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Jim Buckley's avatar

I wonder if any of your "Jackass" friends are still friends once you express your support for Trump. Are they?

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Polly Frost's avatar

Really enjoyed this, Calla. I recognize much of what you're writing about. I grew up ten years later than you did, in Altadena and Santa Barbara. My family often discussed politics at the dinner table. My mom was a Democrat, my father a lawyer and Republican, although he voted for Kennedy and was invited to Johnson's inauguration. What was different then than now was that California wasn't controlled by one party. And no one ever behaved the way people do now - getting outraged, hurling insults and storming away from the table simply because someone else had different political views. And looking back, we were discussing way more incendiary topics like the Vietnam War, the race situation, the campus riots. But again, no one called anyone else Hitler. No one accused anyone of racism. Everyone was expected to back up their views with facts.

One of my father's clients owned Parade magazine. His wife and he often entertained politicians and Hollywood people in a salon-like atmosphere at their Brentwood home. Parade relied on gossip, of course, so guests were expected to supply that. But there were always heated debates at the table. The children of this couple were terrifyingly precocious little Leftists who grilled and baited you. And went on to be college radicals while forging alliances that ensured their success in the Democratic Party. But they didn't exclude Republicans like my father from the table. And no one was rude to anyone else just because they disagreed.

We need to get back to this. It's not because of Trump that this kind of civilized rearing of children has disappeared. I saw it back in 2011 way before Trump when a Hollywood producer invited my husband and me to his Montecito home for a family dinner. One of his daughters (a militant vegan who refused to eat the food her parents served) stood up and harangued us guests about how badly Santa Barbara treats the homeless. I rolled my eyes. The daughter stopped, pointed at me, burst into tears and ran out of the house and roared off in her BMW. My husband and I were ordered to leave.

No, the inexcusable anti-social behavior we're subjected to today has nothing to do with Trump. He's just a convenient excuse. It's not even the fault of social media. This behavior is completely the fault of bad “liberal” parents who are too narcissistic to bother to be parents. These parents squawk about wanting to save democracy for their children. But they've created the problem. They've raised children who don't deserve democracy.

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LT's avatar

Polly,

Your story is fascinating. The “family at the dinner table”reminds me of the movie “The Graduate.” I really relate to this movie, because I grew up in SB in the 60’s and parts of it was filmed here. I used to say the character “Ben” was driving to wrong way on the 101!

I use this movie as an example, because that’s when I think the traditional nuclear family changed forever.

In fact going out on a limb, I think social scientists will point to when the women/mother left the home to pursue a career as to when society started to change…and not for the better.

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Emmett's avatar

Democrats forced women out of the home in the 70s under Carter.

Recall they used a pandemic, forced vaccinations, ousted a Republican, brought in Carter and almost immediately inflation and interest rates started climbing at re it’d rates. Lines at gas stations to fill up your car, supply chain issues, etc..,

Just as we saw when COVID hit, out went a Republican in came a Democrat and history repeats.

But now i see children in the workforce more than before helping to pay rent and put food on the table.

Education is already, suffering, now with kids having to be in the workplace what will happen?

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Thomas John's avatar

Democrats forced women out of the home in the 70s? That's nuts. It's been a fairly steady increase the past 80 years......

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B Camp's avatar

Do you recognize the similarities of history from the 70s to current times? Rising interest rates, inflation, supply chain issues, fuel issues blaming the Middle East? Recall Biden blamed Saudi Arabia in the early time of his administration and was snubbed when he personally visited there.

My parents were having a hard time supper I g the family with just my father’s salary after Carter. My mother sought work, which was part time and eventually became full time employment. My siblings& I became latch key kids.

There were more women in the workforce than ever before. With one or both parents trying to clock in their 40 hours of work (at least), many Xers were left to fend for themselves after school.

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LT's avatar

Appreciate the article, it hits close to home as I was born during the Eisenhower administration. My parents, were lifelong, New Deal Democrats. The ONLY time they voted Republican was for Ike. I still have the “I like Ike” campaign button. My Father too was a WWII vet, who witnessed many horrible things and almost lost his life in the South Pacific.

After the war, my Dad became a civil servant with the US Air Force and remained an adamant Dem as was all his friends and family. True champions for JFK, civil rights, strong military, big government and so on. I wonder what he would say now about his party today? My parents were devout Catholics and believed in church teachings and family. Again, not sure if they would sign off on today’s social construct.

Based on what I know about my folks, I’m not sure they would be welcome in today’s Democratic Party. As Reagan said, “ he didn’t leave the Dems, they left him.”

The Party has certainly gone through some changes, once’s focused on working people, education and civil rights. Now its agenda seems to have morphed into DEI, Gender Identity, Environmental Justice and Grievance. He certainly appreciated the right to peaceful demonstrations, but today’s challenges seem to be addressed “by any means necessary,” whereby violence, intimidation and destruction of property is allowed in order for achieving social justice outcomes.

Obviously, the Republicans are far from perfect, but they have seemed to have morphed from Country Club members to now, the party of working class people.

With the world literally on fire, war in the Middle East, faltering economies and a invasion on our borders, the choice should be clear.

What crazy times, but then again it’s always been crazy times.

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Polly Frost's avatar

Like your parents my mom was a New Deal Democrat but she stayed one until she passed away in 2021. She was a great mom and I never doubted her unconditional love. But when 2016 came and she was mourning Trump's victory, she saw me smiling and said “You didn't.” I nodded. She grabbed her chest and began to wheeze. “I need my medicine - no, don't you dare touch my meds, Polly. Trump! Help, I'm dying!”

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Polly Frost's avatar

I should add that my diva mom was often on the verge of dying but it never stopped her from a good scene. “I gave birth to you. I gave you a membership in the ACLU when you were just a little girl! We boycotted grapes together! I gave you all my love for this.” That was my cue to give her a kleenex. I miss you, Mom. Once there were Democrats.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Cannot emphasize this enough, because we cannot go back to pre-1962 politics in this current unionized Big Government setting.

In 1962, JFK allowed government employees to be unionized. After that, "politics" quickly became a take no prisoners blood sport with increasing ferocity. Elections are no longer merely differing ideological contests; they are now existential since the victor gains access to the spoils of unionized Big Government.

$800 billion tax dollars every year is on the table just for teacher-union K-12 education. This takes us well beyond the phonics or whole language debates on our local school boards. Big money including what Prop 98 puts on the table just in California table attracts cage-match Big Politics.

Hang on, because this is a water-shed election year - the competing forces that evolved from JFK's 1962 decision are now totally polarized. Trump wants limited government. Harris wants ever-expanding Big Government. The stakes this year could not be higher. Do voters put their foot on the brakes or on the gas pedal?

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

“peaceful prosperous, powerful, and progressive” (although now that last alliteration has taken on a different meaning thanks to Democrats).

Progressives have bo objective moral framework, their values change depending on the age they live in. Some of the progressives of old supported eugenics, scientific racism, and social darwinism, and of course they weren't necessarily contradicting their "progressive" beliefs because they lack a moral framework grounded in moral absolutism. That democrats today redefine progressivism is ultimately something progressives like, changing beliefs to conform to the times.

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Lou Segal's avatar

The funny thing about Trump is his foreign policies in his 4 yrs as president resembled Eisenhower's much more than his MAGA supporters think. Trump is not an isolationist even though many of his followers are.

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Earl Brown's avatar

Politics is now just big business. The rivalry between the GOP and the Dems is Coke vs Pepsi on a bigger scale.

Both Parties do everything possible for:

- Dominance

- Revenue

-‘Customer’ Retention

- Brand Image

- Marketing Strategies

- Expansion

- Profits

Ultimate goal: Control, authority, & influence.

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Bonnie Donovan's avatar

Coke and Pepsi are owned by they same people, Right?

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Earl Brown's avatar

No Bon Bon, they're 2 different companies.

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Bonnie Donovan's avatar

I have followed them for years and back about 2000 I believe the same peoplegroup owns them.

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Emmett's avatar

The Hippo would be spot on for Democrats as it is the most deadly animal in the world.

The good old days when there were families, neighbors and values.

Question, do you think fighting a war that brought the country together helped those values and patriotism? Verse Vietnam which seemed to divide the country?

And 9/11 seemed to unify people.

I wonder what will this upcoming war will do?

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CarsAreBasic's avatar

Subtle humor to make you points. Great.

Nothing like having a joke on them that is based in bedrock reality.

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frankh110's avatar

Well said, as always. I also grew up in Fairfield County in Connecticut. I didn't appreciate it much then but I do now.

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Calla Corner's avatar

Merci Frank. I agrée that I have only appreciated growing up in Weston until I returned to Ct. in 1989 after living in Europe for 21 years. Luckily, I found a house in New Canaan and our daughters had a wonderful public education. I fear that would not be the case now. Calla

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CarsAreBasic's avatar

Frank, good to see your comment. Take care

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Lou Segal's avatar

MAGA (America First) advocates would condemn Eisenhower today if he was president. Eisenhower ratified a series of bilateral and multilateral treaties to contain the influence of Soviet Union and China. He built up the nuclear arsenal and expanded our military capabilities. He prosecuted the cold war vigorously. He even used the CIA to overthrow the Communist regime in Iran, Guatemala and was a big believer in providing foreign assistance to countries around the world. He also sided with South Vietnam and provided them with military assistance which ultimately led to the introduction of US troops in Vietnam.

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Pat Fish's avatar

Just the facts Ma'am, the average donkey lives 30 years and the oldest one on record made it to 64. So your estimation of a 20 year life span is off. An elephant averages 65 years, shorter in captivity, and the oldest ever documented made it to 86. So, your rhetorical 20 to 100 comparison failed here also. Beware exaggeration and obfuscation, the hallmarks of current political discourse. I "get it" you were only 13, but I cannot stress the point enough that honesty and trying our best to tell the truth is the only way we have any choice of getting the nation out of the current quagmire.

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

Pat, this is more than pedantic and verges on virtue signaling- the 20-100 is appropriate and even poetic- forget the WAPO- lie-ometer On Trump and the scientism that urges a false kind of accuracy and enjoy the beautiful writing of a soul worth treasuring, not correcting-

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Earl Brown's avatar

"Just the facts Ma'am" - Sargent Joe Friday and his Dragnet pals would be proud of you for remembering! :)

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Bill W's avatar

Nothing like starting out a piece by calling people you disagree with "Animals". Really sets the tone. I'm pretty sure this piece would have earned you an F back in Fairfield.

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Robert Johnson's avatar

Bill W: I'm with you but I'm not sure we should expect anything resembling civility or honesty from this outlet. After all, in a recent Comments column someone wrote, "... This assassination attempt by the deep state and backed by liberals is so in our face as to what they can get away with due to the liberal controlled media and legal system." This statement, despite being rife with obvious lies was nonetheless "Like by Santa Barbara Current."

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

Many liberals do indeed take no issue with the assassination attempt, many individuals like the far left streamer "Destiny" even state they have no sympathy for the victims of the attack. As for the shooter, he supported liberal policies and wore a mask everyday even after the pandemic had ceased being a concern for most people, in addition to donating the liberal group "Act Blue". Though he registered as a Republican many democrats did do as a strategy to vote for Niki Haey in the primaries and prevent a Trump nomination. And besides, the gross incompetence of the secret service on that day is so disturbing it's no wonder people belive it was deliberate. Either a 20 year old outsmarted the secret service alone, or he had help from someone.

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Dan O. Seibert's avatar

The SS, by their own admission dropped the ball. Like many plane crashes if just one thing was caught in time the disaster would have been averted.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

An eventful failure is not okay, at all. They didn't just "drop the ball", they threw it out the window and there are so many mistakes made that at some point it becomes malicious.

It wasn't a single mistake, the whole event was effectively a kill zone for President Trump. No overwatch on the roof, no overwatch on the water tower, no one secured the forest nearby the rally, there was no communication between local law enforcement and the secret service, and a new video just cane out showing from one of the injured rallygoers where we can see someone on the roof from where Crooks shot at. If this camera from a lower position could have captured him on the roof, then secret service could have easily seen him. Thay they didn't is incredibly disturbing, and again at some point you have to ask if they were complicit, because this looks a lot like malice and not incompetence when you series after series of failures.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Tax payers funded the full time wages of the Secret Service 100%. We got at best a 20% return on our "investment." No, this was not good enough for government work. Repeal 16th Amendment - stop the free flow of tax dollars going automatically to the Beltway, with no accountability for work product. Those days are over.

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J. Livingston's avatar

RJ, What you label as "lies", are in fact a breath of fresh air in this fetid one-party monoculture called California.

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Earl Brown's avatar

J. - got a new one I think you might like - 'Commiefornia.' Stretching a bit but you get the idea!

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J. Livingston's avatar

Grinch here, Earl: "Communism", even as a joke quite honestly is too recherché to be used to effectively label anything.

Puts people of the scent of the real issues, which are of our own making. But then I am a one-trick pony myself, when it comes to labeling the monsters under the bed. The ones we can actually vote out of office. But for reasons still unknown, we do not.

Perhaps because no one relates to calling them "communists". The danger is a lot closer to home, than this now long-discredited foreign ideology.

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Earl Brown's avatar

Thoughtful analysis, but I’m talking about the perception the average dope on the street, (including me :) thinks about Communism - control, repression, state dominance - all the stuff the Dems and Blow-Blow Harris is trying to impose upon us.

Thanks to that knucklehead California is a long way from when I was a college kid surfing off the Biltmore pier, and she can't wait to do it to the whole country!

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

And there is the abuse of speech , the equivocation of “vicious” and “people I disagree with”- you guys are untethered from objective truth- your condemnations are helium-

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Bill W's avatar

The idea that what gets put out on this site is in any way objective is laughable. At least it is to anyone who can investigate, parse and digest events without the blinders of partisanship.

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

Is that an objectively true statement Bill?

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Terry Sparks's avatar

Being that the Republican Party has sold its soul to Donald Trump, I’d say a better symbol for the party would be a bloated dead Walrus resembling Trump himself would be a fitting image.

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Bonnie Donovan's avatar

WOW

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Peter Scott's avatar

Calla,

How proud your parents would’ve been to support the thrice married, 34 count convicted felon Republican.

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Robert Johnson's avatar

And, lest we forget, who cheated on his wife (who was home with their four-month old son) with a porn star, ducked serving his country during the Vietnam war claiming "bone spurs," mocked a disabled journalist, committed loan fraud for inflated valuations of some of his properties, lied about the 2020 election being stolen (despite the dismissal of most of the 62 lawsuits he filed, even by judged he had appointed), and did nothing (according to Mark Meadows) as insurrectionists, encouraged by him, stormed and defecated in the Capitol while trying to hunt down and hang his Vice President. Yup, I don't think he quite qualifies as an affiliate of the "Party of Lincoln," or of Ike or Ronnie for that matter. Y'all could do a whole lot better.

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Bonnie Donovan's avatar

Are you voting for Harris?

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Thomas John's avatar

Or how many of his lawyers have been disbarred (Rudy) or are facing disciplinary action - including possible disbarment. John Eastman, Chesebro, Ellis, Powell. So many fine people.

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