I am so impressed by the articles I see coming out of the SB Current...I am a 75 year old Conservative who experienced college in the 'Love A Duck' era and finally saw the light after 9/11, with the help of conservative talk radio & especially Rush.
I'm going to make the Current a regular read in the morning. ..Keep up the good work.
Another great topic: I am really enjoying SB Current..
Here we go again expecting someone else to raise our kids. When you child reaches college age he or she should already have the self discipline knowledge and understanding of why they are there. They should have skin in the game, and all the money from the parents and the kids worked for should be very transparent. Each time you put a little away for their education they should know about it, how it is invested and watch it grow. I wanted my boys to have a great college experience, work and study hard and also play, meet new friends, and see that there is a big world out their with lots of different ideas cultures and thinking. The educational and social exposure is so important.
BTW I agree with Nancy's comment, 2 years of work experience or volunteering for govt agency is a great idea
Very well-written and insightful article, Ms. Verhey! I was pleasantly surprised when I got to the end of the letter and found the author was a current college student and a not a PhD or other "expert" adult! I can envision you writing a compare/contrast movie script on this subject. Good luck with your career!
What kids died from BS wars? Is this for real? Hmmm, in only the last 25 years, let's start with Iraq and then go from there. Earl Brown thinks mass slaughter while losing our own is "kicking ass."
This article struck a chord with me because it brought back memories I haven’t revisited in a long time. With the benefit of age and distance, I can now better understand what was actually happening during that period.
I attended the University of Florida, and I paid for most of my education myself because I had no other option. At the time, tuition was $25 per credit hour. Books ran anywhere from $40 to $80 each, often with multiple required texts. My dorm room, if I remember correctly, was about $1,000 per semester, and then there was food on top of that. Even at those comparatively low costs, it was a real financial commitment.
UF was, and likely still is, similar to UCSB in reputation. It routinely ranked as a top party school in the nation, while also being regarded as a strong and competitive academic institution. That contradiction is important, because it mirrors much of what this article is wrestling with.
I had several experiences that made me question higher education long before I had the language to articulate why. One of my classes, Creative and Critical Thinking, was taught by an elderly professor who had advised JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Because he followed the same syllabus and reused the same exams year after year, the course had developed a reputation as an “easy A” for athletes and fraternities. They passed tests around, memorized answers, and walked away with top grades. I wasn’t part of those circles, and it was impossible not to notice how institutional complacency enabled organized cheating.
Another class, chemistry, was taught by a professor who was literally wheeled into the lecture hall. A microphone was strapped around his neck as he spoke aloud to himself and wrote on overhead projectors. He wasn’t teaching so much as reciting. He would drool on the acetate and sometimes nod off mid-lecture. It left me wondering why I was paying for an experience that offered no engagement or accountability.
The most disturbing incident involved a highly ranked English professor who started teaching in the 1950s. Florida heat is oppressive, and students dressed accordingly. I sat near the back of the class one day when a young woman arrived late and walked down the aisle to the only open seat in front of me. The professor stopped the lecture and said, “Stop blocking the view. I want to watch her ass jiggle.” The room went silent. As I could see her face, she was visibly humiliated. I later confronted him during office hours and told him the comment was unacceptable. His response made it clear he didn’t care.
Taken together, these experiences shattered any romantic notion I had about higher education being a morally or intellectually elevated space. Cheating was widespread and normalized. Tenure protected professors who clearly should not have been in front of students. Age, credentials, or institutional status were used to excuse behavior that would have been unacceptable elsewhere.
Eventually, I spoke directly with the Creative and Critical Thinking professor about the cheating. He acknowledged that he knew it had been happening for years. When I asked why he didn’t change the course, he said something that stayed with me: the students were paying for the class, but they were cheating themselves of knowledge. He couldn’t force them to learn. He could present the material; what they did with it was their responsibility.
When I pushed further, he smiled and asked whether I had learned anything in his class at all. Trying to control human behavior, he said, has never worked and never will. The ability to choose—even to choose poorly—is what separates us from animals. Eventually, life catches up. At some point, people can no longer cheat their way out of consequences, and only then do they confront whether their choices were right or wrong.
Now, decades removed from college, that perspective resonates more than ever. My college roommate was a heavy drinker and habitual stoner, unserious about academics and fully immersed in partying. Today, he owns three successful businesses, works a regular job simply to stay mentally sharp, owns his home outright, and has structured his life so that all three of his children live within a few houses of him on the same street. By any reasonable measure, he built an extraordinary life.
The lesson, for me, is simple: who you are at twenty is not who you are at forty.
The article rightly critiques the excesses of the facilitator model and the loss of mentorship and expectations. But it’s worth remembering that human development is not linear, and institutions can only do so much. Freedom comes with risk, failure, and immaturity—but also with the possibility of growth that no amount of imposed structure can guarantee.
Hi Emma, this is the first time I've read you on SB Current and enjoyed it. I hope you'll be doing more. May I give my own experience of bring an undergrad at SBCC and UCSB in the early 1970s? It was hedonism on steroids. I had terrific professors at City College — I'm still friends with Desmond O'Neill who taught history and was completely responsible. However, some of the other profs helped themselves to us young and not so innocent things. My Shakespeare prof, may he rest in peace, gave the always stoned coed next to me an A+++++++++ for writing about how she wanted to **** various characters in Shakespeare. He gave her paper back to her saying “You are one groovy far-out chick — see you in my office later, babe” It was similar at UCSB. The renowned Jane Austin lit critic (and Hugh Kenner's rival at UCSB) I took a class from had his extra marital 20 year old mistress in the front row. No problem, the wife had invited her to stay at their house. The difference was, we didn't MeToo our professors, or the male undergrads we made out and did drugs with. We wrote short stories and poems about it.And since you're a Youth Culture critic, have you seen the 1966 film by George Axelrod “Lord Love a Duck?” It is a documentary of my SoCal teen years. Although I was told at that time I looked like Sally Kellerman rather than the star of it, the genius actress, Tuesday Weld. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-6L6bcZn4s
And to get the LA sixties youth culture, you should read Eve Babitz' stories and my friend, the Vanity Fair contributing editor, Lili Anolik's fabulous recent book on her “Didion & Babitz.” Eve was ten years older than me, so she was there at the height of the 60s in LA, discovering and having affairs with youth pop stars like Jim Morrison.
I was called into the office of the head of Physical Education (one of my majors) in 1967 and told the beard I was sporting was not in the best interests of the major or school. It was done kindly and solved the problem.
Having a strong family background I did not "party" as many of my student friends did. Yet at the same time was not degraded by them. Yes on weekends would drop by the occasional party to be social.
After graduation and the Army, came back to school at UCSB. Things were changing and fast. It took me almost 2 years to get back to being a student. I would go to the Library "stacks" and force myself to study. Often sleep was a waste time so study. A good friend saw me leaving the library and he said you are always here!!! He did not understand the discipline it took to be a student again, in the 1970's.
What I see for the most part, undergrad students at most UC or CSU are not there to learn. The City Colleges are a joke. They too often graduate by accident. Just to make the point, 3 years of grad school, I worked 3 part time jobs. The Hippy Dippy long term outcomes of today are a farce.
If for no other reason "any" on school activities or dorms should have a strong set of values if for no other reason to "protect" both integrity of the education process and legal suits because the schools allowed what today is considered college life.
So there you go another hammer on lack of discipline, and why too often this country is getting its rear kicked.
An interesting article, Emma, and one has to wonder why colleges and universities are even relevant anymore. Except for trade schools and medical training, I can see future extended learning done on the computer. I believe that the most important years are the grade school years and as witnessed with a good number of high school graduates, the schools have let the children down big time in the basics. Our students from grade school through high school average about 13 years under the school system which is more than enough time to get the basics down, learn how to work in groups, and gain a certain amount of maturity and responsibility. Thank you for the good article and hope to see more from you on The Current.
Monica, I at first disagreed, but see your point. Yes professional licenses need specific training, things like architecture, legal, medical, engineering. After that is college IS needed, in my view definitely. How to write, public speaking, how to read fast with comprehension, getting along with roommates, time management, persistent work towards long term goals. It is interesting that Chat GBT can be utilized to solve problems that used to require education, for example: "how many inches of grade change is there in 866' at 1.25%". Perhaps one could do the work, but getting the license and attracting clients with a personality and ability to write, listen, etc. can be garnered on line.
I guess my point was that a good portion of students do not attend college to reach the goals that you outlined but rather to "enjoy life before they become adults". I would hope that by the time the student has finished high school his./her skills in the reading and writing department would be pretty high level. I can see how some specific classes in a college could hone the necessary realistic skills for a student set in a certain career. I am not saying that higher learning after high school is a dead thing. I do however think that the higher educational system after high school that we have had for the past 50 years is coming to an end and it has mainly become a VERY expensive money making institution that has not made the student, in most cases, better off. I appreciate your viewpoint and hopefully our young peoples future will be served better by improved learning institutions.
I did 2 years at junior college, with parental support and supervision, and learned a lot. At UCSB in the late '60's, I was not prepared to be in my own apartment alone. Work study was the closest I came to supervision. I think working at least a year full time would have contributed towards direction in my choices.
I really enjoyed this article as it brings to the forefront both the strictness of early American universities as well as the depravity of our current institutions. I think it brings to mind the truth that pressure and structure yield creative growth. Sure, it is a parent’s job to rear a child with morality and character from the womb. However, in that pivotal time in a humans life, young adulthood, where no mother can caress, or father reinforce, the charging impulses of independence, social structure and guide rails do help push that charge upward, instead of outward in a mess. It can establish individuality - how would each consciousness and soul respond to the boundaries and the expectations, if they were imposed? What character and interests would develop in that soil?
Well done, Emma. Your perspectives are refreshing.
Very nice article. Things have changed since I went to school. I went to Boston College, a Jesuit school, in the late 1950’s and that’s where I started to like learning. That was the only college that would take me, and certainly not because of my miserable high school grades. I still remember opening day. The priest giving us the incoming speech said, “Look at the person on your left and the one on your right. One of you will not be here next year.” Our dorms had prefects on every floor to keep us in line. I had a roommate who partied every weekend. He told me he knew people who had never seen him sober. He lasted six months. In those days colleges had traditional courses that actually prepared you for a job. I became friends with my instructors and one of them convinced me to change my major to math. I give him credit for any success I may have had since then. I am grateful for my time at BC and reluctantly noticed that its rating went up after I left.
The colleges get to deal with all the failings of local public school districts the grand Jury report on social emotional health k-8 during covid19 dated November 12, 2021 every school in every district failed it even has the monetary breakdown of where the 173 million of federal money was spent Santa Maria Bonita School District received the most, 2nd was Lompoc Unified School District both these districts received approx 2/3rds of that 173 miĺlion! Where did that money go? Follow the money to solve the problems! I attended Hancock college for 3 years college courses are manipulated to accommadate the financial scam with fafsa and UsAid! The 2 UC Davis professors/Whistleblowers blew this ponzi scheme wide open when they exposed skull & bones tied to the jesuits satanic cults in every UC & CSU college in the state down to community college college level too with all the dei and lgtbq movements including the California State Capital in Sacramento is proudly flying that rainbow flag with all the pedofiles working in state government a usurped state government left without republican form of Government in a federal Nation that is a Republic! The only way out of this! NewCaliforniaState.com. our Constitutional convention is being held in redding next month.
“Collages began selling experiences to students, rather than services to parents.” Exactly! That really identifies the problem. And people are beginning to really see the results. Great article!
What does it tell ya with kids wasting their time with art history, music, philosophy etc. No wonder they devote more time to sex, booze an rock and roll.
Even in the old days.... I was an undergrad at UC Berkeley from 60 - 64 and recall the gleeful anticipation members of the swim team had in 64 going to the All Cal swim meet at UCSB, which was well known as a wild party school. And that's from guys who were at Cal! Believe me, the university as parent model may have been in place, but we all knew how to get around it.
I am so impressed by the articles I see coming out of the SB Current...I am a 75 year old Conservative who experienced college in the 'Love A Duck' era and finally saw the light after 9/11, with the help of conservative talk radio & especially Rush.
I'm going to make the Current a regular read in the morning. ..Keep up the good work.
Well, at least you didn't scold me like the resident Carlist on SB Current, Theo.
HAH HAH !! Bingo.
Theo, we can't keep meeting like this!
Another great topic: I am really enjoying SB Current..
Here we go again expecting someone else to raise our kids. When you child reaches college age he or she should already have the self discipline knowledge and understanding of why they are there. They should have skin in the game, and all the money from the parents and the kids worked for should be very transparent. Each time you put a little away for their education they should know about it, how it is invested and watch it grow. I wanted my boys to have a great college experience, work and study hard and also play, meet new friends, and see that there is a big world out their with lots of different ideas cultures and thinking. The educational and social exposure is so important.
BTW I agree with Nancy's comment, 2 years of work experience or volunteering for govt agency is a great idea
Very well-written and insightful article, Ms. Verhey! I was pleasantly surprised when I got to the end of the letter and found the author was a current college student and a not a PhD or other "expert" adult! I can envision you writing a compare/contrast movie script on this subject. Good luck with your career!
Solution: admission to any college should require 2 years paid work experience after HS. That’ll sober them up!
Hello Nancy Wolfen, how about 4 years mandatory military service? Looks like Germany is going that way with the BIG BAD RUSSIAN BEAR at their DOOR.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-new-military-service-law-polarizes-society/a-75033848
"Germany: New military service law polarizes society" by Nina Werkhäuser 12/05/2025December 5, 2025
Think GOMER PYLE > One of my Favorites >
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRLGGqGiWCU
No way! Mandatory military service? Are you kidding me? To send kids off to die for BS wars?
Tell that to all the dead and wounded and their families.
What kids died from BS wars? Is this for real? Hmmm, in only the last 25 years, let's start with Iraq and then go from there. Earl Brown thinks mass slaughter while losing our own is "kicking ass."
Right on Howard - I learned about life in the military than 4 years in college.
Earl, Best time I had and best people was with the US Navy.
Me too - 4 years in the Pacific on various ships and stations.
This article struck a chord with me because it brought back memories I haven’t revisited in a long time. With the benefit of age and distance, I can now better understand what was actually happening during that period.
I attended the University of Florida, and I paid for most of my education myself because I had no other option. At the time, tuition was $25 per credit hour. Books ran anywhere from $40 to $80 each, often with multiple required texts. My dorm room, if I remember correctly, was about $1,000 per semester, and then there was food on top of that. Even at those comparatively low costs, it was a real financial commitment.
UF was, and likely still is, similar to UCSB in reputation. It routinely ranked as a top party school in the nation, while also being regarded as a strong and competitive academic institution. That contradiction is important, because it mirrors much of what this article is wrestling with.
I had several experiences that made me question higher education long before I had the language to articulate why. One of my classes, Creative and Critical Thinking, was taught by an elderly professor who had advised JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Because he followed the same syllabus and reused the same exams year after year, the course had developed a reputation as an “easy A” for athletes and fraternities. They passed tests around, memorized answers, and walked away with top grades. I wasn’t part of those circles, and it was impossible not to notice how institutional complacency enabled organized cheating.
Another class, chemistry, was taught by a professor who was literally wheeled into the lecture hall. A microphone was strapped around his neck as he spoke aloud to himself and wrote on overhead projectors. He wasn’t teaching so much as reciting. He would drool on the acetate and sometimes nod off mid-lecture. It left me wondering why I was paying for an experience that offered no engagement or accountability.
The most disturbing incident involved a highly ranked English professor who started teaching in the 1950s. Florida heat is oppressive, and students dressed accordingly. I sat near the back of the class one day when a young woman arrived late and walked down the aisle to the only open seat in front of me. The professor stopped the lecture and said, “Stop blocking the view. I want to watch her ass jiggle.” The room went silent. As I could see her face, she was visibly humiliated. I later confronted him during office hours and told him the comment was unacceptable. His response made it clear he didn’t care.
Taken together, these experiences shattered any romantic notion I had about higher education being a morally or intellectually elevated space. Cheating was widespread and normalized. Tenure protected professors who clearly should not have been in front of students. Age, credentials, or institutional status were used to excuse behavior that would have been unacceptable elsewhere.
Eventually, I spoke directly with the Creative and Critical Thinking professor about the cheating. He acknowledged that he knew it had been happening for years. When I asked why he didn’t change the course, he said something that stayed with me: the students were paying for the class, but they were cheating themselves of knowledge. He couldn’t force them to learn. He could present the material; what they did with it was their responsibility.
When I pushed further, he smiled and asked whether I had learned anything in his class at all. Trying to control human behavior, he said, has never worked and never will. The ability to choose—even to choose poorly—is what separates us from animals. Eventually, life catches up. At some point, people can no longer cheat their way out of consequences, and only then do they confront whether their choices were right or wrong.
Now, decades removed from college, that perspective resonates more than ever. My college roommate was a heavy drinker and habitual stoner, unserious about academics and fully immersed in partying. Today, he owns three successful businesses, works a regular job simply to stay mentally sharp, owns his home outright, and has structured his life so that all three of his children live within a few houses of him on the same street. By any reasonable measure, he built an extraordinary life.
The lesson, for me, is simple: who you are at twenty is not who you are at forty.
The article rightly critiques the excesses of the facilitator model and the loss of mentorship and expectations. But it’s worth remembering that human development is not linear, and institutions can only do so much. Freedom comes with risk, failure, and immaturity—but also with the possibility of growth that no amount of imposed structure can guarantee.
Hi Emma, this is the first time I've read you on SB Current and enjoyed it. I hope you'll be doing more. May I give my own experience of bring an undergrad at SBCC and UCSB in the early 1970s? It was hedonism on steroids. I had terrific professors at City College — I'm still friends with Desmond O'Neill who taught history and was completely responsible. However, some of the other profs helped themselves to us young and not so innocent things. My Shakespeare prof, may he rest in peace, gave the always stoned coed next to me an A+++++++++ for writing about how she wanted to **** various characters in Shakespeare. He gave her paper back to her saying “You are one groovy far-out chick — see you in my office later, babe” It was similar at UCSB. The renowned Jane Austin lit critic (and Hugh Kenner's rival at UCSB) I took a class from had his extra marital 20 year old mistress in the front row. No problem, the wife had invited her to stay at their house. The difference was, we didn't MeToo our professors, or the male undergrads we made out and did drugs with. We wrote short stories and poems about it.And since you're a Youth Culture critic, have you seen the 1966 film by George Axelrod “Lord Love a Duck?” It is a documentary of my SoCal teen years. Although I was told at that time I looked like Sally Kellerman rather than the star of it, the genius actress, Tuesday Weld. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-6L6bcZn4s
And to get the LA sixties youth culture, you should read Eve Babitz' stories and my friend, the Vanity Fair contributing editor, Lili Anolik's fabulous recent book on her “Didion & Babitz.” Eve was ten years older than me, so she was there at the height of the 60s in LA, discovering and having affairs with youth pop stars like Jim Morrison.
Merry Christmas, Theo!
Well here we go again.
I was called into the office of the head of Physical Education (one of my majors) in 1967 and told the beard I was sporting was not in the best interests of the major or school. It was done kindly and solved the problem.
Having a strong family background I did not "party" as many of my student friends did. Yet at the same time was not degraded by them. Yes on weekends would drop by the occasional party to be social.
After graduation and the Army, came back to school at UCSB. Things were changing and fast. It took me almost 2 years to get back to being a student. I would go to the Library "stacks" and force myself to study. Often sleep was a waste time so study. A good friend saw me leaving the library and he said you are always here!!! He did not understand the discipline it took to be a student again, in the 1970's.
What I see for the most part, undergrad students at most UC or CSU are not there to learn. The City Colleges are a joke. They too often graduate by accident. Just to make the point, 3 years of grad school, I worked 3 part time jobs. The Hippy Dippy long term outcomes of today are a farce.
If for no other reason "any" on school activities or dorms should have a strong set of values if for no other reason to "protect" both integrity of the education process and legal suits because the schools allowed what today is considered college life.
So there you go another hammer on lack of discipline, and why too often this country is getting its rear kicked.
Good article.
An interesting article, Emma, and one has to wonder why colleges and universities are even relevant anymore. Except for trade schools and medical training, I can see future extended learning done on the computer. I believe that the most important years are the grade school years and as witnessed with a good number of high school graduates, the schools have let the children down big time in the basics. Our students from grade school through high school average about 13 years under the school system which is more than enough time to get the basics down, learn how to work in groups, and gain a certain amount of maturity and responsibility. Thank you for the good article and hope to see more from you on The Current.
Monica, I at first disagreed, but see your point. Yes professional licenses need specific training, things like architecture, legal, medical, engineering. After that is college IS needed, in my view definitely. How to write, public speaking, how to read fast with comprehension, getting along with roommates, time management, persistent work towards long term goals. It is interesting that Chat GBT can be utilized to solve problems that used to require education, for example: "how many inches of grade change is there in 866' at 1.25%". Perhaps one could do the work, but getting the license and attracting clients with a personality and ability to write, listen, etc. can be garnered on line.
I guess my point was that a good portion of students do not attend college to reach the goals that you outlined but rather to "enjoy life before they become adults". I would hope that by the time the student has finished high school his./her skills in the reading and writing department would be pretty high level. I can see how some specific classes in a college could hone the necessary realistic skills for a student set in a certain career. I am not saying that higher learning after high school is a dead thing. I do however think that the higher educational system after high school that we have had for the past 50 years is coming to an end and it has mainly become a VERY expensive money making institution that has not made the student, in most cases, better off. I appreciate your viewpoint and hopefully our young peoples future will be served better by improved learning institutions.
I agree with you mostly. The expense issue alone has changed everything. If I were 18 again, I would most likely do 2 years at CC and go into a trade.
What can one ask for rather than to be mostly agreed with? Ha ha. Have a good Christmas.
OK let's agree to mostly agree.... Best Wishes and Merry Christmas!
I did 2 years at junior college, with parental support and supervision, and learned a lot. At UCSB in the late '60's, I was not prepared to be in my own apartment alone. Work study was the closest I came to supervision. I think working at least a year full time would have contributed towards direction in my choices.
I really enjoyed this article as it brings to the forefront both the strictness of early American universities as well as the depravity of our current institutions. I think it brings to mind the truth that pressure and structure yield creative growth. Sure, it is a parent’s job to rear a child with morality and character from the womb. However, in that pivotal time in a humans life, young adulthood, where no mother can caress, or father reinforce, the charging impulses of independence, social structure and guide rails do help push that charge upward, instead of outward in a mess. It can establish individuality - how would each consciousness and soul respond to the boundaries and the expectations, if they were imposed? What character and interests would develop in that soil?
Well done, Emma. Your perspectives are refreshing.
Very nice article. Things have changed since I went to school. I went to Boston College, a Jesuit school, in the late 1950’s and that’s where I started to like learning. That was the only college that would take me, and certainly not because of my miserable high school grades. I still remember opening day. The priest giving us the incoming speech said, “Look at the person on your left and the one on your right. One of you will not be here next year.” Our dorms had prefects on every floor to keep us in line. I had a roommate who partied every weekend. He told me he knew people who had never seen him sober. He lasted six months. In those days colleges had traditional courses that actually prepared you for a job. I became friends with my instructors and one of them convinced me to change my major to math. I give him credit for any success I may have had since then. I am grateful for my time at BC and reluctantly noticed that its rating went up after I left.
The colleges get to deal with all the failings of local public school districts the grand Jury report on social emotional health k-8 during covid19 dated November 12, 2021 every school in every district failed it even has the monetary breakdown of where the 173 million of federal money was spent Santa Maria Bonita School District received the most, 2nd was Lompoc Unified School District both these districts received approx 2/3rds of that 173 miĺlion! Where did that money go? Follow the money to solve the problems! I attended Hancock college for 3 years college courses are manipulated to accommadate the financial scam with fafsa and UsAid! The 2 UC Davis professors/Whistleblowers blew this ponzi scheme wide open when they exposed skull & bones tied to the jesuits satanic cults in every UC & CSU college in the state down to community college college level too with all the dei and lgtbq movements including the California State Capital in Sacramento is proudly flying that rainbow flag with all the pedofiles working in state government a usurped state government left without republican form of Government in a federal Nation that is a Republic! The only way out of this! NewCaliforniaState.com. our Constitutional convention is being held in redding next month.
I was on that Grand Jury. Eye opening. Still a grave loss for all concerned.
“Collages began selling experiences to students, rather than services to parents.” Exactly! That really identifies the problem. And people are beginning to really see the results. Great article!
What does it tell ya with kids wasting their time with art history, music, philosophy etc. No wonder they devote more time to sex, booze an rock and roll.
What happened to "Lux Esto"?
The fun stuff happened in the dark! :)
Even in the old days.... I was an undergrad at UC Berkeley from 60 - 64 and recall the gleeful anticipation members of the swim team had in 64 going to the All Cal swim meet at UCSB, which was well known as a wild party school. And that's from guys who were at Cal! Believe me, the university as parent model may have been in place, but we all knew how to get around it.