When she first appeared on the scene, I was amazed at the attention she achieved across the world so quickly. Who in their right minds, I thought, would pay attention to her hysterical outbursts?
But, when she began to get worldwide attention so quickly, I realised that there had to be big money behind her. My first guess was All Gore and his associates. Gore was promoting the same messages, Greta Thunberg provided him with a voice to stimulate teenagers across the world and to get her before the the United Nations.
At that point, I too recognized the pattern of Chinese youth berating and accusing adults, even their own parents, of betraying Mao's revolution.
Thanks for reviving a happy childhood memory: the Pippi Longstocking books. I was introduced to Pippi through Scholastic Books, the wonderful book fairs held at school back in the late 1950's. I loved Pippi's adventures. Greta, though, she's the stuff of nightmare -- and pity. During her heyday, I wondered that her parents weren't charged with child abuse. Ignoramuses.
When she talks about standing up to adults who have “lied about climate change,” I don’t think she’s talking about the trivial things like eating meat, like you say. It’s well documented that ExxonMobil paid think tanks and funded politicians who would deny climate change so that they could keep making tons of money off of oil. There are internal documents from Shell showing that they knew climate change was real, but ran ads in public denying it. In fact, rich oil companies like them are most of the reason today that there are STILL people who don’t believe scientists who have been notifying the public about climate change for decades now.
Sure, you don’t have to agree with her stance on reducing carbon emissions by 2030 instead of 2035 if it affects your lifestyle or something, but climate change and its effects on our planet aren’t a “prophesy”, it’s genuine fact.
The issue is not "climate change" because the climate is always changing. Your argument seems to focus only on the increased use of petroleum products for energy production as a one size fits all boogyman, with no consideration for the benefit side of the use of fossil fuel equation. That narrow focus results in only escalating hysteria.
I definitely agree with you, the climate is always changing, many people forget that. I should’ve specified to “human-caused climate change.” The Earth’s climate fluctuates naturally, but gradually, over thousands of years. The reason scientists are expressing alarm is because the rate of average global temperature increase since the Second Industrial Revolution in the late 1800s is significantly faster than extinction level events. Like one previous time the temperature rose rapidly was the End-Permian Extinction Event. The current rate of global temperature increase is faster than that one was.
Fossil fuels have benefits absolutely, they’re the reason we can all drive cars and have electricity so conveniently. But fossil fuels having benefits doesn’t mean that they aren’t also our biggest current threat by causing this rapid temperature increase. There are alternative solutions to energy that won’t drive up our global temperature.
Be open to reassessing that "industrial fossil fuel" claim. Hope you watch the linked video Climate Story-The Cold Truth. We do need to move into geologic time and out of these immediate extinction threats. What is your argument against nuclear power in the interim?
Clean, air water and environment - yes, I am all on board.
There’s been lots of info released by the IPCC/UN to back that up, but I’m sure there can be nuances. I will check out the video, I appreciate you sharing information.
I have no issues with nuclear energy. It does create nuclear waste that we have to store and maintain, but I’d much rather have that issue than greenhouse gases.
We are a pretty intelligent group here, but I assume few believe today's UN is a credible operation for anything today. Just saying. The IPCC is a major driver of the global climate disinformation agenda; not the answer for anything. Is that hard to hear?
It is tough to hear. What makes you say the IPCC drives global climate disinformation? Apologies if the answer is in the video you were talking about, I haven’t had the chance yet.
Where are the adults? Has become a big question not just here but during Covid.
When we asked SBUSD why they were not opening schools despite receiving millions in Covid relief to make schools safe they said “because the kids don’t want to go back to school”
So the kids were in charge per SBUSD School Board and Administration.
The reality is the Dem Smear Campaign. Point fingers, blame others, sweep the issue under the rug. never address the issue or question. These are all actions of children.
A party of “Children” that is the Democratic Leadership. Children with no morals, no ability to debate on the issues, never taking any accountability, no action plans, just plain old name calling and distractions.
Brain - which party are you talking about? "Children with no morals, no ability to debate on the issues, never taking any accountability, no action plans, just plain old name calling and distractions."
Autism does not convey any ability to discern fact from fiction or to determine the truth from a morass of misrepresentations. Instead, it makes one susceptible to self-deception and to manipulation by those one should be able to trust.
Indeed, I would argue that it is high function autistics (HFA) who might lead the cause of True Believers in any political or religious ideology. They tend to believe in things like "definitions" of words, and in the immutable operation of processes dependent upon human intervention. They also think their thoughts represent reality without separating the facts of individual experience from the lack of understanding the experience of others.
In other words ... they're crazy. The fantasy in their head is "real," but the reality the rest of us live in is a fantasy.
Autistics with limited function require substantial care. My ward's case worker has two of them at home, and they are a burden few can understand without experiencing it. OTOH, HFA's can do things bordering on the idiot savant level. Don't ask how I know ... I'd have to shoot you and take my cyanide pill. ...
The idea that we should accept the prognostications of a high functioning autistic, or a teenager, or someone spewing the party line ... without skepticism and a demand for an extraordinary level of proof ... is as insane as the idea that we should accept any dictates from on high spewed those who would rule over the rest of us.
Never mind, of course, ... that the anthropogenic "climate change" scam is a lie ... a Big Lie.
My goodness. Y’all have your knickers in a knot over a 21 year old woman's’ right, dare I say free speech, over something (global warming) many of you state doesn’t exist!
I don't know. ... If someone wanted to rape the planet, turn the economy upside down, and rule over you with an iron fist ... over something that does not exist ...
... maybe you would get your knickers in bunch ...
My thoughts are that the lefttards should lead by example. Starting with drooling pervert joe biden, Barry OblameO, al gore,... No more flights on Air Force One, or private jets. When Barry OblameO was constantly flying his family all over the world I did a rough calculation on AF1s fuel usage. The fuel used just at take-off to get to altitude, not getting to Barry's destination, just take-off, would power our Honda Civic back and forth across the USA 30 times, yet I should drive less. Next, The White House must disconnect from all Nateral gas heating as must all DEMOcRATS. No more watching joe mumble in front of the gas fireplace. For every pound of pure quartz to make silicon for their solar panels, one to two pounds of COAL must be burned with it. No more plastic drinking bottles, plastic syringes, grease and tires for your electric vehicle. Watch "Planet of the Humans", Tony Heller (RealClimateScience), CDN. Read Patrick Moore (Fake invisible catastrophes and threats of doom).
Have a wonderful day everyone. It's supposed to rain this weekend, but three days ago it was supposed to be clear.
Excellent post. - "drooling pervert Joe Biden" - ha - I bet he does have some weird thoughts. I wonder who convinced him that sniffing girls' hair at press conferences is a no-no.
Both topics St Greta and Climate Change™ is a hoax are given a better perspective after viewing this important documentary: Climate Story - The Cold Truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Ut3cjENZg
This SB Current substack seems to rely on youtube videos a lot for information sources. You old timers should try Reddit as well. There is a trove of what ever you want there. I'd love to see some stuff from Stanford or MIT. But I guess those guys are part of the problem?
I haven't. Typically you can find any nutso stuff there so why waste my time? Just like if I linked you to washington post article. Sure it 'might' be legit.
TJ, assuming you do come to this website to engage in new thinking. One of which is to face the ongoing Church of Green shibboleths squarely in the eye.
The "green" dogma is now well entrenched in to the public discourse and it is costing us huge amounts of money vs. the costs of "immediate species extinction within the next few years". Therefore, the topic deserves continual scrutiny in the face of new data and the now documented string of intended or unintended impacts. Or lack thereof.
A ROI analysis of measurable knowns is in order; not just threats from an uneducated teenager. The video does start with St Greta in full voice. It is primarily interviews which you can choose to accept or reject. It is not any one message. It is an exploration from multiple persons in the overall field, with their own set of credentials germane to this topic.
Bottomline: the science is not settled. So if you are not ready to hear this, I do suggest you avoid watching this.
My local favorite for eco babble just got awarded today from the Save the Whales Blue Skies - Vessel Speed Reduction program in the Santa Barbara Channel:
● "The transits of vessels participating in the program posed approximately 58% less strike mortality risk to whales than if those vessels did not reduce their speed."
NB: "posed approx 58% less strike mortality ***risk***..... Huh?
Did whales get hit or not, and how many got hit before the program was put in place. At what net cost to the vessels.
Word from a Maritime Museum speaker is whales can hear the ships coming and do get out of the way on their own. Slower speeds now mean less sound - so these ships can now sneak up on the poor whales and they won't know what hit them.
I love this Calla! And I LOVED Pippi Longsticking, I wanted to be her. Maybe that has something to do with my own Swedish roots and my love for play, humor, and a little good ol’ fashioned push back.
Greta is a different animal. It’s not Greta, but the nasty adults behind her. Pippi was her own person and felt free to be. These nasty adults behind Greta are weaving their own deceitful and manipulative narrative into a young wounded and bitter little girl. And she has liked and needed the attention.
What I believe the best way to handle this terrible abuse and usary of children, is that we must build a relationship with these kids, honor and acknowledge their strengths, in a genuine way. We have to be kind and honest about what is true, but be sure to listen and not be dismissive, so we can win them back from these criminal abusers.
It takes a little honey to attract bees, vinegar doesn’t work. I think your story is great example of using some honey:) I love it!
Looking back on many of my own favorite childhood stories I was surprised how many of them had a Plucky Orphan as the lead character. These stories taught self-reliance, flexibility and more importantly there was no one to blame but one's self for one's own destiny; regardless of what fate tossed in one's path.
You don’t see how this Climate Hoax is the WEF’s agenda to take away our liberties and freedom?
Why don’t we simply get rid of the corporations and source from a local standpoint.. if we gather together it is possible..
lol right they would lose their big bucks but seriously wake up people and get with it.. there are so many scientific reports that state our beautiful planet is not in danger… but mainstream and WEF have their agenda and like the Safe and Effective vaccine the public just swallow it up.. WTH?!
Pollutants from big corporations, poison in our water and food and air should be 1st on the list not bull crap climate change
And who will be in charge of keeping big corporations from poisoning our water, food and air? One more question - is how is it that the same group of people warning of CO2 impacts any different than those that warn of other pollution? I'm all for managing all forms of negative impacts - but I can't see how one is bull crap and the others are legit?
Well that’s a good question.. with the city counsel following direction from unelected bodies such as WEF we are screwed..
as far as pollution.. suggest starting with the water board.. should they have a way to make sure no fluoride, toxic chemicals and antibiotics come into the system? The food .. well monsantos round up is in everything.. people are peeing it out of their bodies reports say so why are they still in business?
The people are not poisoning the food it’s the corporations.. what happens at the food processing plants?
In the air Tennessee just banned geo engineering… so did the whole country of Mexico ..
And yet main stream calls it conspiracy.. how convenient lol
If people would stop watching brain washing media we might have a chance ..
if we somehow took control on a local level we could come out of these problems ..
since when in history has the powers in control been on the side of humanity.. ?
How quickly the "climate change" argument becomes an argument for clean air and water, and anti-pollution. Those are stand alone issues that don't need to be tarted up with this bogus "climate change" hysteria. Clean air and water regulations have come a long way since that river in Cleveland caught on fire in the 1960s'.
Instead of wasting so much money on this amorphous "green agenda" with zero measurable or meaningful metrics, let's get back to ensuring the basics: clean air, water and the growing masses of even litter, graffiti and vandalism we are now calling the new normal again - take a look at Highway 101 lately?
When she first appeared on the scene, I was amazed at the attention she achieved across the world so quickly. Who in their right minds, I thought, would pay attention to her hysterical outbursts?
But, when she began to get worldwide attention so quickly, I realised that there had to be big money behind her. My first guess was All Gore and his associates. Gore was promoting the same messages, Greta Thunberg provided him with a voice to stimulate teenagers across the world and to get her before the the United Nations.
At that point, I too recognized the pattern of Chinese youth berating and accusing adults, even their own parents, of betraying Mao's revolution.
You certainly set off an interesting discussion with your tale of Pippi Longstocking. Thanks for rattling our brains!
Thanks for reviving a happy childhood memory: the Pippi Longstocking books. I was introduced to Pippi through Scholastic Books, the wonderful book fairs held at school back in the late 1950's. I loved Pippi's adventures. Greta, though, she's the stuff of nightmare -- and pity. During her heyday, I wondered that her parents weren't charged with child abuse. Ignoramuses.
Yes Celeste! Calla
When she talks about standing up to adults who have “lied about climate change,” I don’t think she’s talking about the trivial things like eating meat, like you say. It’s well documented that ExxonMobil paid think tanks and funded politicians who would deny climate change so that they could keep making tons of money off of oil. There are internal documents from Shell showing that they knew climate change was real, but ran ads in public denying it. In fact, rich oil companies like them are most of the reason today that there are STILL people who don’t believe scientists who have been notifying the public about climate change for decades now.
Sure, you don’t have to agree with her stance on reducing carbon emissions by 2030 instead of 2035 if it affects your lifestyle or something, but climate change and its effects on our planet aren’t a “prophesy”, it’s genuine fact.
The issue is not "climate change" because the climate is always changing. Your argument seems to focus only on the increased use of petroleum products for energy production as a one size fits all boogyman, with no consideration for the benefit side of the use of fossil fuel equation. That narrow focus results in only escalating hysteria.
I definitely agree with you, the climate is always changing, many people forget that. I should’ve specified to “human-caused climate change.” The Earth’s climate fluctuates naturally, but gradually, over thousands of years. The reason scientists are expressing alarm is because the rate of average global temperature increase since the Second Industrial Revolution in the late 1800s is significantly faster than extinction level events. Like one previous time the temperature rose rapidly was the End-Permian Extinction Event. The current rate of global temperature increase is faster than that one was.
Fossil fuels have benefits absolutely, they’re the reason we can all drive cars and have electricity so conveniently. But fossil fuels having benefits doesn’t mean that they aren’t also our biggest current threat by causing this rapid temperature increase. There are alternative solutions to energy that won’t drive up our global temperature.
Be open to reassessing that "industrial fossil fuel" claim. Hope you watch the linked video Climate Story-The Cold Truth. We do need to move into geologic time and out of these immediate extinction threats. What is your argument against nuclear power in the interim?
Clean, air water and environment - yes, I am all on board.
There’s been lots of info released by the IPCC/UN to back that up, but I’m sure there can be nuances. I will check out the video, I appreciate you sharing information.
I have no issues with nuclear energy. It does create nuclear waste that we have to store and maintain, but I’d much rather have that issue than greenhouse gases.
We are a pretty intelligent group here, but I assume few believe today's UN is a credible operation for anything today. Just saying. The IPCC is a major driver of the global climate disinformation agenda; not the answer for anything. Is that hard to hear?
It is tough to hear. What makes you say the IPCC drives global climate disinformation? Apologies if the answer is in the video you were talking about, I haven’t had the chance yet.
Where are the adults? Has become a big question not just here but during Covid.
When we asked SBUSD why they were not opening schools despite receiving millions in Covid relief to make schools safe they said “because the kids don’t want to go back to school”
So the kids were in charge per SBUSD School Board and Administration.
The reality is the Dem Smear Campaign. Point fingers, blame others, sweep the issue under the rug. never address the issue or question. These are all actions of children.
A party of “Children” that is the Democratic Leadership. Children with no morals, no ability to debate on the issues, never taking any accountability, no action plans, just plain old name calling and distractions.
Brain - which party are you talking about? "Children with no morals, no ability to debate on the issues, never taking any accountability, no action plans, just plain old name calling and distractions."
Autism does not convey any ability to discern fact from fiction or to determine the truth from a morass of misrepresentations. Instead, it makes one susceptible to self-deception and to manipulation by those one should be able to trust.
Indeed, I would argue that it is high function autistics (HFA) who might lead the cause of True Believers in any political or religious ideology. They tend to believe in things like "definitions" of words, and in the immutable operation of processes dependent upon human intervention. They also think their thoughts represent reality without separating the facts of individual experience from the lack of understanding the experience of others.
In other words ... they're crazy. The fantasy in their head is "real," but the reality the rest of us live in is a fantasy.
Autistics with limited function require substantial care. My ward's case worker has two of them at home, and they are a burden few can understand without experiencing it. OTOH, HFA's can do things bordering on the idiot savant level. Don't ask how I know ... I'd have to shoot you and take my cyanide pill. ...
The idea that we should accept the prognostications of a high functioning autistic, or a teenager, or someone spewing the party line ... without skepticism and a demand for an extraordinary level of proof ... is as insane as the idea that we should accept any dictates from on high spewed those who would rule over the rest of us.
Never mind, of course, ... that the anthropogenic "climate change" scam is a lie ... a Big Lie.
My goodness. Y’all have your knickers in a knot over a 21 year old woman's’ right, dare I say free speech, over something (global warming) many of you state doesn’t exist!
I don't know. ... If someone wanted to rape the planet, turn the economy upside down, and rule over you with an iron fist ... over something that does not exist ...
... maybe you would get your knickers in bunch ...
My thoughts are that the lefttards should lead by example. Starting with drooling pervert joe biden, Barry OblameO, al gore,... No more flights on Air Force One, or private jets. When Barry OblameO was constantly flying his family all over the world I did a rough calculation on AF1s fuel usage. The fuel used just at take-off to get to altitude, not getting to Barry's destination, just take-off, would power our Honda Civic back and forth across the USA 30 times, yet I should drive less. Next, The White House must disconnect from all Nateral gas heating as must all DEMOcRATS. No more watching joe mumble in front of the gas fireplace. For every pound of pure quartz to make silicon for their solar panels, one to two pounds of COAL must be burned with it. No more plastic drinking bottles, plastic syringes, grease and tires for your electric vehicle. Watch "Planet of the Humans", Tony Heller (RealClimateScience), CDN. Read Patrick Moore (Fake invisible catastrophes and threats of doom).
Have a wonderful day everyone. It's supposed to rain this weekend, but three days ago it was supposed to be clear.
Excellent post. - "drooling pervert Joe Biden" - ha - I bet he does have some weird thoughts. I wonder who convinced him that sniffing girls' hair at press conferences is a no-no.
This brainwashed little girl is everything that is wrong with liberalism.
She will end up making Millions off of this nonsense and I believe this has been her objective all along.
Just a thought.
Steve
Both topics St Greta and Climate Change™ is a hoax are given a better perspective after viewing this important documentary: Climate Story - The Cold Truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Ut3cjENZg
This SB Current substack seems to rely on youtube videos a lot for information sources. You old timers should try Reddit as well. There is a trove of what ever you want there. I'd love to see some stuff from Stanford or MIT. But I guess those guys are part of the problem?
The linked video includes Stanford, Princeton .... etc. I guess you have not yet watched it?
I haven't. Typically you can find any nutso stuff there so why waste my time? Just like if I linked you to washington post article. Sure it 'might' be legit.
This documentary is over an hour of solid information. Your loss, but good to know where you are coming from on this topic. And vice versa.
I'll honestly try to watch it. Day job and all. Till tonight.
TJ, assuming you do come to this website to engage in new thinking. One of which is to face the ongoing Church of Green shibboleths squarely in the eye.
The "green" dogma is now well entrenched in to the public discourse and it is costing us huge amounts of money vs. the costs of "immediate species extinction within the next few years". Therefore, the topic deserves continual scrutiny in the face of new data and the now documented string of intended or unintended impacts. Or lack thereof.
A ROI analysis of measurable knowns is in order; not just threats from an uneducated teenager. The video does start with St Greta in full voice. It is primarily interviews which you can choose to accept or reject. It is not any one message. It is an exploration from multiple persons in the overall field, with their own set of credentials germane to this topic.
Bottomline: the science is not settled. So if you are not ready to hear this, I do suggest you avoid watching this.
.
Two thoughts:
1. I never blame the charlatans - I blame the dopes who buy their crap.
2. You gotta hand it to this little gal - making a million bucks with her rants. Maybe I’ll try it too! :)
My local favorite for eco babble just got awarded today from the Save the Whales Blue Skies - Vessel Speed Reduction program in the Santa Barbara Channel:
● "The transits of vessels participating in the program posed approximately 58% less strike mortality risk to whales than if those vessels did not reduce their speed."
NB: "posed approx 58% less strike mortality ***risk***..... Huh?
Did whales get hit or not, and how many got hit before the program was put in place. At what net cost to the vessels.
Word from a Maritime Museum speaker is whales can hear the ships coming and do get out of the way on their own. Slower speeds now mean less sound - so these ships can now sneak up on the poor whales and they won't know what hit them.
I love this Calla! And I LOVED Pippi Longsticking, I wanted to be her. Maybe that has something to do with my own Swedish roots and my love for play, humor, and a little good ol’ fashioned push back.
Greta is a different animal. It’s not Greta, but the nasty adults behind her. Pippi was her own person and felt free to be. These nasty adults behind Greta are weaving their own deceitful and manipulative narrative into a young wounded and bitter little girl. And she has liked and needed the attention.
What I believe the best way to handle this terrible abuse and usary of children, is that we must build a relationship with these kids, honor and acknowledge their strengths, in a genuine way. We have to be kind and honest about what is true, but be sure to listen and not be dismissive, so we can win them back from these criminal abusers.
It takes a little honey to attract bees, vinegar doesn’t work. I think your story is great example of using some honey:) I love it!
Looking back on many of my own favorite childhood stories I was surprised how many of them had a Plucky Orphan as the lead character. These stories taught self-reliance, flexibility and more importantly there was no one to blame but one's self for one's own destiny; regardless of what fate tossed in one's path.
Merci! Calla
You don’t see how this Climate Hoax is the WEF’s agenda to take away our liberties and freedom?
Why don’t we simply get rid of the corporations and source from a local standpoint.. if we gather together it is possible..
lol right they would lose their big bucks but seriously wake up people and get with it.. there are so many scientific reports that state our beautiful planet is not in danger… but mainstream and WEF have their agenda and like the Safe and Effective vaccine the public just swallow it up.. WTH?!
Pollutants from big corporations, poison in our water and food and air should be 1st on the list not bull crap climate change
Please…
No one is forcing anyone to buy what corporations are selling.
And who will be in charge of keeping big corporations from poisoning our water, food and air? One more question - is how is it that the same group of people warning of CO2 impacts any different than those that warn of other pollution? I'm all for managing all forms of negative impacts - but I can't see how one is bull crap and the others are legit?
Well that’s a good question.. with the city counsel following direction from unelected bodies such as WEF we are screwed..
as far as pollution.. suggest starting with the water board.. should they have a way to make sure no fluoride, toxic chemicals and antibiotics come into the system? The food .. well monsantos round up is in everything.. people are peeing it out of their bodies reports say so why are they still in business?
The people are not poisoning the food it’s the corporations.. what happens at the food processing plants?
In the air Tennessee just banned geo engineering… so did the whole country of Mexico ..
And yet main stream calls it conspiracy.. how convenient lol
If people would stop watching brain washing media we might have a chance ..
if we somehow took control on a local level we could come out of these problems ..
since when in history has the powers in control been on the side of humanity.. ?
It’s very frustrating for sure:(
Yet people continue to smoke dope and eagerly sign up for experimental injections. A puzzlement.
I don’t understand why anyone would take that jab.. the Creator gave each of us an amazing immune system… 💯🙏🏻
I smoke something, you might call it dope.
How quickly the "climate change" argument becomes an argument for clean air and water, and anti-pollution. Those are stand alone issues that don't need to be tarted up with this bogus "climate change" hysteria. Clean air and water regulations have come a long way since that river in Cleveland caught on fire in the 1960s'.
Instead of wasting so much money on this amorphous "green agenda" with zero measurable or meaningful metrics, let's get back to ensuring the basics: clean air, water and the growing masses of even litter, graffiti and vandalism we are now calling the new normal again - take a look at Highway 101 lately?
Anthropogenic climate change is a two-fer ...
... we get to waste mountain ranges of resources on a non-problem ...
... and we don't do anything to solve actual environmental, economic, or health problems ...
So ... it's a win-win.
Oh, and the schemers get rich ... and everyone else becomes poorer ... so maybe it's a two-fer-squared ...
;-)
Oh Glenn---Merci. C.