling himself thinking 'what would DeSantis do??"

Ranger's avatar

99% large cities are corrupt to their core. Voters to judges, evil places. City dwellers must have government handouts in order to exist, otherwise they will rot from inside out. Trump will never get a fair trial in any large city. This is not a race issue, nor religious issue, but a government subsidy/dependency issue where government has total control on taxing and enforcing. I expect Trump to be convicted by corrupt people of the city who don't want to loose their cheese.

Jeff barton's avatar

You are exactly right.

Gilbert's avatar

A fair election Kahn says ? Would that mean an election free of fake elector plots ?

Why do Republicans breeze right past that attempt to subvert our democratic voting systems?

Why have they baselessly destroyed confidence in our electoral processes?

That is not patriotism . It is traitorous.

Peter Scott's avatar

Gotta love the cartoon the Mr. Buckley selected for his latest screed.

For a “Fair & Balanced” tally of his preferred presidential candidates (many) lies, please peruse the link below, gentle readers…

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwjat-uQ8pWGAxWbJ0QIHY43C4UQFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Kwq7FtnTFm462F7Wvb5lN

Lou Segal's avatar

Let me say at the outset: I will be voting for Trump, but only because the alternative is an unmitigated disaster. It's not because I think Trump is the second coming of Moses or Christ like Jim Buckley. Trump screwed up on a lot of things during his presidency. His handling of Covid and his reliance on Fauci and other people like him was a disaster. Scolding Georgia and Florida for opening their states too soon was ridiculous. He is also culpable for the 9% inflation that ensued after his presidency. He spent as much as Biden, so he needs to accept some of the blame. He carelessly squandered $2.2 trillion by signing the Cares Act and another $2.3 trillion the following Dec. Much of the money was used by the states to finance their lockdowns and hundreds of billions were lost due to theft and fraud. His trade tariffs didn't work. One reason why we know they were counterproductive is because Biden has continued them. He also didn't eliminate the deep state, instead he appointed numerous people like the current FBI Director who have undermined our justice system. Trump is not the Abe Lincoln or Thomas Jefferson that Jim Buckley has created in his mind. He is a very flawed individual who on many occasions has shown he is deep in over his head.

Earl Brown's avatar

So Trump is rough, gruff and no intellectual - so what? He’s an ass-kicker who gets the job done. He couldn’t have known the attributes & shortcomings of all his appointees.

We’re getting enough of self-righteous, sanctimonious Dems with their sense of superiority & moral smugness with FJoe’s gang.

Diane Lee's avatar

Bunker Biden may hide again because of the new fake “bird flu” or will it be called the “caged flu”.

Biden’s real dementia is not fake though.

I would love to hear a real debate w/ difficult questions even for the Bunker Blue side.

Maybe there won’t be an audience because an AI robot might be dressed up to look like Bunker Boy or Bye Bye Biden or fill in the blank … Biden.

The puppet masters don’t want anyone to see, who really is pulling Biden’s strings.

Earl Brown's avatar

Di - "Bunker Biden" - I'm stealiing that! :)

Michael Schaumburg's avatar

I was counting on your negative reply, thanks.

Nancy Freeman's avatar

Buckley….well why don’t you also SHUT UP.? What , you couldn’t face my honest rebuttals to your demented suggestions?

Do you think having a monstrously biased forum like this gives you REPUBLICANS the right to be SO WRONG? TRY A MODICUM OF HUMANITY! What happened to being human, showing some love and kindness. Thanking the Universe for our beloved Democracy….one of few standing…. why are you trying to turn American into a place run by a demented Dictator?

TVW's avatar

Using the New York Times as a reliable source is a little disingenuous. I’m guessing the majority of readers in this forum …regardless of political affiliation… fully understand the role played by the Times promoting left-wing causes…speaking of Kool-Aid ??

Obviously, you’re entitled to your dogmatic leftist views…perhaps driven by the fact that Trump appears to live rent free in your head…shades of Robert De Niro.

To be clear, I kind of enjoy your rantings…However I would find them to be informative if you cited some actual data and less emotion. Using lazy and careless labels like “racist” is unfortunate and sophomoric… serving no purpose, other than perhaps a degree of personal cathartic relief. Racist

It might be instructive for you to read why former journalists with the New York Times, such as Bari Weiss and Alex Berenson resigned from the NYT… Or the fired Opinion page editor that was terminated because he allowed an Opinion piece to be published from a US Senator…an unabashed conservative and veteran.

I think most of us are certainly open to hear about the accomplishments of Joe Biden…albeit an extremely short list when compared to the damage he has done to this country: be it energy prices, open borders, “canceling” legitimate student debt… squashing women’s sports, crushing inflation, interest rates, home ownership, false job creation claims, denying biological science, wars, lawfare etc… Although he did seem to do pretty well when he went up against Corn Pop…so there’s that…

Thomas John's avatar

The NYT is definitely left leaning. I think they are probably a decent representation of the city in which they are based. I think some of the quotes could have been taken out of context - but the majority, if not intended as lies, where plain incorrect information.

Lou Segal's avatar

I have read some of the other comments to this article and to those who criticize Trump and praise Biden, you are just as delusional as the people you accuse of supporting Trump. Biden is hands down the worst president of my lifetime and I was born during Truman's term. His policies gave us the highest inflation in the last 40 years, an unmitigated disaster on our Southern border, foreign policy gaffes like withholding military assistance to Israel which is making the world more dangerous, not less. He campaigned as someone who would unite the country, but he has been as divisive as any president in recent memory and that includes the last one before him. He is clearly cognitively impaired and has no business being president of the US. It's a joke that he is running again and only unserious people refuse to admit that. Obama was right when he said "don't underestimate Joe Biden's ability to f-k things up" or when Obama's defense secretary said Biden has been wrong on every major foreign policy or national security issue for the last 40 years.

Thomas John's avatar

I think taking or giving credit to a four our 8 year timeframe isn't a very accurate way to judge any presidency. Highest inflation rate in 40 years, correct. It was the same for the entire globe - we weren't an outlier (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1034154/monthly-inflation-rates-developed-emerging-countries/). But yes, the fact that our choice is between those two fossils is a nightmare.

Earl Brown's avatar

Absolutely right-on Lou - FJoe Biden is a complete joke. Unfortunately for the GOP he won’t be the D nominee - even the CommieDems aren’t stoopid enough to run a disaster like Biden-Harris!