When people talk about how good it is that Charlie Kirk was assassinated, they're saying that he posed a threat to their feelings of safety in their authoritarian political party. Actually, why they really are glad Kirk was assassinated is because he offered a cure for their brainwashed imprisonment in Leftist tyranny. For all Leftists' fears about being put in concentration camps by Trump, what really terrified them about Kirk was he just talked to them. And he let them talk back. Freedom of speech and actual connection to other people makes Leftists reach for their masks and long for another lockdown. These people truly do live in prisons of their own making, and they'll kill anyone who tries to help them escape.
My left wing neighbor and retired physician will not engage in discussion of the covid scandal. My first cousin will not return my calls because I voted for Trump. The left is not interested in dialogue that challenges their ideology. You will be ignored, cancelled, fired, ridiculed, defamed or even murdered for the offense of challenging the left's ideology. The same party that chants conservatives are a threat to democracy violate a cornerstone of democracy each time they seek to silence the opposition. It is ironic that the Democrat party likes to call themselves the Democratic party while their actions are antithetical to democracy. I see no sign that the left will turn down the rhetoric in the aftermath of the murder of Kirk. Perhaps the Rubicon was crossed long ago but now there should be little doubt. It is not possible to reach common ground with the left, to reach across the isle or in any way achieve any good by bipartisan efforts with pure evil. The Democrat party must be defeated into oblivion.
For the left, it’s very important to their identity to say “you’re not one of us” - exclusiveness is key to the identity, thus the constraint on free thought, and speech. Heaven forbid one learns from dialog and debate.
I'll admit I've only knew Mr. Kirk by name and had never listened to or watched anything about him. Over the past two days I've watched a few videos, and while I don't agree with a majority of his positions, he was passionate and well spoken. Our democracy will be a weaker one without him and people like him from all viewpoints.
I agree with each and every one of Kirk's positions. He brought to college campus what they could not get in the mind rot of the classroom, honest dialogue vs Marxist indoctrination. In a way, Kirk had an easy job because his ideas make so much sense. It is easy to argue for limited government, second amendment rights, school choice, traditional values. It would be hard to argue the other side of these issues, what the left will murder to support. if you can't beat them, shoot them. I would love to hear a convincing argument against school choice, in favor of more government, in favor of socialism, in favor of men in women's sports, take your pick.
To hear all of these corrupt arguments, just enroll in any state funded university. If you don’t agree, don’t worry. You’ll be given low grades and will have the pleasure of being ostracized by your peers. Charlie Kirk was hugely popular because he offfered a different product: open and free debate where people could learn.
In SBUSD, it actually starts gently in elementary school where children are learned to fixate on the climate change narrative and worship the Leftist religion DEI and intersectionality.
Ever consider the fact that in public schools, universities, government employees their employment/income is based on taxing the private sector. No wonder they train students, form unions, etc. to wrench ever more money out of the taxpayers. It's a fundamental conflict of interest.
Jeff, just like your interaction with the Fire Department - I bet most of your friction in life is self-made. We have a home in the reddest part of CA and everyone gets along fine as long as we don't talk politics after three beers. If I forget something, they say it's because of Biden. I tell them I'll save the bottom of the Cheetos bag for them. We're all fine. We all trade tools and wave on the street.
Deep breaths Jeff. Then go out and tell those kids to get off your lawn. But thanks for catching my typo. You make your own social friction with your attitude, but that's just my guess. But then again, you make a lot of your own fiction too.....
I didn't say anything Charlie said offended me? I'm confused - where did you read that or infer that? As I said, I'm not in line with his politics, but he was passionate, and I admired that he was trying to have discussions.
I might be capital G godless, but I'm not godless. And I'm definitely not a communist!
Charlie Kirk’s murderer's headset is only marginally more radical than many on Left. Too often they cannot or will not engage in logical and/or reasoned dialogue that includes substance and verifiable facts…i.e., Covid, enforcing U.S. immigration law, so called gender identity, etc.
They frequently resort to name-calling or labeling in lieu of intelligent discourse. Worse, they “act out” as evidenced by the hundreds of riots and billions in property damage just in the past five years…without consequence. Imagine owning a Tesla with a Trump or pro-life sticker in Santa Barbara.
The role of education in the current "state of the state" ...particularly higher education...cannot be discounted.
The idiom “Agree to Disagree” has left the building.
Higher education only harvests the ripe fodder, sent to them from our taxpayer-funded K-12. We are not getting a good return for our "investments" in public education, when they crank out only a mono-culture mind set. And short-change curiosity and tools for independent enquiry.
Why was Charlie Kirk murdered? Because Charlie Kirk stood for everything the left hates. Successful, heterosexual white male, Christian, married with kids and a patriot. The perpetrator, now in custody will have time to discuss what exactly is his sick ideology. One of his shell casings was inscribed with “Hey fascist, catch!”
As I said yesterday, the left has become a satanic beast. The very fact that various social media sites has lit up with the most vile, sickening comments celebrating this horrific deed, tells us everything we need to know about a evil cabal that seeks to destroy our society that is based on Judeo Christian values.
As to the pronouns the shooter used, I’m not exactly sure, but I can guess.
Thank you Jim and Christine, and David for your thoughts, words and prayers. In Charlie’s words we must be more resilient now than ever before and see our Country re-bond as it had so magnificently done after the horrific events of 24 years ago yesterday.
The shooting suspect, Tyler Robinson, has been apprehended and justice will certainly be served. Now it is to us to carry Charlie’s words and beliefs forward for our country’s future.
Tipping Point? What sort of “writer” can’t remember the actual title …it’s Turning Point, and Charlie Kirk will always be remembered for his truth. You, I’m not so sure.
Ouch! I don't know if that was a really stupid mistake on my part or just another devious "dirty trick" by some evil leftist, but in any case, Turning Point it is, and you are correct. Thank you for noticing.
Very possible that it was the result of a “dirty trick” and I always enjoy your writing and send many of your articles to those who love excellent writing. Thank you for all you share! This was just a small exception and so glad you weren’t meaning any unkindness.🩷
Ironically, and perhaps intentionally, it’s essentially a very similar concept. Tipping point being the place where there is a shift, intentional or not. Turning point, where intended or not, one makes a correction in course.
Steve, thanks for your support. If I/we are ever in search of a new editor, we'd be looking for someone with exactly your proven ability to differentiate and explain!
For the last several years I have watched as people I considered friends one after another tell me the connection is severed, because I question the vaxx narrative or support an America First agenda. And I sorrowed over the loss of people I'd cared for, many for decades. But now, something has snapped in me. As I review the videos of people condemning Charlie Kirk and celebrating his death, I am no longer nostalgic for those whose minds seem to have been turned to pure evil. I no longer want to reason with those people, I don't want to try to educate them. They have chosen to support a Satanic agenda, and I am done with pretending there is hope for their souls. They have chosen their side, and have broken their connection to me. The feeling is mutual.
Pat" I had very similar awakening in myself recently with a TDS severed friendship and lately realized I didn't want to repair it either.
I have also come to answer the question "can't we all get along", with a firm and unapologetic, no. But can we find a way to live with each other anyway .... that remains work in progress, because we must.
This has been the same story since our nation's founding. They did not all get along either. So respect for our national history, and even the history of SCOTUS rulings is a sobering way to understand we have never all gotten along, but through it all we have survived as a nation anyway. Onwards to year 2026 and 250 years of not splintering over these fundamental divides.
Here we are in this thin blue edge of the country, so solidly committed to the Sanctuary State and Climate Change, and people who seem perfectly reasonable at first glance can reveal themselves as poisoned so brazenly. Just this morning I was speaking with someone about doing some work together and at one point he jokingly said "I can barely speak to my own brother, he's such a Trumper." Immediately my enthusiasm for the collaboration went flaccid. Reminds me of visiting Belfast decades ago, and asking my friends there how they can TELL who is which religion. By the color of their shoes? No, they told me as soon as anyone spoke they could tell by their accent, and if not that they knew once they learned someone's name. And instantly they knew if they could befriend that person or would hate them. We are there, here.
The shooting of Charlie Kirk is appalling. So was the shootings of two Minnesota Democratic legislators at their home earlier this summer, the attempted assassination of Pennsylvania’s Democratic governor Josh Shapiro in April, the series of shootings at the homes of four Democratic elected officials in New Mexico in 2022, the attempted kidnapping of Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer in 2020, the attempted pipe bombings at the homes of Barack Obama and Joe Biden in 2018, and the attack on former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband in 2022.
Violence begets violence. Think of Protestant and Catholic in Northern Ireland, Gaza and Israel, India and Pakistan.
This is more than a left / right issue. Each side says it is the other side causing the problem. It is not. It is both parties. This country has a wide acceptence of violence curing the dissagreement. It is in the culture, the very fabric of the country. Look at our TV and film and the casual use of violence to attract viewers.
Would removing the guns help? I hold that it would be a start. Or at least make it harder to use them.
No DH, removing guns would not help. Please think this one through a lot more. Guns do not have little legs and fingers to shoot themselves, for a start.
Australia, UK, France, their shootings are less, much less. By no means would removing guns be the silver bullet cure. But greater control of guns would help.
Maybe those countries profile potential shooters up front. Maybe they are societies the exhibit more self-control, or also offer a swifter connection between crime causation and immediate consequences.
Need to look at the entire culture, not just one specific mean of violence - guns. Maybe copious prior use of the guillotine in France created a more easily intimidated culture, when it came to law and order.
We are only now looking at the psychotrophic drug history of recent mass shooters, which was totally taboo in the past while we were only focused on "guns" and were willing to ingore multiple red flags thrown in our faces.
I share your concerns. That is not the issue. The means and the profile of the perpetrators needs a lot more attention, than just cheaply "blaming guns" which requires confiscating guns from millions of non-criminals who use them safely. or blaming the NRA whose primary goal is safe, responsible gun ownership.
We have a lot of gun control in California. So what kind of test case do we as state offer the rest of the nation from our own experience with "gun control"? When the last murder downtown was with a knife. I am glad we are starting to finally look at the profiles of shooters, and what flags came up ahead of time to understand a careful pattern of potential warnings. Let's keep digging into this on every level. We do share the same goal - stop the violence.
DH....Read John Lott's website on the topic: Crime Prevention Research Center.
Very informative. Pesky data. What do you define as "gun control"? There are obviously significant controls in place depending on the state of course. What additional control would you suggest? I'm not disagreeing that "control" does not have merilike a lot of things that's a matter of degree.
I have zero interest mimicking the aforementioned countries...zero.
I believe if guns are banned, only the criminals will find a way to access them. Less guns will only be replaced by other means of causing death which there are plenty.
"Would removing the guns help? I hold that it would be a start. Or at least make it harder to use them."
It makes little difference in a morally bankrupt culture held together by nothing but vague democratic and liberal platitudes. You need faith - not the American civic religion kind of Protestantism, you need Sacramental, Apostolic Catholicism to inform a moral, sacral order.
As long as people remain entrenched in cultural, moral, and social degeneracy - removing guns does nothing.
Your examples are reflective of your buddies on the Left. Does not sound like you researched what you posted.. Shapiro...Pelosi...????....etc. Might check your homework before you post such nonsense DH...your sources at MSNBC...CNN...etc., do you no favors.
Just to level the comments, more left oriented public figures have been killed than have right wing figures. And most liberal commentators have been far more responsible in their public condemnations of all political violence. Here's a reported comment of Congresswoman Mace: "The Democrats own this!" Reporter: "Does that mean that the Republicans own the killing of Melissa Hortman and her husband?" Mace: "Don't politicize this tragedy."
I am aware of mainstream stations (CNN, 'the View", MSNBC) platforming politicians and others who regularly refer to conservative views as "racist", "fascist", "Hitler". etc. Do mainstream media and politicians use this specific dehumanizing language to paint the Left? Worst I've heard is "libtard" which I considered mockery of the left's illogical thinking, not dehumanizing. Perhaps you can share more insights?
BH: Stick around. You will find Nancy Mace is not a mainstream conservative, but a bit edgy to be called a conservative spokesperson. Call us out too, when we chose only a fringe spokesperson to speak for the "left".
What do you think of the signs carried by local "Indivisible" and anti-ICE protestors who keep filling the local media with their few hundred person rallies? Are they fringy or mainstream liberal voices?
Burton, define "left"... Please share your list and the source of the killed...and the killers...hopefully your list does not include the Kennedy brothers...
I needed to included attempted killings as well, but there was Melissa Hortman and her husband (and their dog), with a follow up attempt on John Hoffman. The attempted kidnapping of Grethen Whitmer, the attempt on the Pensylvania governer and on Pelosi.
Jim, I didn't get the joke of the cartoon in light of my early morning. As usual I wake up early, 3ish. A little before 5am I woke to hear Ainsley at "Fox & Friends," say, "Stay with us, we'll have President Trump here on the couch."
I got awake quick and watched for the next hour. Here's my concern with your post. Ainsley asked the President how he can bring both sides together. . . His response was, "I couldn't care less about uniting this country."
Really? Then why should anyone that didn't vote for, or support President Trump ever tone down our opposition to you people?
I watched most of President Trump's visit to the set of "Fox and Friends" and don't recall him saying that, but it doesn't sound like him or something he may have said. I'll have to research this, but I have my doubts that you heard him correctly.
And Jim, I took Polly's advice and looked up Charles Kirk on YT. Right away I found the interview Bill Maher did with him a few months ago. Charlie stops the video at times and adds context to what he was thinking & saying. I enjoyed learning about Charlie. Also, Bill's body language was like he was looking at a rock star. Charlie sat back with his legs crossed, relaxed. Bill was leaning forward, almost out of his chair at times. One last impression, Charlie could have played the next actor as Superman.
Well, I watched it but I didn’t hear Trump say what you said he did.
Why make up a statement that is not factual or real? Why not just quote the person, rather than interpret, postulate, and condemn? Or if you are going to do that, then say that’s what you're doing: reading between the lines or whatever.
Obviously, that program is filled with a bunch of Trump detractors. Ok, and Fox and Friends is peopled by Trump supporters. Trump was talking to his supporters, who generally agree with him, including me. I do believe the left’s Antifas and shooters are way more dangerous than the right’s “radicals,” if that’s what they are. Thanks for sending me the link.
Wow, the video link I sent you has Trump saying the very words I quoted. And how can you say Fox & Friends is "filled with a bunch of Trump detractors?" IT'S FOX NEWS!!!!
Tell me, what do you think of Trump? Why do you want unity with him or his supporters? Or by unity - do you simply desire his side tone down their rhetoric and become "weak"; they remain "civil" while for you it's open season on the MAGA movement?
If I recall you actively despise the MAGA movement as a whole and just about every policy decision they make - how could you ever have peace?
I say this not as a Trump supporter but as a Carlist - why do you, Dan, want unity? Is unity even a good thing? Why would anyone want "unity" with those who are not simply ideological, but moral opponents?
We have people operating on completely different moral frameworks whose ideas are incompatible with those of others.
To desire unity is a false peace, there is no hope of "uniting" the country except in a superficial manner.
You know that bumper sticker, the "Coexist" one with various world religions?
For me - that sticker is "Convert" and it's one of Catholic Supremacy.
Truth divides, we either side with, or against truth. Not to say that Trump sides with Truth [Carlism Gang], no - but the left is only in extreme circumstances aligned with truth, ans only then on ideological, not moral grounds.
"They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
When people talk about how good it is that Charlie Kirk was assassinated, they're saying that he posed a threat to their feelings of safety in their authoritarian political party. Actually, why they really are glad Kirk was assassinated is because he offered a cure for their brainwashed imprisonment in Leftist tyranny. For all Leftists' fears about being put in concentration camps by Trump, what really terrified them about Kirk was he just talked to them. And he let them talk back. Freedom of speech and actual connection to other people makes Leftists reach for their masks and long for another lockdown. These people truly do live in prisons of their own making, and they'll kill anyone who tries to help them escape.
My left wing neighbor and retired physician will not engage in discussion of the covid scandal. My first cousin will not return my calls because I voted for Trump. The left is not interested in dialogue that challenges their ideology. You will be ignored, cancelled, fired, ridiculed, defamed or even murdered for the offense of challenging the left's ideology. The same party that chants conservatives are a threat to democracy violate a cornerstone of democracy each time they seek to silence the opposition. It is ironic that the Democrat party likes to call themselves the Democratic party while their actions are antithetical to democracy. I see no sign that the left will turn down the rhetoric in the aftermath of the murder of Kirk. Perhaps the Rubicon was crossed long ago but now there should be little doubt. It is not possible to reach common ground with the left, to reach across the isle or in any way achieve any good by bipartisan efforts with pure evil. The Democrat party must be defeated into oblivion.
For the left, it’s very important to their identity to say “you’re not one of us” - exclusiveness is key to the identity, thus the constraint on free thought, and speech. Heaven forbid one learns from dialog and debate.
I'll admit I've only knew Mr. Kirk by name and had never listened to or watched anything about him. Over the past two days I've watched a few videos, and while I don't agree with a majority of his positions, he was passionate and well spoken. Our democracy will be a weaker one without him and people like him from all viewpoints.
I agree with each and every one of Kirk's positions. He brought to college campus what they could not get in the mind rot of the classroom, honest dialogue vs Marxist indoctrination. In a way, Kirk had an easy job because his ideas make so much sense. It is easy to argue for limited government, second amendment rights, school choice, traditional values. It would be hard to argue the other side of these issues, what the left will murder to support. if you can't beat them, shoot them. I would love to hear a convincing argument against school choice, in favor of more government, in favor of socialism, in favor of men in women's sports, take your pick.
To hear all of these corrupt arguments, just enroll in any state funded university. If you don’t agree, don’t worry. You’ll be given low grades and will have the pleasure of being ostracized by your peers. Charlie Kirk was hugely popular because he offfered a different product: open and free debate where people could learn.
Agree...nor are the high schools immune from your correct comment.
In SBUSD, it actually starts gently in elementary school where children are learned to fixate on the climate change narrative and worship the Leftist religion DEI and intersectionality.
Ever consider the fact that in public schools, universities, government employees their employment/income is based on taxing the private sector. No wonder they train students, form unions, etc. to wrench ever more money out of the taxpayers. It's a fundamental conflict of interest.
Jeff, just like your interaction with the Fire Department - I bet most of your friction in life is self-made. We have a home in the reddest part of CA and everyone gets along fine as long as we don't talk politics after three beers. If I forget something, they say it's because of Biden. I tell them I'll save the bottom of the Cheetos bag for them. We're all fine. We all trade tools and wave on the street.
John Thomas the jibber speaks. My fiction is myself? Deep and meaningless. If Kirk had your power of persuasion, we would not know who he was.
Deep breaths Jeff. Then go out and tell those kids to get off your lawn. But thanks for catching my typo. You make your own social friction with your attitude, but that's just my guess. But then again, you make a lot of your own fiction too.....
thomas
just curious but what did Charlie say that offended you?
I didn't say anything Charlie said offended me? I'm confused - where did you read that or infer that? As I said, I'm not in line with his politics, but he was passionate, and I admired that he was trying to have discussions.
I might be capital G godless, but I'm not godless. And I'm definitely not a communist!
other than being a Godless communist you seem like a smart person!
Charlie Kirk’s murderer's headset is only marginally more radical than many on Left. Too often they cannot or will not engage in logical and/or reasoned dialogue that includes substance and verifiable facts…i.e., Covid, enforcing U.S. immigration law, so called gender identity, etc.
They frequently resort to name-calling or labeling in lieu of intelligent discourse. Worse, they “act out” as evidenced by the hundreds of riots and billions in property damage just in the past five years…without consequence. Imagine owning a Tesla with a Trump or pro-life sticker in Santa Barbara.
The role of education in the current "state of the state" ...particularly higher education...cannot be discounted.
The idiom “Agree to Disagree” has left the building.
Higher education only harvests the ripe fodder, sent to them from our taxpayer-funded K-12. We are not getting a good return for our "investments" in public education, when they crank out only a mono-culture mind set. And short-change curiosity and tools for independent enquiry.
Why was Charlie Kirk murdered? Because Charlie Kirk stood for everything the left hates. Successful, heterosexual white male, Christian, married with kids and a patriot. The perpetrator, now in custody will have time to discuss what exactly is his sick ideology. One of his shell casings was inscribed with “Hey fascist, catch!”
As I said yesterday, the left has become a satanic beast. The very fact that various social media sites has lit up with the most vile, sickening comments celebrating this horrific deed, tells us everything we need to know about a evil cabal that seeks to destroy our society that is based on Judeo Christian values.
As to the pronouns the shooter used, I’m not exactly sure, but I can guess.
Thank you Jim and Christine, and David for your thoughts, words and prayers. In Charlie’s words we must be more resilient now than ever before and see our Country re-bond as it had so magnificently done after the horrific events of 24 years ago yesterday.
The shooting suspect, Tyler Robinson, has been apprehended and justice will certainly be served. Now it is to us to carry Charlie’s words and beliefs forward for our country’s future.
Tipping Point? What sort of “writer” can’t remember the actual title …it’s Turning Point, and Charlie Kirk will always be remembered for his truth. You, I’m not so sure.
Ouch! I don't know if that was a really stupid mistake on my part or just another devious "dirty trick" by some evil leftist, but in any case, Turning Point it is, and you are correct. Thank you for noticing.
Very possible that it was the result of a “dirty trick” and I always enjoy your writing and send many of your articles to those who love excellent writing. Thank you for all you share! This was just a small exception and so glad you weren’t meaning any unkindness.🩷
Ironically, and perhaps intentionally, it’s essentially a very similar concept. Tipping point being the place where there is a shift, intentional or not. Turning point, where intended or not, one makes a correction in course.
Steve, thanks for your support. If I/we are ever in search of a new editor, we'd be looking for someone with exactly your proven ability to differentiate and explain!
Come on Jim. TURNING POINT not Tipping Point!
Thank you. This has been corrected on our site www.sbcurrent.com
Mrs. Erika Kirk, the widow of Turning Point USA Founder & CEO Charlie Kirk, will deliver live remarks to the media, her first public address.
https://www.youtube.com/live/_nvJq1nN6Wo?si=S0v6FjS3VnxVGeBp
Scroll forward -Starts at 16:16
Charlie Kirk - It's More Than Just A Murder!
https://rumble.com/v6ytfju-charlie-kirk-its-more-than-just-a-murder.html
Thank you…
Wonderful commentary at a time when we need it!
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For the last several years I have watched as people I considered friends one after another tell me the connection is severed, because I question the vaxx narrative or support an America First agenda. And I sorrowed over the loss of people I'd cared for, many for decades. But now, something has snapped in me. As I review the videos of people condemning Charlie Kirk and celebrating his death, I am no longer nostalgic for those whose minds seem to have been turned to pure evil. I no longer want to reason with those people, I don't want to try to educate them. They have chosen to support a Satanic agenda, and I am done with pretending there is hope for their souls. They have chosen their side, and have broken their connection to me. The feeling is mutual.
Pat" I had very similar awakening in myself recently with a TDS severed friendship and lately realized I didn't want to repair it either.
I have also come to answer the question "can't we all get along", with a firm and unapologetic, no. But can we find a way to live with each other anyway .... that remains work in progress, because we must.
This has been the same story since our nation's founding. They did not all get along either. So respect for our national history, and even the history of SCOTUS rulings is a sobering way to understand we have never all gotten along, but through it all we have survived as a nation anyway. Onwards to year 2026 and 250 years of not splintering over these fundamental divides.
Dilbert cartoon creator Scott Adams had some interesting thoughts about this very topic too, and his own major mind shift in just the past few days. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/scott-adams-murder-charlie-kirk-i-believe-democrat/
Here we are in this thin blue edge of the country, so solidly committed to the Sanctuary State and Climate Change, and people who seem perfectly reasonable at first glance can reveal themselves as poisoned so brazenly. Just this morning I was speaking with someone about doing some work together and at one point he jokingly said "I can barely speak to my own brother, he's such a Trumper." Immediately my enthusiasm for the collaboration went flaccid. Reminds me of visiting Belfast decades ago, and asking my friends there how they can TELL who is which religion. By the color of their shoes? No, they told me as soon as anyone spoke they could tell by their accent, and if not that they knew once they learned someone's name. And instantly they knew if they could befriend that person or would hate them. We are there, here.
The shooting of Charlie Kirk is appalling. So was the shootings of two Minnesota Democratic legislators at their home earlier this summer, the attempted assassination of Pennsylvania’s Democratic governor Josh Shapiro in April, the series of shootings at the homes of four Democratic elected officials in New Mexico in 2022, the attempted kidnapping of Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer in 2020, the attempted pipe bombings at the homes of Barack Obama and Joe Biden in 2018, and the attack on former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband in 2022.
Violence begets violence. Think of Protestant and Catholic in Northern Ireland, Gaza and Israel, India and Pakistan.
This is more than a left / right issue. Each side says it is the other side causing the problem. It is not. It is both parties. This country has a wide acceptence of violence curing the dissagreement. It is in the culture, the very fabric of the country. Look at our TV and film and the casual use of violence to attract viewers.
Would removing the guns help? I hold that it would be a start. Or at least make it harder to use them.
No DH, removing guns would not help. Please think this one through a lot more. Guns do not have little legs and fingers to shoot themselves, for a start.
Australia, UK, France, their shootings are less, much less. By no means would removing guns be the silver bullet cure. But greater control of guns would help.
Maybe those countries profile potential shooters up front. Maybe they are societies the exhibit more self-control, or also offer a swifter connection between crime causation and immediate consequences.
Need to look at the entire culture, not just one specific mean of violence - guns. Maybe copious prior use of the guillotine in France created a more easily intimidated culture, when it came to law and order.
We are only now looking at the psychotrophic drug history of recent mass shooters, which was totally taboo in the past while we were only focused on "guns" and were willing to ingore multiple red flags thrown in our faces.
I share your concerns. That is not the issue. The means and the profile of the perpetrators needs a lot more attention, than just cheaply "blaming guns" which requires confiscating guns from millions of non-criminals who use them safely. or blaming the NRA whose primary goal is safe, responsible gun ownership.
We have a lot of gun control in California. So what kind of test case do we as state offer the rest of the nation from our own experience with "gun control"? When the last murder downtown was with a knife. I am glad we are starting to finally look at the profiles of shooters, and what flags came up ahead of time to understand a careful pattern of potential warnings. Let's keep digging into this on every level. We do share the same goal - stop the violence.
And better recognition of potential nutcases.
DH: Gun control in Switzerland - very high gun ownership and very low gun homicide. How do we replicate the overall Swiss ethos in America?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland
Nutcases are created by the Dems with their vitriolic speech.
DH....Read John Lott's website on the topic: Crime Prevention Research Center.
Very informative. Pesky data. What do you define as "gun control"? There are obviously significant controls in place depending on the state of course. What additional control would you suggest? I'm not disagreeing that "control" does not have merilike a lot of things that's a matter of degree.
I have zero interest mimicking the aforementioned countries...zero.
I believe if guns are banned, only the criminals will find a way to access them. Less guns will only be replaced by other means of causing death which there are plenty.
"Would removing the guns help? I hold that it would be a start. Or at least make it harder to use them."
It makes little difference in a morally bankrupt culture held together by nothing but vague democratic and liberal platitudes. You need faith - not the American civic religion kind of Protestantism, you need Sacramental, Apostolic Catholicism to inform a moral, sacral order.
As long as people remain entrenched in cultural, moral, and social degeneracy - removing guns does nothing.
Your examples are reflective of your buddies on the Left. Does not sound like you researched what you posted.. Shapiro...Pelosi...????....etc. Might check your homework before you post such nonsense DH...your sources at MSNBC...CNN...etc., do you no favors.
Just to level the comments, more left oriented public figures have been killed than have right wing figures. And most liberal commentators have been far more responsible in their public condemnations of all political violence. Here's a reported comment of Congresswoman Mace: "The Democrats own this!" Reporter: "Does that mean that the Republicans own the killing of Melissa Hortman and her husband?" Mace: "Don't politicize this tragedy."
I am aware of mainstream stations (CNN, 'the View", MSNBC) platforming politicians and others who regularly refer to conservative views as "racist", "fascist", "Hitler". etc. Do mainstream media and politicians use this specific dehumanizing language to paint the Left? Worst I've heard is "libtard" which I considered mockery of the left's illogical thinking, not dehumanizing. Perhaps you can share more insights?
BH: Stick around. You will find Nancy Mace is not a mainstream conservative, but a bit edgy to be called a conservative spokesperson. Call us out too, when we chose only a fringe spokesperson to speak for the "left".
What do you think of the signs carried by local "Indivisible" and anti-ICE protestors who keep filling the local media with their few hundred person rallies? Are they fringy or mainstream liberal voices?
Burton, define "left"... Please share your list and the source of the killed...and the killers...hopefully your list does not include the Kennedy brothers...
I needed to included attempted killings as well, but there was Melissa Hortman and her husband (and their dog), with a follow up attempt on John Hoffman. The attempted kidnapping of Grethen Whitmer, the attempt on the Pensylvania governer and on Pelosi.
Jim, I didn't get the joke of the cartoon in light of my early morning. As usual I wake up early, 3ish. A little before 5am I woke to hear Ainsley at "Fox & Friends," say, "Stay with us, we'll have President Trump here on the couch."
I got awake quick and watched for the next hour. Here's my concern with your post. Ainsley asked the President how he can bring both sides together. . . His response was, "I couldn't care less about uniting this country."
Really? Then why should anyone that didn't vote for, or support President Trump ever tone down our opposition to you people?
Dan,
I watched most of President Trump's visit to the set of "Fox and Friends" and don't recall him saying that, but it doesn't sound like him or something he may have said. I'll have to research this, but I have my doubts that you heard him correctly.
And Jim, I took Polly's advice and looked up Charles Kirk on YT. Right away I found the interview Bill Maher did with him a few months ago. Charlie stops the video at times and adds context to what he was thinking & saying. I enjoyed learning about Charlie. Also, Bill's body language was like he was looking at a rock star. Charlie sat back with his legs crossed, relaxed. Bill was leaning forward, almost out of his chair at times. One last impression, Charlie could have played the next actor as Superman.
Here’s the clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DKPhP_FPLw
Dan,
Well, I watched it but I didn’t hear Trump say what you said he did.
Why make up a statement that is not factual or real? Why not just quote the person, rather than interpret, postulate, and condemn? Or if you are going to do that, then say that’s what you're doing: reading between the lines or whatever.
Obviously, that program is filled with a bunch of Trump detractors. Ok, and Fox and Friends is peopled by Trump supporters. Trump was talking to his supporters, who generally agree with him, including me. I do believe the left’s Antifas and shooters are way more dangerous than the right’s “radicals,” if that’s what they are. Thanks for sending me the link.
Jim
Wow, the video link I sent you has Trump saying the very words I quoted. And how can you say Fox & Friends is "filled with a bunch of Trump detractors?" IT'S FOX NEWS!!!!
Dan, I was referring to the show that was making all the comments about Trump's visit to Fox and Friends.
I think that was an accurate summary. You may want to rewatch the interview then.
Tell me, what do you think of Trump? Why do you want unity with him or his supporters? Or by unity - do you simply desire his side tone down their rhetoric and become "weak"; they remain "civil" while for you it's open season on the MAGA movement?
If I recall you actively despise the MAGA movement as a whole and just about every policy decision they make - how could you ever have peace?
It's incoherent.
I say this not as a Trump supporter but as a Carlist - why do you, Dan, want unity? Is unity even a good thing? Why would anyone want "unity" with those who are not simply ideological, but moral opponents?
We have people operating on completely different moral frameworks whose ideas are incompatible with those of others.
To desire unity is a false peace, there is no hope of "uniting" the country except in a superficial manner.
You know that bumper sticker, the "Coexist" one with various world religions?
For me - that sticker is "Convert" and it's one of Catholic Supremacy.
Truth divides, we either side with, or against truth. Not to say that Trump sides with Truth [Carlism Gang], no - but the left is only in extreme circumstances aligned with truth, ans only then on ideological, not moral grounds.
"They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”