This is so true, and well written. Those who argue about what the author says are the same ones who will “pee on you leg, smile, and tell you it’s raining” as the old joke goes
True? Every time I come back from Mexico I get stuck in a line for an hour and have to take off motorcycle helmet for the scanner to work on my face. I guess the author is down checking other parts of the Mexican financed wall wasn't finished.
Mexico will "pay for the Wall" because it will cut off the flood of remittences sent back to Mexico by illegal border crossers.
Mexico "will pay for the Wall" because now they must pay for social services and education for their own citizens then instead dumped on America or allowed in under "chain" immigration once one child of illegal borders crossers is born in the US.
Mexico will "pay for the Wall" having to absorb the numbers of non-Mexican citizens flooding through their border state on their way to Biden's siren call of open border to the US, who are no longer allowed Biden's easy entrance.
Don't get stuck in your own snap judgements up front, TJ. Did you assume Mexico would write the US a check and pay for the Wall? Or did you overlook Trump actually plays chess five moves down the board, as many of us also are now finding out too.
Pelosi ordered the destruction of all the Jan 6 materials because it was not an insurrection. An insurrection is an armed attempt to take over the government, which may be why the Demo's started lying by saying someone had a gun. When that was disproven, the best that they could do was to say someone held a flag on a pole that could be used as a weapon. Its not meeting the definition of an insurrection may be why the only place I have seen anyone charged with insurrection is in the main stream media: not in a court.
Nor did they ever reveal who theJan 6 photo-op planted agitators actually were. How many video surveillance shots of actual Trump supporters telling these outside agitators to stop the destruction or yelling them down as "Feds" were suppressed in the main stream media? What about the photos of Ashley Babbitt punching the guy who was trying to break the window in the corridor where she was fatally shot trying to get out of that violent melee?
I think that is a Democrat Goth Thing. You know, the thing. You will need to ask them, Mark.
Then explain what sources of energy and anti-gravitational forces they employed to make this journey into our inner space. And live to tell about it. Quite fascinating when one appreciates the known physics, at least to our universe, of the speculated tasks.
Your “thinking” is questionable at best, but I wasn’t there smashing out windows, throwing shit on the walls, waving confederate flags, trashing offices, chanting “Hang Mike Pence”, causing the deaths of capital police and making absolute traitorous losers out of themselves, all while assclowns in denial try to defend them for close to eight years. No! I wasn’t there to interview space aliens and ask questions about physics. If anyone was close to traitors and space aliens It would be your tribes members.
Serious questions this time. What are you going to do when he loses again? Were you one of the Capital trespassers? Will you go again? Can you finally accept a loss? Can you finally learn to be an American and not this right wing delusional traitor?. Ive served this country under some horrible circumstances so even clueless morons can bitch and complain about conspiracy theories, but it gets really old and annoying when you and your fellow delusionals can’t handle the truth. All your hours and hours of so-call research and analysis, post after post after post with your fellow minions have awarded you nothing but the same results of zero credibility and zero evidence that proves you correct in any of your claims. It all reads well but produces nothing. Hasn’t produced credible evidence eight years ago and hasn’t now.
Jesus H Christ!!! Some of you people really need some serious mental help. And NO! that’s NOT a personal attack. It’s a sad fact. Way too much Fox tabloid news. Not sure the average age of most of you who post to this site but if you’re older you have less time to live in your self-made fantasy world you’ve created. But what a ride it’s been!!!
I think you are the only people still watching Fox News. Most conservatives have no use for their media theatrics. The "news" does not do well constrained in only a visual medium. Fox is a visual medium. Might want to stop wasting your time watching Fox News if you like other find it only shallow and/or upsetting. Enjoy if for what it is, but it is the foundation of nothing we are discussing here.
You of all posters, should have figured already I wouldn’t be a “FOXTARD”. But sadly a vast majority of your fellow MAGA supporters are mesmerizing by right wing propaganda news outlets. Sadly one of the reasons you people have your wires tangled up so bad. Mainstream media has always been a godsend to the gullible.
Mark, I understand there is an opening down at Madame Rosinka's for another mind reader. Think about applying. I only conclude it is good to learn Fox News unglues so many leftists. Keep watching and commenting on Fox News for us Mark, since few of us even bother. Does the term infotainment have any meaning to you?
You forgot to include Fox Tabloid News unglues leftists but superglues Trumptard’s. As for infotainment? Yeah! that your “Rush Limbaugh (Elvis) has left the building” finally.
This is a good example of Ira's convcition by inference. Nancy Pelosi destroys government documents. The Hur tape is a government document. Therefore Nancy Pelosi is suspected to have destroyed the Hur tape.
A follows B leading to C - inference. Just like Trump is known by some as a crook, so therefore one can infer Trump is guilty of any crime charged. For the rest of his life. And to his kin in perpetuity. Easy peasy, when you get the hang of it.
A small bit of each. But I wasn’t brought here, this clown show showed up in my email box and I made the mistake of reading a few of your fellow delusional counterparts posts and articles. Sadly I was entertained at first by the absolute cluelessness and adamant refusal to accept reality. Sometimes it’s entertaining to read this level of denial (and here’s credit somewhat) from what could be perceived as intelligent people. But sadly even smart people can be manipulated and driven to believe in conspiracy theories.
Very good article and good comments as well. The negative comments were very predictable and trying to answer them can be considered the same as spitting in the wind. I am not a "Trumper" as the
left like to portray anyone who will vote for him to dig us out of this mess that we are in but simply one of millions of Americans who believe that Mr. Trump, if he lives up to his pledges, will help repair the damage that is being done to our country. The terms of "racist" that is thrown around trying to intimidate people falls on deaf ears anymore. Too misused and too overused. One other thought that the article brings to mind when mentioning Pelosi is term limits! For ALL politicians. Monica
The Democrats have much to fear from a second Trump term as president. Do you think Biden's tax returns could withstand the scrutiny Trump's have received? What about Pelosi's brilliant stock picks? Let's have a look at FBI internal communication surrounding Jan 6th or with media regarding suppression of the laptop story. Let's have a look at Fauci's emails regarding the origin of covid or about natural immunity. Let's listen to Biden's interview with Hur. There is much of interest to the American people that is being protected by the Democrat party.
Thanks for clarifying. I had always wondered if the "deep state" boogie man was a third system. I guess it's dems? Or was it the old, now RINO, gop too? Honest question.
Neo-cons with strong ties to the US defense industry were not working in this countries best interests. Call them what you will.
RINO's are a bit of another breed. Old Guard - who have nostalgic appeal, but are no longer mainstream. And provided no counter-force today against the rapid US takeover by the now 22 million members of the tax-payer supported Big Government workforce, majority of which are government employ union members.
RINOs vs BigGovernment and their unions - not even a fair fight any longer.
Out of this losing imbalance of power emerged the populist Tea Party and now the MAGA movement. (Limited government and fiscal restraint) A normal reaction to the elitism and rapaciousness of the government employee unions mono-agenda. The pendulum continues to swing.
I agree…one of our biggest enemies & gatekeepers of Truth is the “Mainstream” media…much of the Truth is ignored and/or obscured and/or distorted by the Mockinbirds to maintain control of the herd, which puts US in a very dangerous state of affairs…
let's remember...the Holocaust didn't start with gas chambers...it started with one party controlling the media...one party controlling the message...one party deciding what is Truth…one party censoring speech and controlling the opposition...one party dividing citizens into "us" vs "them" and calling on their supporters to harrass "them"…
it started when good people turned a blind eye and let it happen...
They are called alternate electors and this is nothing new. It happened in Hawaii in 1960. They are chosen in the event that the vote count changes due to invalidation of votes with unconfirmed signatures for example. The electors were never counted. To call them fake is the game the Democrat party plays with language to create a false impression. As if these electors were covert impersonators infiltrating in disguise. This tactic seems to work on children and on other Democrats.
Ah, so can I send my electors to all the states this fall? But I wouldn't do that since so many of them are facing felony charges. How's Mark Meadows and your bud Rudy doing in that super blue state of Arizona? Oh, they must just have kids at the wheel there too.
To set up fake electors knowing that they were fraudulent is a crime. That’s what happened in 2020. This was not some good faith dispute about legitimacy; it was outright and knowing fraud, and hence, criminal. And if it’s not prosecuted, it will happen again.
So why has Kenneth Chesebro plead guilty in Georgia? Can you do that for a fake crime? And all the current indictments? In seven states? All fake? Guess they're all kids there too. And I thought you were and engineer? Now your a lawyer? You know how you can tell the difference at a party in 5 minutes? Each one will come up and tell you what they are.
Tales of the prosecutorial extortions to get a "guilty plea" are already out there - plead this or we will go after you ...and your family.... for that, have been rife every since Michael Flynn's "guilty" plea. Do you need to read more widely, TJ?
Actually, ever since Obama spied on Trump in 2016 and the entire Russia-gate ruse was set up. Very ugly politics have been played out under the "color of law" these past few years. Who was running the real "insurrection" from the inside, TJ? Certainly not the Trump people.
In February 2021, Trump's accounting firm Mazars provided the DA eight years of Trump's tax returns. In May 2019, Ways and Means Committee Chair Richard Neal requested six years of Trump's tax records; after appeals were exhausted, he received the documents on November 30, 2022.
Yes, a second Trump administration would be all about revenge and retribution, pandering to the wealthy, encouraging pollution, a return to union-busting, and ultimately attempting to enshrine Trump as Perpetual Leader. Of course he would pardon a host of the J6 insurrectionists, and stop any federal prosecutions of himself and his buddies. Let us hope that there will not be another health or other large scale crisis for him to bungle.
One can only hope Day One of the Trump administration he rescinds JFK's 1962 executive order allowing government employees to unionize. One can mark the rapid decline of this country and alienation of the people from their own government from that one act in 1962 forward.
This one act created a new class of Americans - those 100% invested in making sure any Democrat wins any election in order to keep handing more tax dollars only to themselves. Voting now for their own personal and direct benefit; and not for the good of the entire country.
Wow; that’s attributing a mountain of outcome from a molehill of enactment. As I’ve said elsewhere on this thread, the decline of this country in my view stems from other more influential and well-known decisions, starting with Reagan, his union-busting, his racism, his simple-minded amiably delivered anti-government rhetoric, and his “me first” approach to life.
As for who or what is now the party of selfishness and not for the common good, there can be little genuine controversy that it’s the Republicans, who pander to the wealthy and the corporate, exploit racism and division, defund education and ban books, make voting more difficult, appoint judges and administrators who are devoted to diminishing rights and increasing pollution and commerce, while weakening the middle class through union-busting in the public and private sectors.
Literally no Catholic I have ever encountered has thought of iodlizng Trump, they know he's ultimately a secular leader and the only one who can save is Christ.
Another absolutely delusional post!! … what’s sad is many of you deliberate denialists don’t even bother to try to come up with facts. It’s just the same old crap regurgitated over and over. A broken record of garbage conspiracy theories.
Mark Allen. I fail to see how it is delusional to posit that many democrat politicians might not fare well if subjected to the same scrutiny that the great Donald John Trump has suffered. My post denies nothing but asks questions which many Americans would like answered such as what is on the Hur tape that the Biden administration is protecting. How did Biden acquire his fortune on a politician's salary? What was on Hillary Clintons server. How did the Clintons amass their 100 million dollar fortune? How about an audit of the Clinton foundation. The point is that in the past political parties did not go after political opponents using the legal system but instead let the voters decide at the polls. That is changed now. The Democrat party can certainly dish it out. I would love to see if they can take a bit of their own medicine. If you do not like the same crap regurgitated over and over, I suggest you read the New York Times. You should find their vomit more palatable.
You lost me at “The great”. You also continue to dwell on laptops, tapes and embryo pizzas that amounted to NOTHING!!. The day you wake up and discontinue your conservative pity parties and conspiracy theory worshipping, then you can expect some reasonable discussions with normal people. Until then you continue to be a laughing stock. You desire credibility and believability when you support convicted criminals, bigots, racists, sexists, sociopaths, narcissists, draft dodgers, tax evaders, dictator worshipers and that’s not even getting to the lunacy of supporting absolute dopes like Marjorie Taylor Greene. Your Grand Old Disaster of a Party is dictated and defined by “The Great ALL THE ABOVE” and you morons expect for this country, let alone the world, to buy into anything you cultists believe in?. You had a reasonable conservative outlook during Reagan’s heyday and ever since then you nutjobs have been nothing short of a train wreck. But wait!!! Then your tribe decides they want to blame the so called “decay” of America on everything the Democrats and Liberals are, and are not, doing from politics to lifestyles. Of all the definitions attributed to conservatives and their GOP party that fits to a tee, it’s your overwhelmingly toxic hypocrisy and penchant for lying through your teeth. You people are a complete and unequivocal bunch of hypocrites and you’ve managed to get yourselves to be categorized as disgraceful traitors. YOU people did that!! No one else did. And now? The next several generations are going to have to waste their life’s ambitions and dreams cleaning up the disgraceful messes you MAGA scumbags left behind. There’s ZERO sympathy for you people.
You are a delusional fool. Nothing to admire about you. Willl you accept your second loss? Or will you attempt to storm the Capital with your fellow traitorous criminals again? I’d imagine so. Hopefully the Capital Police will be ready for you this time and place several of you in early graves where you’ll belong. Good luck.
There you go again. Your hatred of Republicans is clear. For the benefit of the readers of the Current please explain which policies of the beautiful Donald Trump were bad for you or bad for America. Also please educate us on how the policies of Biden have improved our lives. In this way you will be channeling some of your passion from hate to help.
You show the Emperor has no clothes- if decent hard working folks wanted an insurrection it would not have looked anything like the tragic clown show on Jan 6th- The masses have been brainwashed to believe the establishment- I do think it is fewer than it appears and I think the brainwashed are losing ground. People are beginning to wake up and see the concerted effort to target the most virtuous Americans and privilege the most vicious. This will not end well.
Ira, there it is, "incendiary drivel" and claiming it is revealing is unproductive. It can be demonstrated very easily that Jan 6 was not an insurrection. that is an abuse of speech. It has been proven that there were shenanigans with the voting process people are in jail because of it. repeating the party line or MSM narrative will not do for folks who have common sense. Decent hard-working folks do not just take false authority at its word. The masses of sheep brainwashed by the public schools do.
Old legal axiom: repeated anecdote does not create lawful testimony. I am surprised Ira is not aware of this, as he yet again tries to own the language.
Don’t forget the mysterious pipe bomber that magically disappeared Despite being one of the most surveilled streets with cameras & FBI present the corrupt FBI cannot track down the pipe bomber who set a “bomb” at a bench just outside the capitol. Reminds me of the cicaine baggie found in the most secure building in the US. The White House library, in the residence wing. A bag of cocaine with DNA on it magically appears. And they apparently “lost” the DNA evidence and the cameras weren’t working. Wow! Everyone from Biden to the secret service to the FBI are all incompetent morons? And these people are running and protecting the country? Do you feel safe?
The entire event was planned. The pipe bomb was the back up to evacuate the vote.
They tried very hard to remove VP Pence from the building so Pelosi would be in charge and could declare the vote herself without putting it back to the Electors. Pence, God bless him did not leave the Capitol.
As to the “insurrection” who was the sitting President, Trump? So were the unarmed citizens trying to violently overthrow Trump? Again the UNARMED citizens. This wasn’t a BLM, Antifa riot with weapons, fire bombs, bricks, etc….
So unarmed citizens were beaten and shot by armed police. Tiananmen square? The Dems using a playbook from their allies, the Chinese?
Trump told the people to go home peacefully. He was talking to the Democrats, FBI plants that arrived on the Ghost Buses. Ray Epps ever go to jail for his key role in that days events? Nope, he is a Democrat tool.
The Dems use KKK, BLM, Antifa, Pro Hamas to instigate violence to divide the people and bully their opponents into submission. Notice how top Dem donors are donating direct to Pro Hamas, and how they bailed out BLM rioters.
This is a war between Liars & the Truth. Good luck getting any honesty from Google & their buddies at CNN. You have to work to get to the truth. Just like Covid.
Yep the experimental mRNA drugs were declared to NOT be vaccines. The 9th District court finally stated what Fauci, the CDC, Gates etc have been saying since May 2021. The mRNA drugs do not do what they were specifically approved for. They do not prevent COVID. The mRNA drugs are fancy cold medicines, NyQuil. Meaning the FDA Approval was a lie and their approval should be revoked along with all immunity. Go ahead and look it up yourselves.
Back to the pipe bomber, how is it that no one can fund this person. But they know exactly which Republicans were at the capital? No one has turned in the bomber. But neighbors here in SB & Santa Ynez turn in their neighbors for being unarmed and being invited into the capitol.
I’m ashamed at the oriole allowing themselves to be manipulated to turn in their neighbors. Especially at how it has been proven the government and leaders have been lying to you. Russia Gate, Hunters laptop, cocaine in the White House library, an uncle eaten by canibals, missing over $20,000,000 spent on homeless, and here in SB City about $12,000,000 in debt.
Wow! Talk about incompetence or just pure lies to the people.
I looked it up. Seems like the mRNA vaccine (sorry, vaccine is more specific than 'drug') was pretty effective. Not 100% but in the 90s. I'm not sure I understand you compirosn to NyQuil. But yeah, the uncle eaten by cannibals is as nuts a choosing between an electric boat and shark as a way to die. They're both too old.
Not preventing COVID. Which is the specific reason stated in the FDA Emergency Use Authorization. And the specific reason stated in the FDA Full Approval of the Comirnaty.
It did not prevent the spread of the disease. It did not prevent “vaccinated” people from getting Covid. Evidenced by “vaccinated” people were still required to use masks and social distance despite being “protected” and “not infectious”.
After May 2021 when the CDC stopped tracking breakthrough cases the narrative started to changed. Those who got the experimental mRNA drugs started questioning why they were getting Covid. Again, the 9th District Court ruled the mRNA drugs are not vaccines.
Fauci, CDC Director Walensky, Bill Gates, etc started saying it will not prevent Covid or the spread but will lessen the symptoms. These people repeatedly stated those on tv, news interviews, etc….
So the drug treats the symptoms is what they were saying. That is cold medicine, NyQuil.
Cold medicines do not cure the disease. They ease the symptoms.
Fauci, CDC, the government’s new narrative is that the mRNA drugs ease the symptoms of Covid. Aka cold medicine.
Sales? Are you arguing against the 9th District Court of Appeals which found that the COVID mRNA drugs are not vaccines and that they do not prevent COVID or the spread of Covid?
Are you saying mRNA drugs prevented COVID and the spread of Covid?
Because that’s not what Fauci and the CDC are on record saying.
They’ve repeatedly stated the mRNA drugs do not prevent COVID, despite that being what they sold you in the beginning.
Yep, they lied.
What are you selling? Snake oil?
You are vaccinated, boosted? And you have never had Covid?
Are you current on your boosters? I believe you’re supposed to have 6 shots by now.
I honestly don’t think you read the ruling from the 9th District Court.
Nor did you read any of the FDA Approval letters.
And you apparently did not listen to Fauci himself or CDC Director Dr Walensky when they repeatedly stated the drugs do not prevent COVID, they do not prevent the spread of Covid.
But that’s ok, are you up to date with your boosters? The drugs efficacy wears off after 3-4 months. Meaning you’re supposed to take their drugs every 6 months. Hope you feel safe.
Just to be clear, the January 6th insurrection to overturn the free and fair election and the peaceful transfer of power was and is an act of treachery against the United States. Had it been a crowd of minorities trying to keep Barack Obama in power doing the same thing, you would have all been clamoring for the death penalty. You talk about how all these college students need to be expelled and prosecuted for their protests. Also what does Pelosi have to do with any of this? Just because she lead the charge too impeach Donald Trump a second time? Who by the way held a rally on January 6th and finished his speech by saying you guys all should march on Congress and stop me from losing.
Nancy Pelosi, and her family, are criminals…look at her wealth collection over her political career…haven’t you figure it out yet — it’s not about Trump’s “corruption”, it’s about you not finding out about their corruption…our government is owned & operated by (criminal) foreign entities…
I do not know if speaker Pelosi is a criminal. She certainly has not been convicted of a crime, unlike your boy. However I fully think that every Congress person is corrupt in the deepest sense. There is an ETF that tracks Nancy pelosi's investment that makes tons of money. There's also one for Ted Cruz that doesn't do quite as well. I think the main difference between you and me is that I think most of the Democrats are corrupt and I don't like them and wish there was a better alternative, but they sure are better than a flaming narcissist and his bootlickers.
insider trading is illegal —> thus, Nervous Nancy is a criminal (and no accountability further demonstrates our corrupt Justice Systems), BUT she has much bigger issues…
You’re correct, 90% of our elected officials at the federal level are totally owned, run by K Street, and their chains of commands...they're part of the corrupt machinery that extends beyond our borders...
as for Trump, he's just a man playing a role...what makes a good movie? Great Actors…the battlefield is still being prepared, yet we’re close…watch for more frequent & impactful exposures, day by day…drip, drip, drip —> flood…it will be the best of time and the worst of times…
PS. I've been blessed with daughters, but I have no boys
No one would have cared. Most people would have simply laughed it off, and the media would label it as a preservation of American democracy or something like that.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. I really do believe this crowd would have seriously assaulted, if not murdered, Speaker Pelosi and or Vice President Mike Pence if they caught them.
There is absolutely no proof to support your conclusion, Justin. Nothing. But this vivid image I can see is burned into your brain.
The whole flimsy "gallows" thing was a photo op ruse set up very early in the morning by an organized crew caught on camera now linked with the FBI building for an early am coffee break. Yet the Capitol Police refused to take it down this stage prop even hours ahead of the planned protest rally.
We still do not know who were planted agitators or opportunity-exploiting anarchists, because gut senses knows these were not "Trump supporters" Trump supporters were on camera trying to calm things down and yelling "Feds Feds Feds" when anyone did suggest violence.
Why did the Democrats refuse to open up the entire files of video surveillance cameras of that day. What prevents these being open and available even now - once the first recent releases did not corroborate the carefully planted Democrat narrative? Keep asking questions, Justin but make sure they are the right and open ended ones.
We absolutely do know, because there weren't any planned agitators. The opportunity exploiting anarchists deserve prison for treachery and they are getting it.
Ironically, Democrats do want every American to carry a union card.
Read the very last pages of the BLM Manifesto demands and it could not be made more clear: - all new jobs must be union jobs and all barriers to workplace unionization must be eliminated. Ka-ching!
This is the sum and substance of every Democrat operation and the one unifying theme that holds their seemingly disparate and often contradictory agenda together. Union-dominated command and control over every single tax dollar now confiscated from Americans. Test this theory out, and don't be surprised when you finally see the internal consistency it offers.
While I certainly would like to see a robust increase in union density in this country (it was about 35% at its peak), especially in the private sector, because it would restore the middle class, help raise consciousness and decrease income inequality, neither Dems nor Repubs have done very much to advance that cause. Any such increase would result in progress and equity.
No such thing as "income inequality", Ira. False premise to drive your movement. Yet again, you try to dress up wealth confiscation and wealth redistribution rather than encourage others to be more productive on their own instead of getting trapped in more Democrat vote-producing, lifetime welfare schemes.
What you call wealth redistribution, I call equity. Most non-union workers are underpaid, and the entrepreneurs make off like bandits. E.g., Bezos and Amazon, and other tech companies, Starbucks, too many hospitality corporations, car manufacturers endless others. Unions level the playing field, and help workers approach and receive the fair value for their work and contributions to the businesses’ profits. No one is sitting back, or advocating sitting back, except those who bolster the wealthy who clip coupons and enjoy their inheritances and off shore accounts.
Ira, yet again you start with the premise all wealth is the property of the Democrat party for them to choose who gets to keeps it and who gets to give it away. That is the fundamental difference between the two parties today.
But both parties do get to write the IRS tax code which is the final arbiter., depending on voter sentiment. That is what fundamentally undergirds the political divide today. I just wish Democrats would admit this, so progress could finally be made.
At the same time, it is hard to ignore government wealth distribution has a terrible track record of failure; where private investments and private philanthropy has been far more enduring in both it reach and benefit.
Even the always touted Social Security and Medicare in the hands of Democrats have turned into unsustainable and failed promises. Over-promised and underfunded government pensions are the most ruinous scams of all - a Ponzi scheme only for those who got in early. But a very unwelcome surprise for future generations who get stuck with the full amounts due and payable on their watch.
You should become a Carlist if you seek to oppose wealth inequality. Carlism support the rights of workers to unionize, to appeal for for wages, of people to live communally and are ultimately rooted in Catholic social teaching which emphasizes looking out for the poor and marginalized.
I appreciate that, and we have that much in common. I did a tiny bit of research on Carlism, and am not sure what it stands for today, but I don’t think I can bring myself to support a monarchy.
Well obviously a monarchy isn't ever going to be a thing in America, if even the social conservatives here are opposed to the ultra traditionalism and devoutly Catholic nature of the movement, doesn't mean one can't support its principles.
Do Carlists support unions sitting on both sides of the bargaining table, as now is the case in public sector union bargaining?
Public sector unions work to control the official now beholden for their union election support who now sit on one side, to bargain with themselves sitting on the other side. (Eg: Public sector unions - teachers unions, SEIU, UAW ...etc.)
Always dangerous to only say "unions" and not distinguish between public sector unions and private sector unions. One (public sector unions) is an insider shell game, and the other (private sector unions) still has some degree of arms-length bargaining integrity.
I haven’t been reading SB Current for very long, but this is by far the most unhinged collection of lies, scare tactics, bigotry, right-wing propaganda and irresponsible nonsense I’ve seen here, or anywhere other than X.
Failed argument fall back position #2: strings of personal insults.
We have a pretty tough skin by now Ira, since this has been going on since the early days of the Tea Party - which was always about limited government and fiscal restraint.
Yet in the hands of Democrats and their mocking bird media, the Tea Party movement was corrupted beyond all recognition. Yet the need for both - limited government and fiscal restraint - remains. That need can not be canceled, regardless of the patent strings of personal insults. Carry on. You do not expose us; you expose yourself.
Ira, you are clearly a very intelligent person, why do you just give condemnatory labels to the things you disagree with instead of refuting them with reason and facts? Are we to take your judgement as omniscient?
Not sure if my reply got through, but my response is that this article in particular does not deserve the time of day, much less the time it takes to offer a reasoned rebuttal, because it’s beyond the pale; virtually every sentence is a lie, and/or hyperbole, inflammatory and ultimately dangerous.
Ira, what is interesting to me is that 80%? of the articles here come across to me as just whiny victimhood. I'd like to read some success stories, things the new GOP has done and done well, etc. Most of these come across as a pity party and everyone chimes in about the their good old days.
Although a bit biased and cherry picking - at least the Mike Stoker piece talked about the good things he did at the EPA with the Trump administration. I still think overall they did more bad than good - but I didn't refute any of the wins he wrote about. And Stoker pretty much got shown the doon because they thought he was too bipartisan.
The GOP achieves little because it either compromises on its own socially conservative values all the while the Democrat party and various leftist/liberal groups play dirty and have no qualms about using any means necessary to enact their policiy changes. The left has won the culture war as conservatives can't even safeguard the lives of the unborn nationally.
You haven't seen very much then. I assure you there's much worse material out there, one that isn't rooted in facts, but rather the feelings and sympathies of pagan white supremacists among other types of people.
A truly "undemocratic" consequence of open borders is the creation of population-based voting districts. Districts getting one full vote when they send their elected official to the political body, but in fact that one full vote was gained representing districts that have very few actual legal and registered voters. Lines were drawn based solely on population numbers; not registered or legal voter numbers.
How many do we have right now in California? What about other states? How many do we have even in Santa Barbara right now after imposition of the mandated CVRA "district" election line drawing?
This feature has allowed Democrat party-supported open borders to create "rotten boroughs" which can be harvested for partisan with very little effort. We need to know more about them, and how they have been politicized in the past few election cycles. The closer our elections become, the more critical it is to understand the tie-breaking role these population-based "rotten borough" districts can become.
Everyone could see, as it happened, that the Capitol was being attacked by a mob. They wanted to hang the Vice President. Their team lost an election, they lost every case in court and their leader is and was a sore loser. Facts. not beliefs should drive decisions.
Everyone could see there was a peacefully milling crowd of protestor who were suddenly attacked by the Capitol Police (flash bangs and other crowd control projectiles) - that is the very moment this peaceful crowd did turn towards where the shots were coming from to protect others from getting injured; and did not run away.
One reason they did not want the fixed camera surveillance tapes released. Once you see this moment, you have to rethink the entire Democrat narrative about Jan 6. No one yet know how many planted agitators then took over this Capitol Police melee from that point forward because it was no longer a "Trump rally".
No on wanted to "hang the VP" - the silly gallows was a photo op stage set, not set up by Trump supporters and not removed by the Capitol police even though it had been standing since the very early morning hours as shown on surveillance tapes. Did the Capitol Police condone the images created by that fake stage set? . The mob had plenty of agitators and anarchists, after the long summer of violence in many blue cities - Portland and Seattle to name a few.
Simple tourists who couldn't find a bathroom so used the floors and walls. I'm sure you'll hear how what you saw was an FBI film production with lots of Antifa actors.
Oh dear, that old claim too - feces on the walls. Tell me who the planted agitators and anarchists were first, before you try to get more traction out of that isolated incident.
These folks, what were they doing? Crossing guards?
Stewart Rhodes, founder of the Oath Keepers, was sentenced to 18 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and other charges related to the Capitol attack .
Kelly Meggs, the leader of the Florida chapter of the Oath Keepers, was sentenced to 12 years in prison for seditious conspiracy .
Other Oath Keepers members like Jessica Watkins, Kenneth Harrelson, and Roberto Minuta received sentences ranging from 3 to 8.5 years for their roles in the conspiracy .
But let's not short change the proud boys. Lots of them are in the can too. Most notably Enrique Tarrio, their former chairman, was sentenced to 22 years in prison for seditious conspiracy.
Marauders roamed the Capitol. Trashed the Senate parliamentarian’s Office. Wielded Confederate flags in the Ohio Clock Corridor outside the Senate chamber. Ripped down the nameplate to the entrance of the office suite of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. Vandalized a statue of President Zachary Taylor. Carved "Murder the Media" in a Capitol doorway. Extremists defecated in the hallways, stomped in their own feces and tracked their excrement across the encaustic, Minton tiles
“January 6 was a miscalculation by a few Americans who were frustrated and upset knowing the election was stolen and there was nothing they could do about it.
But one thing it was not was an insurgency.”
——— ummm really?!!! …. Unreal.
You people will never learn. And sadly you’re going to continue to suffer your losses and frustrations until some day you learn to accept facts, truths and realities. It’s so obvious some of you “hardliners” are going to your graves continuing to believe your own lies and those from your mind-bending co-conspiracy counterparts. There’s warehouse loads of factual information and evidence proving otherwise and many of you still are convinced the earth is flat.
Here’s a sad reality conversation below:
“I ran into an old (former) friend at Lowe's last evening.
Him: How have you been? I haven't seen or heard from you in a while.
Me: Good, how are you guys?
Him: We're doing okay. You stopped returning my calls. I enjoyed our political banter.
Me: I didn't because I didn't consider it banter. I considered it me trying to help you escape the ocean of lies you were drowning in.
Him: (Chuckles) Maybe I didn't want to escape.
Me: Well, that's the most truth you've spoken in years, and that's exactly why I stopped taking your calls. You may want to drown but I don't want to watch. I'd rather remember the man you were before Trump.
He gave me an odd look, half sad, half angry.
Me: Good luck, (I turned to walk away), if the old you shows up, have him give me a call.
Him: No response.
I just don't care to save Trump Supporters from themselves anymore. I'm just done suffering fools.”
If for no other reason the 2020 election was invalid due to the unconstitutional change in election laws in swing states. The constitution clearly states that election law can only be changed by state legislature, not by courts, judges or governors and not with the exception for fabricated pandemics. The laws were changed in ways which would facilitate cheating such as greater mail in voting and relaxation of signature verification. If you recount the same bogus ballots and get the same count proves nothing. What about election inteference by collusion between American intelligence agencies and social media to bury and discredit the laptop story? Have you read Tiabi's Twitter files? There are many valid reasons to question the 2020 election but you like the outcome so you question nothing. You believe what you want and choose what is fact. I believe your ex friend is better off without you. Are you better off now than four years ago?
The argument that election rule changes were unconstitutional and/or unauthorized was repeatedly rejected by the courts, and has been thoroughly debunked. It is simply not true that early voting, or increased opportunities for mail-in voting (now supported by Trump, who himself voted that way in 2020) resulted in any genuine issue of fraud. It is, however, consistent with the pattern of Republican efforts to make voting more difficult, at least in places and among demographics that don’t favor them.
Courts refuse cases for lack of merit. Even Trump appointed judges courts. Your long tired conspiracy theories have been debunked years ago now with hard concrete facts that are readily available and proven as truth. There’s nothing that can be done to convince people who just are incapable of accepting the truth. You lost a free and fair election and no matter the facts, you still just can’t let go of the conspiracy theories. You can thank Trump and his minions for your new way of thinking void logic, facts and truth. Tough life to live.
Mark, none of this got "debunked". Hope you continue to learn from the others posters here who have tracked these issues in far more depth than you are currently demonstrating. Your responses today now sound wildly out of touch.
I’ve tracked it as well fella. So has several courts who have indeed debunked your nauseating claims of stolen election conspiracy theories. The only “in depth anything” from yourself and others is your in depth refusal to accept the truth. That’s it!!! Period!!. The facts have been presented to you ten fold for going on eight years. If you can’t accept the truth by now, no amount of facts will convince you to seek therapy and quit your delusions of grandeur. You denialists are old, tired and annoying. And quite frankly I’m glad you still suffer from cluelessness. You earned it!!.
If you can present undeniable evidence of stolen elections…. THEN PRESENT IT!!! … until then? The world is fed up with you morons.
Many of the cases failed for lack of evidence of wrongdoing. I doubt any of the Trump cases, in which he claimed he had the election (in that state) “stolen” from him, would have failed for lack of standing. I recall hearing reports of cases in which Giuliani was asked if he had evidence to support his assertions, and he started hemming and hawing.
At the initial stages of litigation, a complainant is given the benefit of the doubt, in the sense that the complaint’s factual allegations are initially accepted as true. Yet many of the cases were tossed at that early stage. On the other hand, if a complaining party wants the court to order relief (e.g., impounding ballots, reversal of results, recount, etc.), then the complaining party has to provide evidence. Trump’s lawyers had a lot of hot air, and very little else.
43,000 total votes separated the electoral vote counts for Biden against Trump. That is a very slim margin and it was delivered late at night under very dodgy circumstances that did deserve questioning and litigation. Standing and timeliness were key elements that prevented real review.
Also it was ...rumored. .. the self-confessed Biden Election Fraud Team ..had already committed most to the leading election law attorneys before the election who were therefore preemptively compromised from providing their expertise to anyone else.
It was a mini-reign of terror against any lawyer or firm who did undertake legal defense of the highly dubious election charges. It had instantly become a closed system and a very interesting time to recognize that every wrong does not have a legal right. Who expected so many real charges to be filed in what previously had been fairly straight forward election procedures, but vastly changed almost over night by "covid".
GOP forces are ready this time. It was very much a teaching moment and one of ultimately great harm to the nation. But as Harry Ried once said when caught lying about 2012 election Mitt Rommey's tax return dirty trick ... well, we won, didn't we? That became the Democrat now enduring election motto: ends justify the means.
What this amounts to is a iot of whining and zero basis for overturning the election. Trump was saying it was rigged long before voting started. Why didn’t he button up the lawyers? Was it because reputable lawyers didn’t want to work for him? In any event, the burden is on the party trying to deny the franchise to the majority, and Trump utterly failed, even before judges he appointed. And much of what the Trump lawyers labeled “dodgy” was a figment of their own paranoia. I do fear that the Trump fiction machine will be more amply equipped and fueled, and we will face another burgeoning insurrection when Trump loses yet again.
Why did the supreme court fail to hear Texas and other states claim to disenfranchisement due to the unconstitutional change of election law? Standing.
As you probably know, there were over 60 Trump challenges to the election, and Trump lost ALL of them. Not all were rejected on standing grounds. I’ll ask again: can you cite a single case in which any court anywhere found there was interference that warranted a change in the outcome?
Simply not true, Ira. Unlawful interference with state legislature constitutional mandates was rejected and overturned in the courts. Why continue with your cartoon arguments here?
Plus, GOP is now looking forward not backwards and is already on top of any more dirty tricks in this election; not trying to play catch up flat-footed like the past "covid" ginned up 2020 election debacle. That election did teach us how fragile our election processes can be. We are ready this time - we know where the leaky parts got exploited last time. No longer will this happen.
Yet there remain plenty of Democrat "election reform" loop holes that will continue to get exploited - like ballot harvesting and inaccurate voter registration roles. Zero tolerance against any possible election cheating is the only goal. Not there yet. But we will be.
Got any citations to court decisions relating to the 2020 election in which “interference” was rejected? Are you discrediting all the media reports saying that Giuliani and his lawyer legions contesting the elections in various states were consistently tossed out on their ears? (This article doesn’t really look forward, btw)
Yes, I’m aware of various Republican voter suppression initiatives, and they may work, sadly. But my best prediction is that we are heading for a reprise of 2020, with Trump losing yet again, getting crushed in the popular vote, losing the Electoral College, and yet again claiming that the election was rigged and stolen. This time Trump won’t be able to menace the sitting Veep, or the AG, though I’m sure he’s got some lawyers willing to gin up some new or revised bogus legal theories that escaped them in 2020-2021, and probably will be able to incite another riot.
Ira, why on earth do you even bring up the "crushed by popular vote" nonsense, when that was ginned-up as election theater mainly from ballot harvesting CA and NY. The very reason the Founder never wanted the mob rule of a "pure democracy". Thank goodness.
That "popular vote" rues was pure smoke-screen and/or intentional gas-lighthing . All calculated to shut down any real review of what was grievously was in error up and down the 2020. "covid" election.
Not sure why you trot out repeated 2020 cartoon imagery about Trump - No sale. I.e.: Pence threats; incitement of a riot; bogus legal theories. Facts not on the ground.
It only demonstrates you still find Trump a threat and cannot deal with him or his re-election.
Being a union lawyer, you should see a splendid future ahead for yourself and the many challenges that will soon be dropping on your lap, win, lose or draw. A deep state clean out will be a growth opportunity for any "employment law" lawyers .
And we shall let the dust shall settle, but it must be undertaken because it is the will of the people and what we have right now in the growth of Big Government, the unelected fourth branch of government with no checks and balances is out of control.
That is what Democrats are running against this year. Do we want more Deep State Big Government? Or do we want less Deep State Big Government?
The founders had different concerns and technology than we have, and there is no reason to perpetuate an unrepresentative electoral system that has its origins in slavery and property ownership Uber alles. Yes, I do regard the non compos mentis racist hooligan fraudster racist Trump, and his unethical lawyers as threats (except for the disbarred ones).
Please don’t assume that I’m motivated by the same transactional incentives that control Trump and his family and presumably your life. I have not litigated any of these election cases, and I appreciate the professionalism and expertise of those who do. As for the employment realm, I’d much prefer a set of circumstances where employees and unions are well-treated and are not faced with existential threats that might afford me and other lawyers a bit of filthy lucre attempting to salvage a crumb or two. There are many principles and values more important than making money, and I’m more than happy to trade a litigation opportunity for a fair, equitable and sustainable labor peace, especially one where Trump has no role, and is eating baloney sandwiches while attired in an orange jump suit.
Debunked is the claim Trump lost every election case. He did not, nor does every wrong yet have a legal remedy. But this is now we move forward, assessing where the legal weaknesses were present in the "covid" 2020 election, and what Catch 22 confounding legal barriers existed that were not able to be responsive to that very fast moving front that year. The "law" is never perfect and anticipatory of all events. It is a living entity.
Lessons were well learned from the 2020 experience, including the fact Nancy Pelosi needed a "national emergency" on Jan 6 to cram down an instant installation of Biden and cut off the legal reviews several states were requesting of their own state's certification process.
Wasn't that magical, Nancy Pelosi got just what she needed on Jan 6 - a declared national emergency. Who says there are no coincidences in politics - nope that was just divine intervention I guess.
Popular sovereignty/rule is a horrid concept, the idea that people can choose what is right and wrong while ignoring objective morality is asinine and insane. Democracy is a tool for those who seek social and moral decay.
More of your clueless denialism. There’s no question you have the ability to twist the facts to fit your narrative, but you still present ZERO proof of any facts supporting your claims. ZERO!! and I’ve read quite a bit of your retorts and conclusions. And you still haven’t a pot to piss in. You and your tribe lost as election you were wishing to win and for almost eight years you’ve been crying foul without one shred of evidence that can stand from being debunked. That’s why it’s pointless to try to convince annoying conspiracy theorists that facts “Trump” fiction.
Almost eight years of believing this garbage and you still can’t accept the truth. You and your cult are wrong! period!! And there’s far too much proof to prove your wrong. Sorry, can’t help you.
It's interesting. They keep on saying 'stolen election' like if they say it loud and often enough it will make it true. And they call dems 'sheep'. Who had the fake state electors in all of the following states?
You need to mourn the loss of a fair legal justice system, TJ. There were no "fake electors". Nor does a trial court ever act as the final arbiter of the law. This is basic stuff that should have been part of a good civics education.
The entire reason we have appeals courts at two levels beyond the trial courts is because it is a given trails courts may not be fair nor removed from personal prejudices.
We have seen this on both sides of the spectrum from Jim Crow courts in the South to what we are now seeing in the partisan prosecutorial abuse today against Trump and his supporters.
WOW! I am a turd sandwich and this is hard for even me to serve. The cognitive dissonance on this website is amazingly high. What I find extremely fascinating is how Trump does not give a shit about anyone but himself and the one thing he has done over the years is made that incredibly clear. It is amazing how you MAGA's have been able to shut off the critical thinking part of your brains. Trump could take a big shit right in your mouth, tell you it is the most amazing fudge ever made and you would eat it with a smile while saying this really is the best fudge ever made and I am so grateful for Trump to make this amazing fudge and share it with us. Wake up! there is inherent deception in all of politics but this smelly shit stain doesn't even make an attempt to hide it any more. But lucky for you MAGA's there is more Trump made fudge on the way, and remember Stalin's most stanch supporters ended up in the gulag's in mass numbers as well.
This is so true, and well written. Those who argue about what the author says are the same ones who will “pee on you leg, smile, and tell you it’s raining” as the old joke goes
True? Every time I come back from Mexico I get stuck in a line for an hour and have to take off motorcycle helmet for the scanner to work on my face. I guess the author is down checking other parts of the Mexican financed wall wasn't finished.
Mexico will "pay for the Wall" because it will cut off the flood of remittences sent back to Mexico by illegal border crossers.
Mexico "will pay for the Wall" because now they must pay for social services and education for their own citizens then instead dumped on America or allowed in under "chain" immigration once one child of illegal borders crossers is born in the US.
Mexico will "pay for the Wall" having to absorb the numbers of non-Mexican citizens flooding through their border state on their way to Biden's siren call of open border to the US, who are no longer allowed Biden's easy entrance.
Nice job retro engineering a statement.
Don't get stuck in your own snap judgements up front, TJ. Did you assume Mexico would write the US a check and pay for the Wall? Or did you overlook Trump actually plays chess five moves down the board, as many of us also are now finding out too.
Oh lord, really? Again, nice try at retro perspective. NO ONE thought that's what he ment.
Absolutely true
Pelosi ordered the destruction of all the Jan 6 materials because it was not an insurrection. An insurrection is an armed attempt to take over the government, which may be why the Demo's started lying by saying someone had a gun. When that was disproven, the best that they could do was to say someone held a flag on a pole that could be used as a weapon. Its not meeting the definition of an insurrection may be why the only place I have seen anyone charged with insurrection is in the main stream media: not in a court.
Nor did they ever reveal who theJan 6 photo-op planted agitators actually were. How many video surveillance shots of actual Trump supporters telling these outside agitators to stop the destruction or yelling them down as "Feds" were suppressed in the main stream media? What about the photos of Ashley Babbitt punching the guy who was trying to break the window in the corridor where she was fatally shot trying to get out of that violent melee?
What about the space aliens who were wearing the “stop the steal” cones on their cone heads.
I think that is a Democrat Goth Thing. You know, the thing. You will need to ask them, Mark.
Then explain what sources of energy and anti-gravitational forces they employed to make this journey into our inner space. And live to tell about it. Quite fascinating when one appreciates the known physics, at least to our universe, of the speculated tasks.
Your “thinking” is questionable at best, but I wasn’t there smashing out windows, throwing shit on the walls, waving confederate flags, trashing offices, chanting “Hang Mike Pence”, causing the deaths of capital police and making absolute traitorous losers out of themselves, all while assclowns in denial try to defend them for close to eight years. No! I wasn’t there to interview space aliens and ask questions about physics. If anyone was close to traitors and space aliens It would be your tribes members.
I think Trump has it in the bag for 2024. Thank you for sharing your opposition talking points.
Serious questions this time. What are you going to do when he loses again? Were you one of the Capital trespassers? Will you go again? Can you finally accept a loss? Can you finally learn to be an American and not this right wing delusional traitor?. Ive served this country under some horrible circumstances so even clueless morons can bitch and complain about conspiracy theories, but it gets really old and annoying when you and your fellow delusionals can’t handle the truth. All your hours and hours of so-call research and analysis, post after post after post with your fellow minions have awarded you nothing but the same results of zero credibility and zero evidence that proves you correct in any of your claims. It all reads well but produces nothing. Hasn’t produced credible evidence eight years ago and hasn’t now.
You should get a job forecasting elections.
Good luck with that “thinking” of yours. Worked well for you in 2020 as well. But thanks for the laughs … at your expense.
Jesus H Christ!!! Some of you people really need some serious mental help. And NO! that’s NOT a personal attack. It’s a sad fact. Way too much Fox tabloid news. Not sure the average age of most of you who post to this site but if you’re older you have less time to live in your self-made fantasy world you’ve created. But what a ride it’s been!!!
I think you are the only people still watching Fox News. Most conservatives have no use for their media theatrics. The "news" does not do well constrained in only a visual medium. Fox is a visual medium. Might want to stop wasting your time watching Fox News if you like other find it only shallow and/or upsetting. Enjoy if for what it is, but it is the foundation of nothing we are discussing here.
Yes, Fox News is a waste of time. Better off reading the oft cited “Epoch Times” often touted by Livingston. Such high journalism standards!
https://amp.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/jun/03/epoch-times-money-laundering-crypto-justice-department
I'm sure she has a reason the MSM is picking on them.
Honest question. I'm assuming the list would be long - but can you give us a handful of your top information sources?
You of all posters, should have figured already I wouldn’t be a “FOXTARD”. But sadly a vast majority of your fellow MAGA supporters are mesmerizing by right wing propaganda news outlets. Sadly one of the reasons you people have your wires tangled up so bad. Mainstream media has always been a godsend to the gullible.
Mark, I understand there is an opening down at Madame Rosinka's for another mind reader. Think about applying. I only conclude it is good to learn Fox News unglues so many leftists. Keep watching and commenting on Fox News for us Mark, since few of us even bother. Does the term infotainment have any meaning to you?
You forgot to include Fox Tabloid News unglues leftists but superglues Trumptard’s. As for infotainment? Yeah! that your “Rush Limbaugh (Elvis) has left the building” finally.
Rush like Hunter was an addict. Glad to they both worked on their devils.
Where is your evidence or information that Nancy Pelosi ordered the destruction of materials related to the January 6th Capitol attack?
Thomas, I remembered it. For those who do not, it took Mr. Googe less than three seconds to offer sources.
Ummm sure thing!! So then go get your proof, evidence, sources. We’ll all wait for you to gather it all up. Hurry up!! Let’s go!!
This is a good example of Ira's convcition by inference. Nancy Pelosi destroys government documents. The Hur tape is a government document. Therefore Nancy Pelosi is suspected to have destroyed the Hur tape.
A follows B leading to C - inference. Just like Trump is known by some as a crook, so therefore one can infer Trump is guilty of any crime charged. For the rest of his life. And to his kin in perpetuity. Easy peasy, when you get the hang of it.
Your attention to detailed delusions are noteworthy. You should run for local government or work as a clown at children’s birthday parties.
There is NONE!!! ZERO!!! ZIP!! … these clowns only dream this nonsense up while sleeping.
What brings you here, Mark. Is it a mission, a hobby, a time-filler, an exercise in futility or a moral crusade?
A small bit of each. But I wasn’t brought here, this clown show showed up in my email box and I made the mistake of reading a few of your fellow delusional counterparts posts and articles. Sadly I was entertained at first by the absolute cluelessness and adamant refusal to accept reality. Sometimes it’s entertaining to read this level of denial (and here’s credit somewhat) from what could be perceived as intelligent people. But sadly even smart people can be manipulated and driven to believe in conspiracy theories.
Very good article and good comments as well. The negative comments were very predictable and trying to answer them can be considered the same as spitting in the wind. I am not a "Trumper" as the
left like to portray anyone who will vote for him to dig us out of this mess that we are in but simply one of millions of Americans who believe that Mr. Trump, if he lives up to his pledges, will help repair the damage that is being done to our country. The terms of "racist" that is thrown around trying to intimidate people falls on deaf ears anymore. Too misused and too overused. One other thought that the article brings to mind when mentioning Pelosi is term limits! For ALL politicians. Monica
The Democrats have much to fear from a second Trump term as president. Do you think Biden's tax returns could withstand the scrutiny Trump's have received? What about Pelosi's brilliant stock picks? Let's have a look at FBI internal communication surrounding Jan 6th or with media regarding suppression of the laptop story. Let's have a look at Fauci's emails regarding the origin of covid or about natural immunity. Let's listen to Biden's interview with Hur. There is much of interest to the American people that is being protected by the Democrat party.
Expanding Schedule F and denying government pensions for cause scares deep state Democrat bureaucrats more than anything.
Thanks for clarifying. I had always wondered if the "deep state" boogie man was a third system. I guess it's dems? Or was it the old, now RINO, gop too? Honest question.
Neo-cons with strong ties to the US defense industry were not working in this countries best interests. Call them what you will.
RINO's are a bit of another breed. Old Guard - who have nostalgic appeal, but are no longer mainstream. And provided no counter-force today against the rapid US takeover by the now 22 million members of the tax-payer supported Big Government workforce, majority of which are government employ union members.
RINOs vs BigGovernment and their unions - not even a fair fight any longer.
Out of this losing imbalance of power emerged the populist Tea Party and now the MAGA movement. (Limited government and fiscal restraint) A normal reaction to the elitism and rapaciousness of the government employee unions mono-agenda. The pendulum continues to swing.
Thank you.
I agree…one of our biggest enemies & gatekeepers of Truth is the “Mainstream” media…much of the Truth is ignored and/or obscured and/or distorted by the Mockinbirds to maintain control of the herd, which puts US in a very dangerous state of affairs…
let's remember...the Holocaust didn't start with gas chambers...it started with one party controlling the media...one party controlling the message...one party deciding what is Truth…one party censoring speech and controlling the opposition...one party dividing citizens into "us" vs "them" and calling on their supporters to harrass "them"…
it started when good people turned a blind eye and let it happen...
OK, Jeff, if we're playing what about - what about fake electors sent to 7 swing states - that got caught? That was the FBI or Pelosi or Fauci?
They are called alternate electors and this is nothing new. It happened in Hawaii in 1960. They are chosen in the event that the vote count changes due to invalidation of votes with unconfirmed signatures for example. The electors were never counted. To call them fake is the game the Democrat party plays with language to create a false impression. As if these electors were covert impersonators infiltrating in disguise. This tactic seems to work on children and on other Democrats.
Ah, so can I send my electors to all the states this fall? But I wouldn't do that since so many of them are facing felony charges. How's Mark Meadows and your bud Rudy doing in that super blue state of Arizona? Oh, they must just have kids at the wheel there too.
Why are you intentionally misrepresenting the lawful process, TJ. What is your real agenda.
What am I misrepresenting? I think we all get the point I'm making. What is your real agenda - you first.
"Fake electors" as a criminal offense ... is your current misrepresentation. Rebuttal of partisan lies is my own motivation.
Sure, they wont be counted nor were Trump's alternate electors counted. This is NOT a crime.
To set up fake electors knowing that they were fraudulent is a crime. That’s what happened in 2020. This was not some good faith dispute about legitimacy; it was outright and knowing fraud, and hence, criminal. And if it’s not prosecuted, it will happen again.
How do you say Trump knew they were fraudulent? Is mind reading among your talents? What am I thinking now?
So why has Kenneth Chesebro plead guilty in Georgia? Can you do that for a fake crime? And all the current indictments? In seven states? All fake? Guess they're all kids there too. And I thought you were and engineer? Now your a lawyer? You know how you can tell the difference at a party in 5 minutes? Each one will come up and tell you what they are.
Tales of the prosecutorial extortions to get a "guilty plea" are already out there - plead this or we will go after you ...and your family.... for that, have been rife every since Michael Flynn's "guilty" plea. Do you need to read more widely, TJ?
Actually, ever since Obama spied on Trump in 2016 and the entire Russia-gate ruse was set up. Very ugly politics have been played out under the "color of law" these past few years. Who was running the real "insurrection" from the inside, TJ? Certainly not the Trump people.
No I am not a lawyer. I drove the little train at the zoo. Now I am a puppeteer.
Did Trump submit any tax returns? But yes, Pelosi's stock picks seem very 'lucky'. Check this out https://www.capitoltrades.com/trades
Still waiting DLD.
In February 2021, Trump's accounting firm Mazars provided the DA eight years of Trump's tax returns. In May 2019, Ways and Means Committee Chair Richard Neal requested six years of Trump's tax records; after appeals were exhausted, he received the documents on November 30, 2022.
OK, I thought you meant provided to the public.
Yes, a second Trump administration would be all about revenge and retribution, pandering to the wealthy, encouraging pollution, a return to union-busting, and ultimately attempting to enshrine Trump as Perpetual Leader. Of course he would pardon a host of the J6 insurrectionists, and stop any federal prosecutions of himself and his buddies. Let us hope that there will not be another health or other large scale crisis for him to bungle.
One can only hope Day One of the Trump administration he rescinds JFK's 1962 executive order allowing government employees to unionize. One can mark the rapid decline of this country and alienation of the people from their own government from that one act in 1962 forward.
This one act created a new class of Americans - those 100% invested in making sure any Democrat wins any election in order to keep handing more tax dollars only to themselves. Voting now for their own personal and direct benefit; and not for the good of the entire country.
Wow; that’s attributing a mountain of outcome from a molehill of enactment. As I’ve said elsewhere on this thread, the decline of this country in my view stems from other more influential and well-known decisions, starting with Reagan, his union-busting, his racism, his simple-minded amiably delivered anti-government rhetoric, and his “me first” approach to life.
As for who or what is now the party of selfishness and not for the common good, there can be little genuine controversy that it’s the Republicans, who pander to the wealthy and the corporate, exploit racism and division, defund education and ban books, make voting more difficult, appoint judges and administrators who are devoted to diminishing rights and increasing pollution and commerce, while weakening the middle class through union-busting in the public and private sectors.
There is no place for unions in government employment. Period.
Fortunately that is not the law.
Literally no Catholic I have ever encountered has thought of iodlizng Trump, they know he's ultimately a secular leader and the only one who can save is Christ.
Another absolutely delusional post!! … what’s sad is many of you deliberate denialists don’t even bother to try to come up with facts. It’s just the same old crap regurgitated over and over. A broken record of garbage conspiracy theories.
Mark Allen. I fail to see how it is delusional to posit that many democrat politicians might not fare well if subjected to the same scrutiny that the great Donald John Trump has suffered. My post denies nothing but asks questions which many Americans would like answered such as what is on the Hur tape that the Biden administration is protecting. How did Biden acquire his fortune on a politician's salary? What was on Hillary Clintons server. How did the Clintons amass their 100 million dollar fortune? How about an audit of the Clinton foundation. The point is that in the past political parties did not go after political opponents using the legal system but instead let the voters decide at the polls. That is changed now. The Democrat party can certainly dish it out. I would love to see if they can take a bit of their own medicine. If you do not like the same crap regurgitated over and over, I suggest you read the New York Times. You should find their vomit more palatable.
You lost me at “The great”. You also continue to dwell on laptops, tapes and embryo pizzas that amounted to NOTHING!!. The day you wake up and discontinue your conservative pity parties and conspiracy theory worshipping, then you can expect some reasonable discussions with normal people. Until then you continue to be a laughing stock. You desire credibility and believability when you support convicted criminals, bigots, racists, sexists, sociopaths, narcissists, draft dodgers, tax evaders, dictator worshipers and that’s not even getting to the lunacy of supporting absolute dopes like Marjorie Taylor Greene. Your Grand Old Disaster of a Party is dictated and defined by “The Great ALL THE ABOVE” and you morons expect for this country, let alone the world, to buy into anything you cultists believe in?. You had a reasonable conservative outlook during Reagan’s heyday and ever since then you nutjobs have been nothing short of a train wreck. But wait!!! Then your tribe decides they want to blame the so called “decay” of America on everything the Democrats and Liberals are, and are not, doing from politics to lifestyles. Of all the definitions attributed to conservatives and their GOP party that fits to a tee, it’s your overwhelmingly toxic hypocrisy and penchant for lying through your teeth. You people are a complete and unequivocal bunch of hypocrites and you’ve managed to get yourselves to be categorized as disgraceful traitors. YOU people did that!! No one else did. And now? The next several generations are going to have to waste their life’s ambitions and dreams cleaning up the disgraceful messes you MAGA scumbags left behind. There’s ZERO sympathy for you people.
You are a very angry man. I admire your passion. Will you leave the country when the totally fantastic Donald John Trump is elected in 2024?
You are a delusional fool. Nothing to admire about you. Willl you accept your second loss? Or will you attempt to storm the Capital with your fellow traitorous criminals again? I’d imagine so. Hopefully the Capital Police will be ready for you this time and place several of you in early graves where you’ll belong. Good luck.
There you go again. Your hatred of Republicans is clear. For the benefit of the readers of the Current please explain which policies of the beautiful Donald Trump were bad for you or bad for America. Also please educate us on how the policies of Biden have improved our lives. In this way you will be channeling some of your passion from hate to help.
You show the Emperor has no clothes- if decent hard working folks wanted an insurrection it would not have looked anything like the tragic clown show on Jan 6th- The masses have been brainwashed to believe the establishment- I do think it is fewer than it appears and I think the brainwashed are losing ground. People are beginning to wake up and see the concerted effort to target the most virtuous Americans and privilege the most vicious. This will not end well.
The fact that you praise this incendiary drivel is revealing.
Ira, there it is, "incendiary drivel" and claiming it is revealing is unproductive. It can be demonstrated very easily that Jan 6 was not an insurrection. that is an abuse of speech. It has been proven that there were shenanigans with the voting process people are in jail because of it. repeating the party line or MSM narrative will not do for folks who have common sense. Decent hard-working folks do not just take false authority at its word. The masses of sheep brainwashed by the public schools do.
Old legal axiom: repeated anecdote does not create lawful testimony. I am surprised Ira is not aware of this, as he yet again tries to own the language.
What ever happened to Ray Epps?
Well written and so true. I’m praying the American people see all this and vote accordingly this Nov. 🙏🥰🙏🇺🇸
Don’t forget the mysterious pipe bomber that magically disappeared Despite being one of the most surveilled streets with cameras & FBI present the corrupt FBI cannot track down the pipe bomber who set a “bomb” at a bench just outside the capitol. Reminds me of the cicaine baggie found in the most secure building in the US. The White House library, in the residence wing. A bag of cocaine with DNA on it magically appears. And they apparently “lost” the DNA evidence and the cameras weren’t working. Wow! Everyone from Biden to the secret service to the FBI are all incompetent morons? And these people are running and protecting the country? Do you feel safe?
The entire event was planned. The pipe bomb was the back up to evacuate the vote.
They tried very hard to remove VP Pence from the building so Pelosi would be in charge and could declare the vote herself without putting it back to the Electors. Pence, God bless him did not leave the Capitol.
As to the “insurrection” who was the sitting President, Trump? So were the unarmed citizens trying to violently overthrow Trump? Again the UNARMED citizens. This wasn’t a BLM, Antifa riot with weapons, fire bombs, bricks, etc….
So unarmed citizens were beaten and shot by armed police. Tiananmen square? The Dems using a playbook from their allies, the Chinese?
Trump told the people to go home peacefully. He was talking to the Democrats, FBI plants that arrived on the Ghost Buses. Ray Epps ever go to jail for his key role in that days events? Nope, he is a Democrat tool.
The Dems use KKK, BLM, Antifa, Pro Hamas to instigate violence to divide the people and bully their opponents into submission. Notice how top Dem donors are donating direct to Pro Hamas, and how they bailed out BLM rioters.
This is a war between Liars & the Truth. Good luck getting any honesty from Google & their buddies at CNN. You have to work to get to the truth. Just like Covid.
Yep the experimental mRNA drugs were declared to NOT be vaccines. The 9th District court finally stated what Fauci, the CDC, Gates etc have been saying since May 2021. The mRNA drugs do not do what they were specifically approved for. They do not prevent COVID. The mRNA drugs are fancy cold medicines, NyQuil. Meaning the FDA Approval was a lie and their approval should be revoked along with all immunity. Go ahead and look it up yourselves.
Back to the pipe bomber, how is it that no one can fund this person. But they know exactly which Republicans were at the capital? No one has turned in the bomber. But neighbors here in SB & Santa Ynez turn in their neighbors for being unarmed and being invited into the capitol.
I’m ashamed at the oriole allowing themselves to be manipulated to turn in their neighbors. Especially at how it has been proven the government and leaders have been lying to you. Russia Gate, Hunters laptop, cocaine in the White House library, an uncle eaten by canibals, missing over $20,000,000 spent on homeless, and here in SB City about $12,000,000 in debt.
Wow! Talk about incompetence or just pure lies to the people.
I looked it up. Seems like the mRNA vaccine (sorry, vaccine is more specific than 'drug') was pretty effective. Not 100% but in the 90s. I'm not sure I understand you compirosn to NyQuil. But yeah, the uncle eaten by cannibals is as nuts a choosing between an electric boat and shark as a way to die. They're both too old.
What was it effective for?
Not preventing COVID. Which is the specific reason stated in the FDA Emergency Use Authorization. And the specific reason stated in the FDA Full Approval of the Comirnaty.
It did not prevent the spread of the disease. It did not prevent “vaccinated” people from getting Covid. Evidenced by “vaccinated” people were still required to use masks and social distance despite being “protected” and “not infectious”.
After May 2021 when the CDC stopped tracking breakthrough cases the narrative started to changed. Those who got the experimental mRNA drugs started questioning why they were getting Covid. Again, the 9th District Court ruled the mRNA drugs are not vaccines.
Fauci, CDC Director Walensky, Bill Gates, etc started saying it will not prevent Covid or the spread but will lessen the symptoms. These people repeatedly stated those on tv, news interviews, etc….
So the drug treats the symptoms is what they were saying. That is cold medicine, NyQuil.
Cold medicines do not cure the disease. They ease the symptoms.
Fauci, CDC, the government’s new narrative is that the mRNA drugs ease the symptoms of Covid. Aka cold medicine.
Any science background in your training? Or just sales? You wouldn't want anyone with out some engineering skills to say a bridge doesn't work.
Here the original video
https://youtu.be/omrVpA14FpY?si=wOPyTTZ5ZlG_ngf0
Here is the most basic explanation of a Covid shot. Hope you understand the idiocracy of our government tyranny and lies. And laugh a little bit.
https://youtu.be/GukIoZ8d3Ew?si=9pTDLN7ILXxnCHHx
Sales? Are you arguing against the 9th District Court of Appeals which found that the COVID mRNA drugs are not vaccines and that they do not prevent COVID or the spread of Covid?
Are you saying mRNA drugs prevented COVID and the spread of Covid?
Because that’s not what Fauci and the CDC are on record saying.
They’ve repeatedly stated the mRNA drugs do not prevent COVID, despite that being what they sold you in the beginning.
Yep, they lied.
What are you selling? Snake oil?
You are vaccinated, boosted? And you have never had Covid?
Are you current on your boosters? I believe you’re supposed to have 6 shots by now.
I honestly don't think you understand enough to comment on vaccinations. I think we're done here.
I honestly don’t think you read the ruling from the 9th District Court.
Nor did you read any of the FDA Approval letters.
And you apparently did not listen to Fauci himself or CDC Director Dr Walensky when they repeatedly stated the drugs do not prevent COVID, they do not prevent the spread of Covid.
But that’s ok, are you up to date with your boosters? The drugs efficacy wears off after 3-4 months. Meaning you’re supposed to take their drugs every 6 months. Hope you feel safe.
Just to be clear, the January 6th insurrection to overturn the free and fair election and the peaceful transfer of power was and is an act of treachery against the United States. Had it been a crowd of minorities trying to keep Barack Obama in power doing the same thing, you would have all been clamoring for the death penalty. You talk about how all these college students need to be expelled and prosecuted for their protests. Also what does Pelosi have to do with any of this? Just because she lead the charge too impeach Donald Trump a second time? Who by the way held a rally on January 6th and finished his speech by saying you guys all should march on Congress and stop me from losing.
Nancy Pelosi, and her family, are criminals…look at her wealth collection over her political career…haven’t you figure it out yet — it’s not about Trump’s “corruption”, it’s about you not finding out about their corruption…our government is owned & operated by (criminal) foreign entities…
I do not know if speaker Pelosi is a criminal. She certainly has not been convicted of a crime, unlike your boy. However I fully think that every Congress person is corrupt in the deepest sense. There is an ETF that tracks Nancy pelosi's investment that makes tons of money. There's also one for Ted Cruz that doesn't do quite as well. I think the main difference between you and me is that I think most of the Democrats are corrupt and I don't like them and wish there was a better alternative, but they sure are better than a flaming narcissist and his bootlickers.
insider trading is illegal —> thus, Nervous Nancy is a criminal (and no accountability further demonstrates our corrupt Justice Systems), BUT she has much bigger issues…
You’re correct, 90% of our elected officials at the federal level are totally owned, run by K Street, and their chains of commands...they're part of the corrupt machinery that extends beyond our borders...
as for Trump, he's just a man playing a role...what makes a good movie? Great Actors…the battlefield is still being prepared, yet we’re close…watch for more frequent & impactful exposures, day by day…drip, drip, drip —> flood…it will be the best of time and the worst of times…
PS. I've been blessed with daughters, but I have no boys
No one would have cared. Most people would have simply laughed it off, and the media would label it as a preservation of American democracy or something like that.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. I really do believe this crowd would have seriously assaulted, if not murdered, Speaker Pelosi and or Vice President Mike Pence if they caught them.
There is absolutely no proof to support your conclusion, Justin. Nothing. But this vivid image I can see is burned into your brain.
The whole flimsy "gallows" thing was a photo op ruse set up very early in the morning by an organized crew caught on camera now linked with the FBI building for an early am coffee break. Yet the Capitol Police refused to take it down this stage prop even hours ahead of the planned protest rally.
We still do not know who were planted agitators or opportunity-exploiting anarchists, because gut senses knows these were not "Trump supporters" Trump supporters were on camera trying to calm things down and yelling "Feds Feds Feds" when anyone did suggest violence.
Why did the Democrats refuse to open up the entire files of video surveillance cameras of that day. What prevents these being open and available even now - once the first recent releases did not corroborate the carefully planted Democrat narrative? Keep asking questions, Justin but make sure they are the right and open ended ones.
We absolutely do know, because there weren't any planned agitators. The opportunity exploiting anarchists deserve prison for treachery and they are getting it.
Huh?
Ironically, Democrats do want every American to carry a union card.
Read the very last pages of the BLM Manifesto demands and it could not be made more clear: - all new jobs must be union jobs and all barriers to workplace unionization must be eliminated. Ka-ching!
This is the sum and substance of every Democrat operation and the one unifying theme that holds their seemingly disparate and often contradictory agenda together. Union-dominated command and control over every single tax dollar now confiscated from Americans. Test this theory out, and don't be surprised when you finally see the internal consistency it offers.
While I certainly would like to see a robust increase in union density in this country (it was about 35% at its peak), especially in the private sector, because it would restore the middle class, help raise consciousness and decrease income inequality, neither Dems nor Repubs have done very much to advance that cause. Any such increase would result in progress and equity.
No such thing as "income inequality", Ira. False premise to drive your movement. Yet again, you try to dress up wealth confiscation and wealth redistribution rather than encourage others to be more productive on their own instead of getting trapped in more Democrat vote-producing, lifetime welfare schemes.
What you call wealth redistribution, I call equity. Most non-union workers are underpaid, and the entrepreneurs make off like bandits. E.g., Bezos and Amazon, and other tech companies, Starbucks, too many hospitality corporations, car manufacturers endless others. Unions level the playing field, and help workers approach and receive the fair value for their work and contributions to the businesses’ profits. No one is sitting back, or advocating sitting back, except those who bolster the wealthy who clip coupons and enjoy their inheritances and off shore accounts.
Ira, yet again you start with the premise all wealth is the property of the Democrat party for them to choose who gets to keeps it and who gets to give it away. That is the fundamental difference between the two parties today.
But both parties do get to write the IRS tax code which is the final arbiter., depending on voter sentiment. That is what fundamentally undergirds the political divide today. I just wish Democrats would admit this, so progress could finally be made.
At the same time, it is hard to ignore government wealth distribution has a terrible track record of failure; where private investments and private philanthropy has been far more enduring in both it reach and benefit.
Even the always touted Social Security and Medicare in the hands of Democrats have turned into unsustainable and failed promises. Over-promised and underfunded government pensions are the most ruinous scams of all - a Ponzi scheme only for those who got in early. But a very unwelcome surprise for future generations who get stuck with the full amounts due and payable on their watch.
You should become a Carlist if you seek to oppose wealth inequality. Carlism support the rights of workers to unionize, to appeal for for wages, of people to live communally and are ultimately rooted in Catholic social teaching which emphasizes looking out for the poor and marginalized.
I appreciate that, and we have that much in common. I did a tiny bit of research on Carlism, and am not sure what it stands for today, but I don’t think I can bring myself to support a monarchy.
Well obviously a monarchy isn't ever going to be a thing in America, if even the social conservatives here are opposed to the ultra traditionalism and devoutly Catholic nature of the movement, doesn't mean one can't support its principles.
Do Carlists support unions sitting on both sides of the bargaining table, as now is the case in public sector union bargaining?
Public sector unions work to control the official now beholden for their union election support who now sit on one side, to bargain with themselves sitting on the other side. (Eg: Public sector unions - teachers unions, SEIU, UAW ...etc.)
Always dangerous to only say "unions" and not distinguish between public sector unions and private sector unions. One (public sector unions) is an insider shell game, and the other (private sector unions) still has some degree of arms-length bargaining integrity.
I haven’t been reading SB Current for very long, but this is by far the most unhinged collection of lies, scare tactics, bigotry, right-wing propaganda and irresponsible nonsense I’ve seen here, or anywhere other than X.
Then don't read.
SB Current is spot on all their articles….
Failed argument fall back position #2: strings of personal insults.
We have a pretty tough skin by now Ira, since this has been going on since the early days of the Tea Party - which was always about limited government and fiscal restraint.
Yet in the hands of Democrats and their mocking bird media, the Tea Party movement was corrupted beyond all recognition. Yet the need for both - limited government and fiscal restraint - remains. That need can not be canceled, regardless of the patent strings of personal insults. Carry on. You do not expose us; you expose yourself.
Ira, you are clearly a very intelligent person, why do you just give condemnatory labels to the things you disagree with instead of refuting them with reason and facts? Are we to take your judgement as omniscient?
Not sure if my reply got through, but my response is that this article in particular does not deserve the time of day, much less the time it takes to offer a reasoned rebuttal, because it’s beyond the pale; virtually every sentence is a lie, and/or hyperbole, inflammatory and ultimately dangerous.
Ira, what is interesting to me is that 80%? of the articles here come across to me as just whiny victimhood. I'd like to read some success stories, things the new GOP has done and done well, etc. Most of these come across as a pity party and everyone chimes in about the their good old days.
Although a bit biased and cherry picking - at least the Mike Stoker piece talked about the good things he did at the EPA with the Trump administration. I still think overall they did more bad than good - but I didn't refute any of the wins he wrote about. And Stoker pretty much got shown the doon because they thought he was too bipartisan.
Your eyes, ears and comprehension are failing you, TJ. Your problem; not ours.
That's kind of a funny statement when you consider the age demographic of most us posting here. Glad cataract surgery gave me one good eye.
The GOP achieves little because it either compromises on its own socially conservative values all the while the Democrat party and various leftist/liberal groups play dirty and have no qualms about using any means necessary to enact their policiy changes. The left has won the culture war as conservatives can't even safeguard the lives of the unborn nationally.
You haven't seen very much then. I assure you there's much worse material out there, one that isn't rooted in facts, but rather the feelings and sympathies of pagan white supremacists among other types of people.
That’s not comforting, but good to know!
A truly "undemocratic" consequence of open borders is the creation of population-based voting districts. Districts getting one full vote when they send their elected official to the political body, but in fact that one full vote was gained representing districts that have very few actual legal and registered voters. Lines were drawn based solely on population numbers; not registered or legal voter numbers.
How many do we have right now in California? What about other states? How many do we have even in Santa Barbara right now after imposition of the mandated CVRA "district" election line drawing?
This feature has allowed Democrat party-supported open borders to create "rotten boroughs" which can be harvested for partisan with very little effort. We need to know more about them, and how they have been politicized in the past few election cycles. The closer our elections become, the more critical it is to understand the tie-breaking role these population-based "rotten borough" districts can become.
Everyone could see, as it happened, that the Capitol was being attacked by a mob. They wanted to hang the Vice President. Their team lost an election, they lost every case in court and their leader is and was a sore loser. Facts. not beliefs should drive decisions.
Everyone could see there was a peacefully milling crowd of protestor who were suddenly attacked by the Capitol Police (flash bangs and other crowd control projectiles) - that is the very moment this peaceful crowd did turn towards where the shots were coming from to protect others from getting injured; and did not run away.
One reason they did not want the fixed camera surveillance tapes released. Once you see this moment, you have to rethink the entire Democrat narrative about Jan 6. No one yet know how many planted agitators then took over this Capitol Police melee from that point forward because it was no longer a "Trump rally".
How about all the Dem and GOP congress people running around like scared children in the videos? Was that because lunch was late?
No on wanted to "hang the VP" - the silly gallows was a photo op stage set, not set up by Trump supporters and not removed by the Capitol police even though it had been standing since the very early morning hours as shown on surveillance tapes. Did the Capitol Police condone the images created by that fake stage set? . The mob had plenty of agitators and anarchists, after the long summer of violence in many blue cities - Portland and Seattle to name a few.
Sounds a lot like Hannity.
Hannity is a blowhard. How can you stand listening to him?
Simple tourists who couldn't find a bathroom so used the floors and walls. I'm sure you'll hear how what you saw was an FBI film production with lots of Antifa actors.
Oh dear, that old claim too - feces on the walls. Tell me who the planted agitators and anarchists were first, before you try to get more traction out of that isolated incident.
These folks, what were they doing? Crossing guards?
Stewart Rhodes, founder of the Oath Keepers, was sentenced to 18 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and other charges related to the Capitol attack .
Kelly Meggs, the leader of the Florida chapter of the Oath Keepers, was sentenced to 12 years in prison for seditious conspiracy .
Other Oath Keepers members like Jessica Watkins, Kenneth Harrelson, and Roberto Minuta received sentences ranging from 3 to 8.5 years for their roles in the conspiracy .
But let's not short change the proud boys. Lots of them are in the can too. Most notably Enrique Tarrio, their former chairman, was sentenced to 22 years in prison for seditious conspiracy.
I guess Fox news isn't credible anymore either. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/jan-6-under-the-capitol-dome-the-darkest-entry-yet-in-clios-tablet
Marauders roamed the Capitol. Trashed the Senate parliamentarian’s Office. Wielded Confederate flags in the Ohio Clock Corridor outside the Senate chamber. Ripped down the nameplate to the entrance of the office suite of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. Vandalized a statue of President Zachary Taylor. Carved "Murder the Media" in a Capitol doorway. Extremists defecated in the hallways, stomped in their own feces and tracked their excrement across the encaustic, Minton tiles
still waiting J. Livingston for any sort of blah blah about fox saying there was shit.
“January 6 was a miscalculation by a few Americans who were frustrated and upset knowing the election was stolen and there was nothing they could do about it.
But one thing it was not was an insurgency.”
——— ummm really?!!! …. Unreal.
You people will never learn. And sadly you’re going to continue to suffer your losses and frustrations until some day you learn to accept facts, truths and realities. It’s so obvious some of you “hardliners” are going to your graves continuing to believe your own lies and those from your mind-bending co-conspiracy counterparts. There’s warehouse loads of factual information and evidence proving otherwise and many of you still are convinced the earth is flat.
Here’s a sad reality conversation below:
“I ran into an old (former) friend at Lowe's last evening.
Him: How have you been? I haven't seen or heard from you in a while.
Me: Good, how are you guys?
Him: We're doing okay. You stopped returning my calls. I enjoyed our political banter.
Me: I didn't because I didn't consider it banter. I considered it me trying to help you escape the ocean of lies you were drowning in.
Him: (Chuckles) Maybe I didn't want to escape.
Me: Well, that's the most truth you've spoken in years, and that's exactly why I stopped taking your calls. You may want to drown but I don't want to watch. I'd rather remember the man you were before Trump.
He gave me an odd look, half sad, half angry.
Me: Good luck, (I turned to walk away), if the old you shows up, have him give me a call.
Him: No response.
I just don't care to save Trump Supporters from themselves anymore. I'm just done suffering fools.”
— Proud Navy Veteran on X(Twitter)
If for no other reason the 2020 election was invalid due to the unconstitutional change in election laws in swing states. The constitution clearly states that election law can only be changed by state legislature, not by courts, judges or governors and not with the exception for fabricated pandemics. The laws were changed in ways which would facilitate cheating such as greater mail in voting and relaxation of signature verification. If you recount the same bogus ballots and get the same count proves nothing. What about election inteference by collusion between American intelligence agencies and social media to bury and discredit the laptop story? Have you read Tiabi's Twitter files? There are many valid reasons to question the 2020 election but you like the outcome so you question nothing. You believe what you want and choose what is fact. I believe your ex friend is better off without you. Are you better off now than four years ago?
The argument that election rule changes were unconstitutional and/or unauthorized was repeatedly rejected by the courts, and has been thoroughly debunked. It is simply not true that early voting, or increased opportunities for mail-in voting (now supported by Trump, who himself voted that way in 2020) resulted in any genuine issue of fraud. It is, however, consistent with the pattern of Republican efforts to make voting more difficult, at least in places and among demographics that don’t favor them.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/oct/15/steve-scalises-flawed-argument-states-didnt-follow/
Well you claim to be a lawyer yet you should know that if a court refuses to hear a case does not reflect on the merits. Standing for example.
Courts refuse cases for lack of merit. Even Trump appointed judges courts. Your long tired conspiracy theories have been debunked years ago now with hard concrete facts that are readily available and proven as truth. There’s nothing that can be done to convince people who just are incapable of accepting the truth. You lost a free and fair election and no matter the facts, you still just can’t let go of the conspiracy theories. You can thank Trump and his minions for your new way of thinking void logic, facts and truth. Tough life to live.
Mark, none of this got "debunked". Hope you continue to learn from the others posters here who have tracked these issues in far more depth than you are currently demonstrating. Your responses today now sound wildly out of touch.
I’ve tracked it as well fella. So has several courts who have indeed debunked your nauseating claims of stolen election conspiracy theories. The only “in depth anything” from yourself and others is your in depth refusal to accept the truth. That’s it!!! Period!!. The facts have been presented to you ten fold for going on eight years. If you can’t accept the truth by now, no amount of facts will convince you to seek therapy and quit your delusions of grandeur. You denialists are old, tired and annoying. And quite frankly I’m glad you still suffer from cluelessness. You earned it!!.
If you can present undeniable evidence of stolen elections…. THEN PRESENT IT!!! … until then? The world is fed up with you morons.
Many of the cases failed for lack of evidence of wrongdoing. I doubt any of the Trump cases, in which he claimed he had the election (in that state) “stolen” from him, would have failed for lack of standing. I recall hearing reports of cases in which Giuliani was asked if he had evidence to support his assertions, and he started hemming and hawing.
At the initial stages of litigation, a complainant is given the benefit of the doubt, in the sense that the complaint’s factual allegations are initially accepted as true. Yet many of the cases were tossed at that early stage. On the other hand, if a complaining party wants the court to order relief (e.g., impounding ballots, reversal of results, recount, etc.), then the complaining party has to provide evidence. Trump’s lawyers had a lot of hot air, and very little else.
43,000 total votes separated the electoral vote counts for Biden against Trump. That is a very slim margin and it was delivered late at night under very dodgy circumstances that did deserve questioning and litigation. Standing and timeliness were key elements that prevented real review.
Also it was ...rumored. .. the self-confessed Biden Election Fraud Team ..had already committed most to the leading election law attorneys before the election who were therefore preemptively compromised from providing their expertise to anyone else.
It was a mini-reign of terror against any lawyer or firm who did undertake legal defense of the highly dubious election charges. It had instantly become a closed system and a very interesting time to recognize that every wrong does not have a legal right. Who expected so many real charges to be filed in what previously had been fairly straight forward election procedures, but vastly changed almost over night by "covid".
GOP forces are ready this time. It was very much a teaching moment and one of ultimately great harm to the nation. But as Harry Ried once said when caught lying about 2012 election Mitt Rommey's tax return dirty trick ... well, we won, didn't we? That became the Democrat now enduring election motto: ends justify the means.
What this amounts to is a iot of whining and zero basis for overturning the election. Trump was saying it was rigged long before voting started. Why didn’t he button up the lawyers? Was it because reputable lawyers didn’t want to work for him? In any event, the burden is on the party trying to deny the franchise to the majority, and Trump utterly failed, even before judges he appointed. And much of what the Trump lawyers labeled “dodgy” was a figment of their own paranoia. I do fear that the Trump fiction machine will be more amply equipped and fueled, and we will face another burgeoning insurrection when Trump loses yet again.
Why did the supreme court fail to hear Texas and other states claim to disenfranchisement due to the unconstitutional change of election law? Standing.
As you probably know, there were over 60 Trump challenges to the election, and Trump lost ALL of them. Not all were rejected on standing grounds. I’ll ask again: can you cite a single case in which any court anywhere found there was interference that warranted a change in the outcome?
Simply not true, Ira. Unlawful interference with state legislature constitutional mandates was rejected and overturned in the courts. Why continue with your cartoon arguments here?
Plus, GOP is now looking forward not backwards and is already on top of any more dirty tricks in this election; not trying to play catch up flat-footed like the past "covid" ginned up 2020 election debacle. That election did teach us how fragile our election processes can be. We are ready this time - we know where the leaky parts got exploited last time. No longer will this happen.
Yet there remain plenty of Democrat "election reform" loop holes that will continue to get exploited - like ballot harvesting and inaccurate voter registration roles. Zero tolerance against any possible election cheating is the only goal. Not there yet. But we will be.
Got any citations to court decisions relating to the 2020 election in which “interference” was rejected? Are you discrediting all the media reports saying that Giuliani and his lawyer legions contesting the elections in various states were consistently tossed out on their ears? (This article doesn’t really look forward, btw)
Yes, I’m aware of various Republican voter suppression initiatives, and they may work, sadly. But my best prediction is that we are heading for a reprise of 2020, with Trump losing yet again, getting crushed in the popular vote, losing the Electoral College, and yet again claiming that the election was rigged and stolen. This time Trump won’t be able to menace the sitting Veep, or the AG, though I’m sure he’s got some lawyers willing to gin up some new or revised bogus legal theories that escaped them in 2020-2021, and probably will be able to incite another riot.
Ira, why on earth do you even bring up the "crushed by popular vote" nonsense, when that was ginned-up as election theater mainly from ballot harvesting CA and NY. The very reason the Founder never wanted the mob rule of a "pure democracy". Thank goodness.
That "popular vote" rues was pure smoke-screen and/or intentional gas-lighthing . All calculated to shut down any real review of what was grievously was in error up and down the 2020. "covid" election.
Not sure why you trot out repeated 2020 cartoon imagery about Trump - No sale. I.e.: Pence threats; incitement of a riot; bogus legal theories. Facts not on the ground.
It only demonstrates you still find Trump a threat and cannot deal with him or his re-election.
Being a union lawyer, you should see a splendid future ahead for yourself and the many challenges that will soon be dropping on your lap, win, lose or draw. A deep state clean out will be a growth opportunity for any "employment law" lawyers .
And we shall let the dust shall settle, but it must be undertaken because it is the will of the people and what we have right now in the growth of Big Government, the unelected fourth branch of government with no checks and balances is out of control.
That is what Democrats are running against this year. Do we want more Deep State Big Government? Or do we want less Deep State Big Government?
The founders had different concerns and technology than we have, and there is no reason to perpetuate an unrepresentative electoral system that has its origins in slavery and property ownership Uber alles. Yes, I do regard the non compos mentis racist hooligan fraudster racist Trump, and his unethical lawyers as threats (except for the disbarred ones).
Please don’t assume that I’m motivated by the same transactional incentives that control Trump and his family and presumably your life. I have not litigated any of these election cases, and I appreciate the professionalism and expertise of those who do. As for the employment realm, I’d much prefer a set of circumstances where employees and unions are well-treated and are not faced with existential threats that might afford me and other lawyers a bit of filthy lucre attempting to salvage a crumb or two. There are many principles and values more important than making money, and I’m more than happy to trade a litigation opportunity for a fair, equitable and sustainable labor peace, especially one where Trump has no role, and is eating baloney sandwiches while attired in an orange jump suit.
I guess JL thinks count decisions rejected in not "debunked". She's a stickler on words.
Debunked is the claim Trump lost every election case. He did not, nor does every wrong yet have a legal remedy. But this is now we move forward, assessing where the legal weaknesses were present in the "covid" 2020 election, and what Catch 22 confounding legal barriers existed that were not able to be responsive to that very fast moving front that year. The "law" is never perfect and anticipatory of all events. It is a living entity.
Lessons were well learned from the 2020 experience, including the fact Nancy Pelosi needed a "national emergency" on Jan 6 to cram down an instant installation of Biden and cut off the legal reviews several states were requesting of their own state's certification process.
Wasn't that magical, Nancy Pelosi got just what she needed on Jan 6 - a declared national emergency. Who says there are no coincidences in politics - nope that was just divine intervention I guess.
Popular sovereignty/rule is a horrid concept, the idea that people can choose what is right and wrong while ignoring objective morality is asinine and insane. Democracy is a tool for those who seek social and moral decay.
More of your clueless denialism. There’s no question you have the ability to twist the facts to fit your narrative, but you still present ZERO proof of any facts supporting your claims. ZERO!! and I’ve read quite a bit of your retorts and conclusions. And you still haven’t a pot to piss in. You and your tribe lost as election you were wishing to win and for almost eight years you’ve been crying foul without one shred of evidence that can stand from being debunked. That’s why it’s pointless to try to convince annoying conspiracy theorists that facts “Trump” fiction.
J. Livingston appears to be morphing into a somewhat less excitable version of Mike Lindell, of “My Pillow” fame.
Stand by for man JL!
Almost eight years of believing this garbage and you still can’t accept the truth. You and your cult are wrong! period!! And there’s far too much proof to prove your wrong. Sorry, can’t help you.
Veterans can have bad opinions so what do I care about what this person on Twitter says.
No one says you do or need to, just like facts.
He should focus on his own salvation and get right with Christ before "saving" others. Anyone who calls his brother a fool shall be liable to hell.
It's interesting. They keep on saying 'stolen election' like if they say it loud and often enough it will make it true. And they call dems 'sheep'. Who had the fake state electors in all of the following states?
Arizona
Georgia
Michigan
Nevada
New Mexico
Pennsylvania
Wisconsin
No such thing as "fake electors".
No such thing as “denial”.
As always, with word play - you win.
No such thing as "fake electors", TJ.
So the were legit, legal electors? That are now facing prison time because of the corrupt deep state?
You need to mourn the loss of a fair legal justice system, TJ. There were no "fake electors". Nor does a trial court ever act as the final arbiter of the law. This is basic stuff that should have been part of a good civics education.
The entire reason we have appeals courts at two levels beyond the trial courts is because it is a given trails courts may not be fair nor removed from personal prejudices.
We have seen this on both sides of the spectrum from Jim Crow courts in the South to what we are now seeing in the partisan prosecutorial abuse today against Trump and his supporters.
No such thing as “serious felonies”
Non sequitur, Mark.
WOW! I am a turd sandwich and this is hard for even me to serve. The cognitive dissonance on this website is amazingly high. What I find extremely fascinating is how Trump does not give a shit about anyone but himself and the one thing he has done over the years is made that incredibly clear. It is amazing how you MAGA's have been able to shut off the critical thinking part of your brains. Trump could take a big shit right in your mouth, tell you it is the most amazing fudge ever made and you would eat it with a smile while saying this really is the best fudge ever made and I am so grateful for Trump to make this amazing fudge and share it with us. Wake up! there is inherent deception in all of politics but this smelly shit stain doesn't even make an attempt to hide it any more. But lucky for you MAGA's there is more Trump made fudge on the way, and remember Stalin's most stanch supporters ended up in the gulag's in mass numbers as well.
Another troll to be block and muted. Your input has been discarded.
I will take a troll over a troglodyte any day my friends. This website is like Camelot, tis a silly place.
.... and we didn't land on the moon and Elvis is alive and living in Bali.