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Paul Aijian MD's avatar

I will be traveling Thursday and miss the live spectacle. It will do nothing to change my impression on either Trump, Biden or CNN. Any voter who is looking for help in deciding who to vote for in November must be as confused and blind as Biden.

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Lou Segal's avatar

LOL - "Everyone knows Jake Tapper will rig the debate in favor of Trump" "Ironically that helps Trump"

This is a false dichotomy or a logical fallacy. There is no way that the format of this debate is going to help Trump. In fact, what it really shows is that Trump is not the great dealmaker or negotiator-extraordinaire he claims to be. He got taken to the cleaners by the Biden team. This is the most favorable format that Biden could have hoped for.

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J. Livingston's avatar

CNN will only perpetuate Trump being seen by voters as the beleaguered underdog, which is one of Trump's greatest and most genuine appeals this election. Because it is true. The two systems of justice we see now every day in Democrat's hands has been ruinous to this country. This is also very much the American electorate's gut check too. A house divided cannot stand.

America is tried of BigMedia's stacked deck of lies and Democrat's agenda-driven verbal bullying which has supported their vicious cancel culture. Quite ironic, when you weigh the charges Big Media and Democrats level against Trump. We will get the last laugh. But that will be only short-lived, because then the real work must begin.

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Thomas John's avatar

I think this beleaguered underdog is what his campaign has put out and you've all bought. Always the victim . Alway put upon and out flanked.

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J. Livingston's avatar

TJ: What you see in Trump is what you get. Blunt, honest, crude, often brilliant and more often right in his gut instincts than wrong. You know where he stands. Which is why those of us stand by him - with growing and even fierce loyalty the more that gets thrown at him by these clearly partisan forces.

The Deep State wants to make Trump a victim; but it keeps failing. That is what breeds the deepening loyalty to him a person, as well as a political candidate. Not everything is "reverse psychology" and games-playing for dollars. That we leave to the Democrats. You see Trump as a personal failure; instead we see him as a resilient survivor - now tested at almost every non-lethal level.

The deep state delivers the body blows; Trump is a counter-puncher. He is being victimized; but he is no victim. He knew that coming down the elevator in 2015.

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Thomas John's avatar

We see that differently. I when I listen to Trump at a rally - he's whines like a victim. He is a survivor for sure. I'll definitely grant you that.

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J. Livingston's avatar

TJ: Listen with different ears - why shouldn't he complain about what is getting thrown at him? Unless of course you blame him, for the Deep State doing this to him. Is that your angle?

Ponder instead why so many people feel the government, as we know it today, turns us all into "victims" -- from the TSA gauntlet run by over-paid, under-performing petty tyrants, to the acknowledge two systems of justice we are seeing daily play out, to the long arm of the DOJ and IRS spying deep into the sanctuary of our very lives.

We do not have the "government" today our Founders envisioned. Nor do we have the Everyman God-fearing citizens the Founders intended as well. We all have work to do. Someday, may we share a common cause.

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Thomas John's avatar

I'm not a big believer in the 'deep state' but I'm gaining an appreciation for what some of the issues are from the perspective of many here. I also don't think that what the founders framed for 2 million people living then whole heartedly transferable to today. We don't have the world the founders could envision - although what they did craft has been very versatile. The US seems to be pretty unique in it's distaste and distrust of Government. Thanks Newt and Rush I don't have those feelings as much.

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Dan Martin's avatar

Trump is a professional victim -- a moaning complaine -- consumed by himself.

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Polly Frost's avatar

I'm looking forward to Thursday. It's time CNN and the rest of the Biden propaganda team, otherwise known as mainstream media, took that debate class they obviously skipped in high school, even though it used to be a required course for anyone going into newscasting.

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Pablosdog's avatar

When the nightly news became 24/7 TV programming…of your mind. 1984.

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J. Livingston's avatar

I contend it was earlier than that - Watergate created the 24 hour "news" addiction. I was living in Washington DC at the time. I was in its full grip and witnessed the huge let down when Nixon waved the nation goodby. No more Watergate breathless, coming up next, breaking news 24/7.

That is when I suggest the media went in search of a new business model to perpetuate the Watergate addiction in the mid 1970's. but when you live inside the Beltway you do think you are the very center of the known universe - your local news is national news.

I remember being shocked to read about a local rodeo, on the front pages of a local paper only a few counties away. You mean people are having ordinary events in their lives, when we Beltway Bubble People believed we were the only source of real news worth reading or watching? That is the America the Beltway Bubble People lost touch with today

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In aerobatics there is a move called a Hammer Head and then dive to the ground with a spinning move where you pull up .... a crowd pleaser. Not with most press today. They are crashing and burning to the point where most readers do not believe the "drive by media."

The problem is they sanctify lies and really terrible stats to prove their case.

When you reach the point where they cancel Sunday Comics because upholding moral/social values you know they (media) have lost the hearts and minds of the general public.

This organization was started to present an honest view of transportation, we never thought we would be around for 26 years. Why because "That Old Black Magic" has lost its way and with it truth and honesty in government.

Good job Mr. McCalmont

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J. Livingston's avatar

RE: Hammer Head. Sounds like a feature now built into every Boeing 737. (!?!)

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Howard Walther's avatar

I read this good artile by David Samuel McCalmont titled "That Old Black Magic"

that should be "Operataion MockingBird - The CIA's Use of Journalist and Clergy"

What Mr. McCalmont is describing is not some happen-stance degradation of the

"Free Press" but a caculated plan to inculcate the average uninformed Citizen.

During the Cold War, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) launched its Operation Mockingbird, which aimed to collect intelligence by bribing journalists and institutions around the world and affecting public opinion by manipulating news media.

Can we all say REGIME-CHANGE like in UKRAINE.

Any Little Black-Birdies here in Santa Barbara?

I think the So-Called-Leaders here need alittle REGIME-CHANGE what do you all think?

Howard Walther member of a Military Family

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DLDawson's avatar

seems that the tide has turned & people are awakening to the criminal projection put forth by “Main Stream News”…Julian Assange was set free yesterday…let’s see what happens…

These reporters and networks have been named in the WikiLeaks to have colluded with the DNC or Hillary campaign during the 2016 election cycle:

ABC – Cecilia Vega

ABC - David Muir

ABC – Diane Sawyer

ABC – George Stephanoplous

ABC – Jon Karl

ABC – Liz Kreutz

AP – Julie Pace

AP – Ken Thomas

AP – Lisa Lerer

AURN – April Ryan

Bloomberg – Jennifer Epstein

Bloomberg – John Heillman

Bloomberg/MSNBC – Jonathan Alter

Bloomberg – Mark Halperin

Buzzfeed – Ben Smith

Buzzfeed – Ruby Cramer

CBS – Gayle King

CBS – John Dickerson

CBS – Norah O'Donnell

CBS – Steve Chagaris

CBS – Vicki Gordon

CNBC – John Harwood

CNN – Brianna Keilar

CNN – Dan Merica

CNN – David Chailan

CNN – Erin Burnett

CNN – Gloria Borger

CNN – Jake TAPPER

CNN – Jeff Zeleny

CNN - Jeff Zucker

CNN – John Berman

CNN – Kate Bouldan

CNN – Maria Cardona

CNN – Mark Preston

CNN – Sam Feist

Daily Beast – Jackie Kucinich

GPG – Mike Feldman

HuffPo – Amanda Terkel

HuffPo – Arianna Huffington

HuffPo – Sam Stein

HuffPo – Whitney Snyder

LAT – Evan Handler

LAT – Mike Memoli

McClatchy – Anita Kumar

MORE – Betsy Fisher Martin

MSNBC – Alex Seitz-Wald

MSNBC – Alex Wagner

MSNBC – Andrea Mitchell

MSNBC - Beth Fouhy

MSNBC – Ed Schultz

MSNBC – Joe Scarborough

MSNBC – Mika Brzezinski

MSNBC – Phil Griffin

MSNBC – Rachel Maddow

MSNBC – Rachel Racusen

MSNBC – Thomas Roberts

National Journal – Emily Schultheis

NBC – Chuck Todd

NBC – Mark Murray

NBC – Savannah Gutherie

New Yorker – David Remnick

New Yorker – Ryan Liza

NPR – Mike Oreskes

NPR – Tamara Keith

NY Post – Geofe Earl

NYT – Amy Chozik

NYT – Carolyn Ryan

NYT – Gail Collins

NYT – John Harwoodje

NYT – Jonathan Martin

NYT – Maggie Haberman

NYT – Pat Healey

PBS – Charlie Rose

People – Sandra Sobieraj Westfall

Politico – Annie Karni

Politico – Gabe Debenedetti

Politico – Glenn Thrush

Politico – Kenneth Vogel

Politico – Mike Allen

Reuters – Amanda Becker

Tina Brown – Tina Brown

The Hill – Amie Parnes

Univision – Maria-Elena Salinas

Vice – Alyssa Mastramonoco

Vox – Jon Allen

WaPo – Anne Gearan

WaPo – Greg Sargent

WSJ – Laura Meckler

WSJ – Peter Nicholas

WSJ – Colleen McCain Nelson

Yahoo – Matt Bai

THE BRIDGE: PODESTA GROUP

Bridge between media, FBI/DOJ, HRC+

Why did the Podesta Group close?

Public charges?

No?

Why close?

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Nancy Freeman's avatar

DAWSON….YEAH, and we know what happened to that Wikileaks leaker, don’t we.? He deserved every hour of his “incarceration” .so, why do you believe him?

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DLDawson's avatar

don’t believe him, instead believe the emails generated by the Deep State that he obtained & published…

PS…happy to see him released in tack & relatively good health from the Globalists jails…

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DLDawson's avatar

it’s always Russia, Russia, Russia — the ever-present boogeyman…was the DNC hacked by Russia? Did Russia 'break-in' to DNC server(s)? Why did FBI accept 'indirect' evidence re: DNC server(s) 'hack''break-in' by CROWDSTRIKE [Ukraine]? Why didn't FBI 'directly' investigate DNC server(s) [in-hand]? Interning for the DNC can be deadly, ask Seth Rich…The 'server' BRINGS DOWN THE HOUSE...

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Howard Walther's avatar

Unfortunately Seth Rich got caugth up in this mess. Wiki uncovering with Julian

Assange maybe part of the DNC server info release but was vieled in Conspiracy. You can read here about Robert Mueller III former Director of the FBI.

https://www.fbi.gov/history/directors/robert-s-mueller-iii

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/439652-mueller-report-squashes-seth-rich-conspiracy-theory/

I quote from the link above "“As reports attributing the DNC and [Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee] hacks to the Russian government emerged, WikiLeaks and [Julian] Assange made several public statements apparently designed to obscure the source of the materials that WikiLeaks was releasing,” the report said." You can bet that there whatever happened with Seth Rich is being covered-up.

Also what happened to Robert Mueller during this investigation is tragic where yes quess who was leading it none other than Jack Smith who is prosecuting Trump.

https://time.com/6285723/trump-classified-documents-mueller-report/

There is one very important item in the link just above if anyone is reading this and I quote ..... "The section also showed Trump deciding to fire his first FBI director, James Comey, who was overseeing the investigation into the campaign’s ties to Russia, because Comey would not say publicly that Trump himself wasn’t under investigation." Total misdirection folks ........ where was Director James Comey when Trump unexpectedly and suddendly fired Director Comey? Los Angeles California.

Director Comey was shocked and totally blindsided and said so here in this video>>

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comey-opens-shocking-found-fired-trump/story?id=54486383 So what was the "Emergency" for Trump to Out of the Blue Fire Comey with no direct one on one talk with Comey. The answer is where was Director James Comey just a few days before he was fired on May 9, 2017 by President Trump. I will give you all just one quess................

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2017/05/10/comey-flees-la-in-mississippi-jet/101510050/

Welcome to Santa Barbara California the little ole beach town that quite litterally Covers-Everything-Up.

Howard Walther, member of a Military Family

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Nancy Freeman's avatar

McCalmont: If everything you’ write about Jake Tapper, CNN, and the upcoming debate is true, why DIDNT astute, intelligent, honest, faithful, loving and caring ASSHOLE trump REFUSE? THERE is a man ultimately and only concerned about his skin and his pocketbook……wouldn’t he have smelled the CNN rat you propose is the case?

You Republicans are such wimps, constantly preparing yourselves for loss, like the slimy creature you want for President to these United States . His megaphone mouth is constantly explaining his transgressions, blaming others, while he perpetuates even more.

How did so many of you self-serving ( “ Trump will save us tax money; who cares about needy Americans?” That is your Republican mantra.) get to own this Site…..all of you with the same identical lousy lying story about the truth surrounding these two candidates.

Trump is not fit to be our President. Don’t you see that? He is hardly fit to be alive, given the number of men, women, business people, former lawyers, lovers, children, “ universities “, and other entities he has abused, stolen from, cheated……THEY…those who come in contact with him…..end up in jail. HE wanders around spewing garbage at his Deplorables.

AND YOU WANT HIM TO BE OUR PRESIDENT? Shame on you. You put yourself in his camp means you hold his so-called “ values “, and that is disgusting!

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J. Livingston's avatar

Trump: Promises made, promises kept. Yes, I stay in the Trump camp. He is the right man at the right time.

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Thomas John's avatar

You can say you don't agree. But the "promises kept" is pretty lacking.

According to PolitiFact's "Trump-O-Meter," out of 102 promises tracked, Trump kept 25, compromised on 23, and broke 54

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Howard Walther's avatar

Hello Nancy, I hear you loud and clear ....... and I like you do not like Trumps mannerisms and background and alot of what he stands for however that said there is a alot more going on than anyone can imagine with layers of layers of deception. Read my recent post today and you will begin to understand something very serious is a-foot with ALL-TRUMP and the US Government that is way beyound the facts that are before us. In simple words there is a POWER-STRUGGLE going on rigth now with who controls this Country. I for one do not want to be Vaporized in a Nuclear Holocaust with Russia and we are there rigth now. Some very imporant events are now happening between Russia and the US and we all better hope to God that Both Russia and the US stops this escalation and BOTH STAND DOWN NOW.

Howard Walther, member of a Military Family

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Nancy Freeman's avatar

Howard: Where is your post, and which party do you think would be most likely to “ Stand Down “? None of us wants to be vaporized I believe. Sure sounds to me as if trump would be the absolute wrong person to negotiate anything with anyone! He should never never be allowed anywhere near the office of the Presidency.

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Howard Walther's avatar

Hello Nancy, read the thread of posts on the "Black Magic" I just posted

a very long explanation of what is "Really" going on here and up

topside. I think you got a handle on it if anyone does however Trump

got enmeshed in Intelligence Matters that he and most have no idea

what is going on. Howard

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

Nancy, not every person wants to fit into your false political paradigm of "Republicans/Democrats". Some people prefer a third alternative, perhaps a monarchist position.

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Nancy Freeman's avatar

Theo….yeah, well, good luck with that. our forefathers made a clear and concerted effort to keep religion away from government. You, pre-trump, are/were allowed to believe whatever you want about gods and who made the universe. However, to the extend that it is possible, those personally held beliefs…if the S.C. allows…..are and should be…..according to me…..PERSONAL. I don’t think your religious beliefs about life are as yet FACTS, and the struggle going on NOW is related to WHAT ARE THE FACTS AND WHAT ARE THE WISHFUL THINKING LIES. All this chaos is as simple as that.

SO, my young friend, all this chaos is complicated enough without introducing god and the angels into the equation, though I am the first to grant you your Democratic right to believe whatever is your truth and makes you happy.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

I didn't even mention religion, and our founding fathers were freemasons who supported deviant enlightenment and classical liberal beliefs, I have no respect for them.

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Nancy Freeman's avatar

Theo…..you have mentioned religion many times, in different ways. You have also made clear your views on the politics of our forefathers and of the day.

I repeat, I would never quarrel with a man’s personal view of his god/gods…..just as long as they are never imposed on me.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

I don't impose my beliefs on others, enacting policies that are in align with my Catholic faith is fundamentally different from me forcing you to be Catholic.

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Nancy Freeman's avatar

Theo…..DIDNT you suggest there is a third option besides Dems and Republicans? I may have misread, I thought your 3rd option was a semi -religious one?

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Peggy's avatar

It's a fine mess we are in, Ollie, eh? Media is in the pocket of the left so far and so deep that NOTHING I see/hear on any media even hints of truths. You change channels and the EXACT same verbage spews forward. It amazes me that so many are just sheeple and nod their heads in agreement like dogs waiting for their beggin' strips. I only hope that sniffer goes into a trance before the masses, poos his pants and smiles at all the kiddies he wants to smell. Yeah, I said that.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Just like the recent response to Biden's SOTU address, repeated ad nauseam even by our own esteemed Congressman Salud Carbajal - Biden was "fiery"......

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Andy rosenberger's avatar

I find it interesting that several folks find the conservative missives here to be scripted replete with pithy cartoons. We’ve seen a lot of that recently so that’s understandable. As for Trump, yes he’s crude and shoots from the hip and that might actually appeal to many of us who are tired of the career politicians we keep seeing. However, regardless of any good he did do during his tenure, he really wasn’t a very good president. His handling of the Covid crisis and his sitting on his hands during the Jan 6 event ought to convince most anyone he ought not be given a second chance. Project 2025 ought to convince those doubters even more.

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Brent's Journal's avatar

I projected that the acquisitions of Tweeter and CNN had the potential to be significant. Musk's taking the hit to buy Tweeter has exposed many things, including that the FBI met with them weekly to influence the 2020 election. Sadly, as Musk predicted, he is now a target of the demo's. AT&T's sale of CNN has been disappointing , perhaps because of the $4.5 billion in debt that went with the sale, or long term contracts, or just plain philosophies, CNN has not changed.

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Dan Martin's avatar

It’s hard to believe that the author could write this without feeling some twinge of irony. A plethora of complaints about fake hoaxes (BTW: “Mostly peaceful Jan 6” is like “Mostly successful at Little Big Horn”.) The GOP does what they complain about — e.g. a rigged election that they are trying to rig. The deficit — but only when they’re not in office. The age and cognitive ability of their opponent candidate when their own candidate is — well, have you actually listened to him? Biased media? Don’tt choose Fox “News” if veracity is desired.

There are lots of things that where reasonable people can have different views. But when hearing two different descriptions of the same event — e.g. January 6, choose what you saw with your own eyes. It was on every station. Saying it was ‘mostly peaceful’ is like comparing Krakatoa to the Snap, Crackle and Pop of Rice Krispies. And, that kind of prattle voids that rest of the argument.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

Jan 6th was a mostyl peaceful protest, most people there never entered the Capitol Building. And simply entering a building, even though illicit and preventing a political process is hardly violent. If you want to know what an actual insurrection is look at the French Revolution.

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Dan Martin's avatar

Most people not entering the Capitol is irrelevant given how many people did .. after fighting with police. If you are intellectually honest and consistent, you'll know that if the other side had done the same thing, your position would change accordingly. In fact, before deciding that it wasn't a big deal, i.e. when you were appalled -- the President's admirers blamed it on the police or Antifa. Strong support for law and order is a GOP hallmark --- but not when its the GOP being lawless and disorderly.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

I'm also not a republican, I'm a monarchist, so telling me about the supposed values of the GOP has no bearing on me.

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Dan Martin's avatar

Good choice -- non-Republicans don't have to abandon their principles

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

And conveniently the police were depicted as racists and fascist, enemies of democracy and social justice during the summer of violence (George Floyd Riots) but suddenly became heroes when they went after Trump supporters.

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Robert Johnson's avatar

To: Jim Buckley or anyone there at the Santa Barbara Current. I am curious whether these articles are truly written by locals or if they actually emanate from some conservative think tank -- such as the Heritage Foundation -- then "repackaged" to merely appear as if they are locally sourced. Can you give us an honest answer?

My curiosity stems from the fact that all the articles are pretty well written and formatted, replete with the clever cartoons up top. It is also suspicious that there is a deft delineation of good and evil (MAGA Republicans and Democrats respectively) and then even a subtle dog-whistling as to the RINOs that can no longer be trusted (and therefore must be despised) despite their life-long conservative bona fides; i.e., Sen. John McCain, VP Mike Pence, Attorney General Bill Barr, Secretary of Defense James Mattis, Secretary of Defence Mark Esper, Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff General Mark Milley, Secretary of State Rex "Trump's a f**king Moron!" Tillerson, Ambassador Nikki "Birdbrain" Haley, Governor Chris Christie, 2nd National Security Advisor HR "(In Trump) we saw the absence of leadership" McMaster, 3rd National Security Advisor John "Foreign Leaders think he (Trump) is a laughing fool" Bolton, 2nd Chief of Staff John "(Trump is) a person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and rule of law... God help us" Kelly, Communications Director Anthony "He (Trump) is the domestic terrorist of the 21st century" Scaramucci, another Communications Director Stephanie "I'm terrified of him running in 2024" Grisham, Secretary of Education Betsy "When I saw what he did on January 6... it was just obvious to me I couldn't continue" DeVos, Secretary of Transportation Elaine "It was impossible for me to continue, given my personal values" Chao, Secretary of the Navy Richard "the President has very little understanding" Spencer, Homeland Security Advisor Tom "The President undermined American democracy... he's culpable for this siege, and an utter disgrace" Bossert, Trump lawyer Michael "He's (Trump) an idiot" Cohen, White House Council Ty "Trump relentlessly puts forth claims that are not true" Cobb, and Chief of Staff Aide Cassidy "Donald Trump is the most grave threat we will face to our democracy in our lifetime, and potentially in American history" Hutchinson. And, of course, the list goes on and on and on....

Once again, you conservatives can do your party, as well as our nation, a great favor if you would just drop Trump while there's still time and back a ticket of, say, Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger. Oh, but I forgot, they're traitorous "RINOs."

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Santa Barbara Current's avatar

All SB Current writers are real people, using their real names, and speaking for themselves.

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J. Livingston's avatar

RJ: You just provided yourself as the best example of what you charge in others. No sale.

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Earl Brown's avatar

I don’t agree with much of it, but well researched comment. Should have been presented in a bulleted list.

Couppla points:

a) “Drop Trump” . . . Drop THE best president we ever had? NO! He’s all we’ve got between us and the entire country sliding down the toilet!

b) Liz Chaney and Adam Kinzinger - Huh? You’re kidding, right?

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Thomas John's avatar

Robert - I've wondered the same thing. But I agree with the SB current that they are written by real folks. Typically if I drop some re-hashed thing into google or AI they'll find the true author. But all the writings here seem legit to me. And I'm a moderate or just left of center politically. And I agree with you - seems like the folks that like Trump the most have never worked with or for him.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

You're reading into this too much. And Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger would support your beliefs and they lack an ounce of traditionalism in their bodies. As a monarchist I would sooner support Trump, a flawed, but I belive to be a well intentioned man over some secular neo liberal.

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Robert Johnson's avatar

And then, of course, there's what Trump's leading contenders for Vice President have said about him:

Doug Burgum, when asked if he'd do business with Trump, "I don't think so. I think it's important that you're judged by the company you keep."

J.D. Vance, "I'm a never-Trump guy" "I've never liked him" "My God, what an idiot!"

... and "Little" Marco Rubio, "He's a con artist who is hijacking the conservative movement."

Flippity-flop.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

Why would I care about any of the people you listed above? I'm not a republican, I support the king.

I don't even consider myself a conservative, not any ore. My beliefs are Catholic and ultra traditional, I reject conservatism which itself is a liberal ideology steeming from the enlightenment.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

"faraway Ukraine while holding back vital munitions from a trusted Middle East ally". Israel is not an ally of the United States, and if you're going to be critical of sending foreign aid to Ukraine, why are you okay with over a hundred billion dollars being sent to Israel? Israel does nothing for us other than serve as Outpost for the American Empire to wage war and subvert Middle Eastern nations.

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