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Brian MacIsaac's avatar

I’m so disappointed that so many in the American populous believe the what seems to me to be the obvious propaganda that the legacy media puts out. I’m convinced it starts in our school system. School vouchers cannot get here fast enough.

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LT's avatar

My Russian-Ukrainian in-laws immigrated to the US in 1953 and were sponsored by the Methodist Church, settling in Claremont,Ca. Today, there is a portion of town known as the “Russian Village” and the cemetery (where they now reside) is full of Orthodox crosses. They immigrated having lived in a refugee camp in Germany after WW II, losing everything they had. My Father in-law had worked for the US Army so he had an advantage of immigrating, but also was considering Venezuela as did many Slavic refugees. They learned English, raised kids, bought a home and my Father in-law worked for many years at the Claremont College. They enjoyed the American dream to the fullest. We have always been welcoming to those who were persecuted by tyranny and willing to assimilate,work hard and be law abiding.

The situation in South Africa is very troubling. Africa as a continent is a third world basket case and owes trillions to the World Bank/IMF that will never be repaid. Africa has vast natural resources and home to enormous diamond, gold mines and other rare earth minerals. De Beers is the huge diamond cartel based in South Africa. South Africa under the white Afrikaner regime was racist yes, but had the highest living standard of any country in Africa. After the ANC seized control from the Apartheid government in Pretoria,

life has gotten much worse, crime, poverty, now a energy crisis causing frequent black outs. The next crisis will be food supply as white farmers are being murdered and chased from lands they have owned since the 1600’s.

Unfortunately, more suffering is in store for South Africa, perpetual by a racist, corrupt and criminal regime. The ANC has squandered the opportunity of a just, peaceful and prosperous society.

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Howard Walther's avatar

LT Good history on your Ukraine/Russian In-Laws. " They learned English, raised kids, bought a home and my Father in-law worked for many years at the Claremont College"

Many Russian's and Ukraines Come To America and never assimilate and some bring

the Old-World-Crimes to the US like Blat, Money Laundering and Kleptocracy.

Oh we have that all right here in Lil Ole Klepto-CRAZY Santa Barbara

No wonder all the LIBS LOVE UKRAINE>> Quote from the Mayor of KVIV

"Klitschko stated that the Kyiv City Council’s operations have been disrupted by "raids, interrogations and threats of fabricated criminal cases", preventing councillors from achieving a quorum for decision-making. AND Quote from Klitschko: "This is a purge of democratic principles and institutions under the guise of war. AND ""Many of the mayors are intimidated, but my celebrity status is a protection. You can fire the mayor of Chernihiv, but it is very difficult to fire the mayor of the capital who the whole world knows."

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

Excellent and important article! This is all the tip of the iceberg to point at centuries of intellectual and moral decline in the West. At this point, even if such a thing as "white supremacy" exists, which may only be possible in the small minds of KKK members, its mainstream use and abuse is wholly illegitimate. There are two worldviews, the realists and as Thomas Sowell puts it in his excellent book The Vision of the Anointed, the anointed ones- Realists, we know that not all cultures are equally virtuous and we know the most virtuous culture in the history of the world is Western Civilization, at least in its intellectual and moral heights of the high middle ages, a time the Anointed call "the dark ages"- and what the anointed call the "enlightenment" was really the endarkenment of the West- only the realists can understand this- the anointed descend into institutional darkness with boldfaced racism masqueraded in virtue signaling. The 1619 project is the crown jewel of the unreality asserted by the anointed. A true look at history even by professor Henry Louis Gates shows that of the nearly 10 million African slaves sent to the West over 300 years in the transatlantic slave trade, less than 400k landed on American shores- the other 96% went south of our borders- then the reality that slavery in Africa was rampant and there were as many or more African slaves sent to the middle east where they fared much worse than in the West- The story is complicated, but we must stop with the racist ideology of the anointed and return to the sanity of the realists.

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Brent's Journal's avatar

Thanks David for illustrating the hypocrisy of the 1619 program. It is tragic what is happening in South Africa. The rise of the Nelson Mandela movement led to movie title "The good, the bad and the ugly." The "good" was offering the freedom for all, the bad was the simultaneous collapse of their economy that even the U.S.'s "Sullivan Program" of financially supporting the new regime could not prevent, and the ugly that is happening now is the "new" regime is persecuting, including killing, people based on their race and, perhaps, economic standing. A similar path took Rhodesia from being one of two, South Africa was the other one, exporting nations south of the Mediterranean Sea in Africa, to one of the poorest nations in the world despite its minerals.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Northern Rhodesia went through the same tragic economic metamorphosis when it was "liberated" and became Zimbabwe.

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Burton H Voorhees's avatar

Interesting that I'm currently on a zoom meeting with a number of white South Africans who tell me that this stuff about white farmers is bullshit spread by white supremacists. But we certainly want to MAWA.

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J. Livingston's avatar

I spent a month in South Africa in the 1970's and returned several times thereafter. The horror stories are real and have been published in their newspaper for a long time.

On a return visit, I looked up a former architect friend only to learn he had been murdered in his condo and all his furnishings had been stripped out. I enquired at the local Cape Town newspaper if there had been any follow-up stories on his murder They just shrugged and said no, these things just happen.

There is no one-side fits all stories about South Africa. Guard against only anecdote including my own, since South African real estate is now going for fire sale prices. That is telling another story too. Indeed, cry the beloved country.

Additionally, why do we have a "homeless" problem and substandard living conditions in our own US inner cities, when prime real estate in South Africa can be purchased for such extremely low comparative prices. One can easily have a Santa Barbara lifestyle in Cape Town for well under $200K, yet people are leaving which is why the prices for luxury and ambient lifestyle are so low. (Try a "Zillow" type search for properties in Cape Town, Johannesburg, Durban, Pretoria, Port Elizabeth. One South African Rand ZAR = five cents. Approx ZAR 2 million =US $100,000)

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

You sound like a racist sheep. White is an artifact of non-being made up by the anointed. It doesn't exist.

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Thomas John's avatar

How is the above racist? The use of the word 'white' in 'white supremacists'? Just trying to follow your line of reasoning.

Ok reading your longer post below, I think helps explain it.

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

The Orwellian social conditioning is to get people to be racist anti-racists- and it is on full display in society today - an aspect of this conditioning is a pseudo scientific kind of reasoning displayed above by Burton in his experience with his white friends that doesn’t bear too heavily on reality- so many are unwittingly racists- to say the fiasco in SA is bullshit spread by white supremacists is not only not true it is pejorative to “white” people and racist because it is not true! We need to define racist in realistic terms and all the racist Anti-racists need to be informed of the reality of racism so they can be less racist unwittingly or other wise.

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Burton H Voorhees's avatar

They were mostly white, not all. I should have finished their comments, namely that yes, white farmers had been killed. So had many black farmers. Violence was the problem, not racism or any program to force whites out of the country. That suggests to me that the "refugees" from SA might have had the same sort of argument for entry as those who fled places like El Salvador because of fears of gang violence. That the current administration is using that to stoke division is reprehensible. Which I guess is their standard method.

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

Burton, I am sad to see that you are sincere here and appear to not realize that you speak not informed by reality but wagged by the tail of ideological talking points. It is clear you do not understand the culture of SA or the Trump administration-

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Burton H Voorhees's avatar

Perhaps you need to apply your words to yourself. In a zoom meeting where many of the participants were (mainly) white South Africans I asked a question and got the answer I stated. Perhaps they are living in fantasy, but being mostly white I'd be surprised if they had not at least shown some concern about specific anti-white violence. I didn't pursue further because the meeting was about something else. I do think that I get the Trump administration pretty well and am opposed to many (but not all) of their actions and intentions. I'd suggest that if you are not black (I am not so fit into this as well) you don't really have a full grasp or experience of US racism. If in your superior wisdom you can support your claims, please do so in rational, logical form.

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Steve's avatar

What a pussy!

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rita murdoch's avatar

Absolutely. This is all so insane. The whole world is upside down.

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Robert Johnson's avatar

Mr. McCalmont, I found your article interesting; "interesting" only insofar as it is based on an already debunked myth.

You claim, among other fallacies, that, "... President Donald Trump is importing white South Africans whose lives are threatened."

This is not the case. Even readily available South African Police reports show that, of the some 27,000 homicides that occurred there last year, the murder rate of Afrikaners (whites, who make up approximately 7% of the population and own some 50% of the privately-held land) was no higher than the murder rate of blacks.

When S.A. President Cyril Ramaphosa (a black) visited the Donald Trump in the Oval Office last week he brought with him a contingent which included S.Africa's wealthiest man, (white) billionaire Johann Rupert, and two (white) S.African professional golfers, Ernie Els and Retief Goosen (both long-time acquaintances of Trump's). And despite the fact that these three men deputed the claim of "white genocide" the myth just won't go away, thanks to bogus social media posts and articles such as today's.

Furthermore, the video Trump showed of the "thousands of white crosses" were not grave markers, but rather part of a temporary memorial and protest against farm murders in South Africa of both whites and blacks.

Mr. McCalmont also claims, falsely, that, the U.S. refugee immigration system has a "no whites need apply" policy in effect. Well, tell that to the 2.2 million Gazans or 3 million West Bank Palestinians, or the 1.3 million Rohingya, or the 12 million displaced Sudanese--all of whom would love to gain asylum in the U.S. just as those 59 white South Africans were granted, and under expedited processing no less.

So why perpetuate this lie? To me this just seems to exacerbate MAGA's already crumbling credibility problems. Need a list? The 2020 election was stolen. Jeffrey Epstein was murdered (boy, has Kash Patel and Dan Borgino walked that one back!). Climate change is a hoax. The 22 victims of the Sandyhook Elementary School were "crisis actors." That Obama and Fauci and Gates created COVID (another pearl from Alex Jones). That the One Big Beautiful Bill will reduce the debt (for clarity sake, tax cuts have never paid for themselves, and this bill, according to the Congressional Budget Office, will add $3.3 trillion to the debt).

Oh, the list is long, but the biggest lie to date: That Trump--the oldest President ever to enter office--is lucid, is stable, is a genius. In my opinion, Biden was senile. But so is Trump: just listen to one of his rambling "weaves" in front of Arab leaders or graduating cadets these past couple of weeks. You'll see.

Which gets me back to the point: Why lie? It seems to me that the Republican party has sound and popular issues on which to stand; many of which I agree with (tightening the borders, ending birthright citizenship, banning transgender athletes, to name a few) and many of which I don't (tax cuts while cutting Medicaid by $700b and other, IMHO, essential programs--the IRS, USAID, NIH, DOE, EPA....)

And, see, I didn't even bring up the nearly $1 billion the Trump family made just these past few weeks (by way of the Crypto Currency dinner that netted them $394m, his meme coins, Bibles, sneakers, and that $400m "free" gift airplane from Qatar). Oh, but this is all fine and dandy because, as Press Secretary Caroline Levitt (I'm paraphrasing here) says, "The President is being fully transparent, and to insinuate that he is making any money off the presidency is absurd.... After all, this is a President who doesn't even draw his ($400k/year) salary. That's how much he cares about the American people."

All hail the Grifter in Chief!

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J. Livingston's avatar

Afrikkaners (Dutch heritage with 400 year histories in this previously very sparsely populated country) own farm land, which they work and make productive. Which was never farmed before their arrival into these empty areas during their Great Trek to flee the British who came much later to exploit the gold and diamond mines concentrated mainly round Johannesburg and Kimberly.

So tagging Afrikaner as the "largest land owners" is perhaps intentionally being misused for discriminatory effect? See what happened when similar farm land was confiscated from the centuries old "white" farmers in Northern Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. They went from an exporting nation to a bigger importing nation.

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David Bergerson's avatar

And you had to throw in Critical Race Theory. What an ignorant thing to do. Go ahead . . . get that red meat cliche in there. If you had even looked into what Critical Race Theory is, where it originated, and where it is taught, you would have left it out.

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Santa Barbara Current's avatar

Looking at others thru the leftist prism of race and class (CRT) is at the heart of this injustice, no?

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David Bergerson's avatar

Remove LEFTIST prism. I know that is hard because you so want to tie separate things together. CRT is not a left or a right thing. CRT is taught in LAW SCHOOL. It is taught to look at perspectives. Here, this is a snippet from UCLA Law on the class that they teach:

"CRT as a course is part intellectual history (the story of the scholarly movement in the legal academy) and part deep exploration of the far-reaching implications of viewing race and racism in this light. We will consider criticisms of CRT, including conservative critiques, but mostly looking at challenges from within the field. We will put CRT into conversation with the most innovative social scientific formulations of racism and “race” as a concept, asking how they illuminate past and present challenges such as: reparations for past race-based injustice; social movements to combat racism; police violence against and incarceration of disproportionate numbers of people (especially men) of color; laws and policies toward migrants. The course will situate racism as operating through and in conjunction with inequality based on class, gender, national (national original and citizenship), and sexual orientation/expression."

That is not left or right. If you notice, there is a lot of talk about history there. Now, just take a few minutes to read this: https://lawreview.uchicago.edu/online-archive/unconstitutional-racial-animus-behind-federal-marijuana-criminalization

Laws targeting blacks and immigrants specifically. Hmm. That is the type of stuff that is taught in CRT. I am not sure how old you are, but not that long ago, we had the same issue with crack. The laws for having crack were MUCH more stringent than laws targeting cocaine. Why? Blacks did crack, whites did cocaine. The irony that crack is cocaine, well that didn't matter.

Again, this is not a left or right thing. It is a fair vs. unfair thing.

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

Haha- fair vs unfair- have you ever heard of the Hegel? Marx? frankfurter school? Herbert Marcuse? Crenshaw? You are so utterly clueless-

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

David stop embarrassing yourself- msnbc is not a source of truth-

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David Bergerson's avatar

Projection is a form of insecurity.

I am not embarrassed at all. I am saddened. I am seriously hoping that I am not looking at my future. What is that? A bunch of angry old people screaming ignorance on the internet.

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

Yes, the psychological aspersion- and yes the mischaracterization- I make the claim that you spout irrational materialistic neo-marxist talking points sourced in your implicit conditioning, that is either true or untrue, not a projection because I don't have that habit, you do.

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David Bergerson's avatar

Wait . . .

Am I mischaracterizing the authors and most of the respondents in this forum? From MY observation, it is a plethora of angry old white people. Angry at something, and then of course, blaming others for it. IMO, what a sad life. The people that project that you should suck it up, not be a snowflake, are the biggest snowflakes there are. People that get on a soapbox and screem; Freedom and Liberty, are the most judgemental people there are.

"In politics, compromise and consensus may have to suffice, but in academia, it is absurd to let consensus, identity politics, subjective self-reference, or anything else supersede truth. The idea that we should call someone by the pronoun they desire rather than the pronoun they actually are is absurd and the one place we shouldn’t cater to this absurdity is in the university."

I guess when you were a kid, you got pissed that someone called you Steve or is it ok to call you Steve?

Hmm.

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J. Livingston's avatar

CRT taught in a Leftist law school like UCLA? I rest my case.

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David Bergerson's avatar

Every time you write something, you expose your complete stupidity to the readers. Your writings make me ponder if you have a medical issue or have been hit in the head recently.

https://gsehd.gwu.edu/news/new-course-crt

What next? Does the course have to be taught at a religious school?

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Steve's avatar

David

For you to call someone else stupid is absolutely unbelievable and the height of hypocrisy.

Please get to know Jesus before it’s too late.

Cheers

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David Bergerson's avatar

To know Jesus means nothing. To believe in a sky daddy is the epitome of stupidity.

It may be obvious that you know nothing of what J. Livingston has done in responding. The irony of what you wrote is that it is following the Golden Rule. J. Livingston has treated me with insult after insult. J. Livingston finally had an epiphany regarding this and we will see if the actions change. If they do, the responses will change.

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

David - J is intelligent and sober- you are a pedantic ideologue - your words carry no weight but you have made your ignorance public enough to show you are completely unselfaware- you should never have commented publicly!

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David Bergerson's avatar

Afraid of reading a dissenting perspective? To paraphrase from the insecure orange man, "Sad."

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Earl Brown's avatar

WHAT !!??? Are you kidding? J. Livingston is THE most thoughtful, intelligent contributor to this forum. She’s the only read I pursue thoroughly.

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J. Livingston's avatar

PS: it has been long regarded by Washington DC insiders, that GWU is just one more CIA training ground front. Carry on.

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David Bergerson's avatar

You proved the point. There is NOTHING that will remove your opinion. No fact can change your opinion. That is a very sad state to live in.

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J. Livingston's avatar

DB: I am a firm believer in getting first hand experience on the ground before propagating second hand agendas. I started my own travels to seek answers first by going to the Soviet Union in the 1970's to meet these people we were spending so much of our US tax dollars to kill and contain back then.

What I found was profoundly different from the US propaganda at the time. Both good and bad. But it taught me a very good first lesson - what we think we know from the outside can be very different from what we learn on our own by actually going to the primary resources.

Love your string of introductory insults, each time you address me. If I were younger or less well traveled and inherently curious, they might be unsettling. But now I speak only from what I have learned first hand on my own, with a great deal of on the ground first person engagement. Thank you for providing fodder for discussion.

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David Bergerson's avatar

I just respond to you the way you started. I figured that if you wish to treat people that way, you are signifying how you want to be treated.

If you think that by telling me that you have to go to places to learn, then I will continue calling you ignorant. I do not need to see a murder to know it is bad.

BUT . . . and that is capitalized for emphasizing how important this, yes, I agree. There is a lot of propaganda that the GOVERNMENT pushes. There have been movies made over that topic. What is interesting to me is that you find skepticism on government propaganda and try and educate yourself, but your opinions bias your ability to be skeptical of your own beliefs. Hmm.

At what point did you feel you knew everything?

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

"undermining the American Republic as opposed to assimilating into its culture"

What culture? And to what concern is it to undermine America? The American Republic is not some sacred concept - it's a nation formed by liberalism - which has always negated the presence of God and sullied truth by propping up pluralism of indifference. This Republic has always been hostile of Catholicism and the revolution it was founded on - no matter how detestable heretical England was - was still anti traditional.

Again I ask, what culture is there to integrate into? What are American values?

Individualism? That's destructive of the family. Bourgeoise (I don't care to spell it right - the third estate deserves nothing) materialism? That's just mammon worship.

"An entire continent needed to be populated and tamed"

Sounds like "Manifest Destiny" - a most asinine and blasphemous ideal - one conceived by an imperial protestant ethos (in a secular nation) that didn't even see the natives as subjects, but obstacles. And again, what exactly was there to be tamed? Populated by whom? Modernists?

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Steven Jonathan Rummelsburg's avatar

It is Western Civilization Theo- I know you are faithful and I agree with your complaints as secondary rotten fruit, but you don't want to miss the good fruit from that crossroads where Jerusalem and Athens meet as an artifact of ideological roots implicitly planted in your soul. The big picture is the Western Tradition in the womb of Christendom. The little picture is the wayward American Experiment that is in need of a return to its true roots-

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Dan Martin's avatar

The author of this piece thinks it’s wrong to assume that racism is the reason people support giving refugee status to white farmers. He is correct. But, he doesn’t think there is anything wrong with assuming (as he does) nefarious rationale from those supporting refugee status for other groups. He's incorrect.

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daniel Heald's avatar

Oh what fun. Small issue about whtes in Africa. Were they welcomed with open arms to improve the well being of the country or were they taking land at the end of a gun barrel(from the native peoples)?

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Santa Barbara Current's avatar

Isn’t an injustice anywhere a threat to justice everywhere?

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J. Livingston's avatar

No, they did not take those empty lands that belonged to no one. Please read up on the entire history of this part of the African continent, before spouting lurid Hollywood tropes about the evil, grasping white man. Stick to the Belgium Congo where real atrocities occurred under King Leopold, if you want your African wish fulfillment claims to have legs.

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daniel Heald's avatar

Thanks JL for echoing my point precisely.

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Mark's avatar

Refugees, racial equity, LBGTQ, and feminism. Have been used to remove merit based advancement, equal self ownership, and equal rights from the established majority for decades, and successfully individuals as well. Individual advancement in any society should be based on merit, and effort.

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Earl Brown's avatar

It’s a hot topic for sure, and attracts lots of politically correct fanatics. I posed this little bon mot several months ago:

“I figured my new wife wasn’t a very good cook when I came in the kitchen one day and saw a band of Pygmies dipping their arrows in her gravy.”

Some knucklehead raved about me being prejudiced, bigoted etc. I said “Hey dummy - it’s a joke!”

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david mccalmont's avatar

The late great British historian Paul Johnson began his magnificent History of the American People by saying every nation came into being through violence and/or conquest. So it was with the U.S.A.; and so it was with the Union of South Africa. The Dutch landed in what is now Capetown in the 17th century to set up a fueling station for the Dutch East Indies burgeoning colonies in what is known today as Indonesia. They got there before the British and the Bantu. Four hundred years ago, in what today is modern South Africa, the interior Veld was inhabited mainly by scattered tribes of nomadic Bush People, whose racial makeup was more akin to Asiatic peoples than black African peoples from the North. Later on when the British arrived in the Capetown area, friction developed between the conservative Dutch and the more liberal British and Jews. At this point, the Dutch took off inland at about the same time as the Bantu tribes descended south from central Africa. Both the Dutch (Boers) and the less nomadic Bantu encountered the Bush People in the Veld from which the cities of Pretoria and Johannesburg later developed. The history of the nation we now know as South Africa arose from the clash of Dutch, British, Bantu and Bush People vying for dominance in the same land. The story of these peoples angling for power in this mysterious and beautiful land is extremely complex. All of us should drop our preconceived notions and assumptions when searching for the truth in this southern African land which is not a whole lot different than the story behind the U.S., Canada, Australia or Israel.

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J. Livingston's avatar

When one reads the entire Emma Lazarus poem attached informally to the Statue of Liberty, it hard to ignore this poem refers only to the Ellis Island, primarily Northern European migration. There are references to gates and doors, as equally essential parts of finally gaining lawful admission to the United States of America.

"Give me you tired a poor" as a stand alone first line out of context to the entire poem..... used as an excuse for open borders and a statement of "who we are" as Nation, is pure bunk.

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ForestDi56's avatar

It seems humans in general tend to racism. Culture and skin color and political structures and religious structures all seem to want “protecting” by local areas who prefer to keep out others who would change those factors. Then there are those within an area who want change for monetary and political reasons and thus bring in those peoples who will help promote those changes. Then, human trafficking is an odd, human-species practice that ALL humans of ALL races seem to think is OK to practice on each other. So long as the slave is “other” and therefore unworthy of any other status than being used. Then, we have humans who move into an area already occupied by other humans so…we kill off the current occupants to make room for the new occupants. Something we as rise to invasive species such as invasive wildflowers, but seem to think is OK when our preferred culture does it to another culture living in a place we want.

I don’t support what the black Afrikans are doing to white families. Then again, I didn’t much care for white people moving into Afrikan areas and changing it to suit white cultures. I’m not real comfy with American government’s attitude to the tribal people who were here and living on land white settlers thought they had a right to. Nor am I happy with the current practice of human trafficking by white Americans and foreign cartels moving hapless people around like so much cattle. I’m not fond of illegal immigrants because it’s the same thing white European settlers did to America so that white people, here are being overrun by other cultures and races. It seems a never ending circle of insanity in general.

We have a ways to go before this species can mange itself in a peaceful manner. And a ways to go before the pendulum swings of karma settle out. Like a dude once said, “those who have no sin may throw the first rocks.” Also, throwing rocks in glass houses is unwise.

With regards to white folks in Africa, it’s probably best they leave if they feel persecuted. What they own was originally stolen. Then again, where would Americans go if our Indian tribes wanted THEIR land back?

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David Bergerson's avatar

Forest, just jumping in here with a tiny pet peeve of mine :)

As locals, we are familar with the overlook on the 154 onto the lake. One day I was there and a couple, with a few kids were showing up to look at the view. The parents were in the front and then one of the kids, a daughter, roughly 16-20 years old, mumbled, "Stolen Land!" I took that as a cue to put my foot in my mouth :) I replied, "Yeah! I wonder who the Chumash stole it from."

The point that I wanted to make to that young lady was that people make a huge mistake in thinking that the various tribes of indians were all unified and sitting around a campfire singing Kumbaya. There is a reason why the tribes identify themselves as a nation. So you had the all the different 'nations' fighting for land.

What is different today? Honestly, not much. We are just the latest to 'steal' the land from someone, who stole it from someone, who stole it from someone, who . . . well, you get the picture.

One day, people will realize that the actions humans took three thousand years ago is not much different than the actions humans take today. Then, I hope that they realize that we are all humans on a spinning rock in space and we can either figure out how to get along, or just keep killing each other. In the end, the rock will still be here and we will be food for worms.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Please do better homework about the history of South Africa before reaching unfounded conclusions about who was there first, who did what to whom, and what are the consequences today for this latest chapter in its history. This "stolen land" lie need to die first, That is pure Leftist propaganda, just like CRT and "climate change". Land ownership is an Anglo construct imposed only after the arrival of the Anglo recorded land holding traditions.

Before it was might makes right, you "owned" only what you could defend. And "white people" had nothing to do with that system of "land ownership". There was one indigenous group - the Hottentots" in the Cape area when the Dutch arrived to set up a resupply base during early age of exploration - 1500's. Like many local population groups they hired primarily from being exposed to western diseases, not at the end of a gun.

The Dutch settlers -the Afrikkans -- were chased out of the Capetown area by the later arriving English commercial interests - the Boer Wars, remember? Tribal groups from others parts of Africa were also arriving into this area at the same time, so they were not "indigenous" either. South Africa, with its riches and limitations, was a blank slate and today owes its development to the entire range of its prior history of immigration into this area.

None of this excuses "apartheid" which came and went as one response to the growing tensions within this unstable mix of cultures and stages of economic development. This country has a complicated and rich history with contributions from all the current groups who all came pretty much at the same time. Learn from it - because all parts play a role in the whole of this country.

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