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Jim Buckley's avatar

S.2 Why not just find another place to spew this... not sure what to call it, but there is no conversation to be had on this site.

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Eric Gordon's avatar

the thing that gets me is that it was all so f’ng obvious what the Dems were doing and it took 8 years (the intelligent critical thinking part of me wants to say 50 years) for the American people to finally rise up en mass and overthrow this Marxist ideology.

We were so easily brought down by our own greed, gluttony, cowardice and sense of guilt. It was/is scary to think about.

But think about it we must. Or it will happen again

I am Jewish but not particularly religious. What I fear most is not any external forces like countries or ideologies but rather our susceptibility to the 7 cardinal sins (I believe they are Christian faith origin:

Pride,

Greed,

Wrath,

Lust,

Envy,

Gluttony, and

Sloth

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Earl Brown's avatar

Oh oh, I'm lazy and sometimes eat like a pig - does that make me a sinner?

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LT's avatar

Thank you Monica and Jeff for your thought provoking thesis. Yes, voters finally realized, we as a country were at the tipping point and enough was enough. Finally, in pain site for all to see was a Democratic Party which was so toxic, vile and divisive that the American public had no choice but to reject. Men playing women’s sports, gender ideology and sex reassignments affecting our children, crushing debt and out of control illegal immigration all made the choice for President and down ballot candidates a “no brainer.” The next battle will be right here in California. The smart money has Kamala running for governor and basically, picking up where she left off. Time will tell, but hopefully voters will not be tired of winning and want the same for our once golden state!

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George Russell's avatar

This was our 1776 moment. Trump is our new George Washington.

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J. Livingston's avatar

S.2: OWS (Operation Warp Speed) was the fevered dream of Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci in an unholy alliance with BigPharm and the UN, starting years prior to even Trump's first election. Your facts are wrong.

Democrat weaponization of "covid" in election year 2020 remains the sole culprit for any excesses and the curiously slavish reaction of the vast majority of Democrat followers. Trump was struggling to bring this nation out of "covid" (all on public record) by the end of 2020. Biden is the one who plunged this nation into draconian "covid" darkness after 2020. How did you get your facts so upside down?

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Polly Frost's avatar

S.2 - I voted for Trump three times. I love Trump. And I did not get vaxxed. You did not have to get vaxxed. Trump had no choice at the beginning of Covid but to do OWS to get the vax created. But he did not make my life miserable or incarcerate me because I did not take the vax. You are confusing the making of the vax with the mandatory lockdowns, masking, shutting down of businesses, and other totalitarian abuses of Covid, none of which were done by Trump but were done by Democrat leaders like Governor Newsom.

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Thomas John's avatar

Can you explain how Gates and Fauci where involved? From my understanding this is just wacky stuff that tints your normally accurate fiscal comments.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Your conclusions do not align with the facts, S.2.. Who is feeding you this stuff?

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J. Livingston's avatar

S.2: Who mandated the "covid" vaccine. Who threatened the nation "covid" was the cruses of the unvaccinated? Did you take the "covid" injections and now regret it? Do you feel betrayed by your "government" as an authority figure over this one singular issue, that you keep raising.

Also: Did you follow the earlier precautions against this unregulated and novel drug experiment, as presented by the Frontline doctors group? Are you trying to blame Trump now, for your own uninformed personal decisions made about this novel and experimental injection?

(PS: no need to answer these personal questions. You own medical history is and should remain private.)

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DLDawson's avatar

FYI…Trump saved 100s of millions of lives with OWS…

https://stopworldcontrol.com/fema/

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DLDawson's avatar

S2, Great to see that you’re pursuing Truths, but you’ve take on Trump and Operation Warp Speed is not there yet. OWP well go down in history as one of the greatest military lifts of all time, but more importantly, a great play by Team Trump in this silent world war.

Their plan was to keep us locked down for 6, 8, or 10 years, all the while slow rolling the CRT, DEI, 1619, queerification of the language, drag queens, transgenderism, etc., etc., while bankrupting the American populous.

Trump is playing the long game, with Peace as The Prize… here’s a different take and summary of some of the moves made over the near past by Team Trump (Q is, who is helping Trump)…

https://x.com/kagdrogo/status/1856831192097853839?s=61

PS… Our leaders aren't stupid. They're not incompetent either. They're ……..

Cheers to all the people who can change their minds when presented with information that contradicts their beliefs!!!

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daniel Heald's avatar

God I have read some clap trap, this takes the biscuit, sorry cookie. Trump has no principals except one. How does he benefit from what ever activity he is involved in. This could be financial, or image, he does not care. The man is not fit to be a leader and never has been. To write a peice conflating Trump to an educated higher plane of thought is risable.

This is a man who breaks contracts with small contractors to reduce his costs. This is a man who could not sell vodka. His airline did not last long either. Trump's unsuccessful business ventures have included numerous casinos and hotel bankruptcies, the folding of his New Jersey Generals football team, and Trump University. He and his businesses have been involved in more than 4,000 legal actions, including six business bankruptcies.

This election was more about a protest vote against the governing bodies. In the UK the reverse happened. The right was thrown out and the left won with less votes than an extreme left Jeremy Corbyn candidate in 2019.

Stop papering over all the cracks in the win, because thewre are far too many. The very presence of two poor alternatives for President speaks volumes for me as to the real decline taking place in the western society.

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Elaine's avatar

I agree. Today I witnessed a parade of honking, American flag bearing, banner waving cars on their way somewhere in SB. The election is over. It occurred to me that if Democrats had won, you wouldn’t see such a spectacle. It felt like an assault and a very insensitive one. It felt like a big fat bully had announced inself in town. To what purpose? It only served to make me angry and dislike all those people who I don’t want to dislike just because I disagree with them. I feel like people have reduced themselves to a grammer school playground at one extreme and a Nazi like mob at the other extreme. Please stop. It’s unnecessary. You have the man you voted for in the White House. What are you trying to accomplish? Certainly not unity. It’s sad.

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J. Livingston's avatar

The TDS sounds strong in you, Elaine. Hope you find a way to survive the next four years. Are you personally worried about losing a government job?

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Elaine's avatar

No. I’m worried about the anger and hatred that seems to have fueled this election. I’m worried about the destruction of our democratic institutions and balance of power (flawed as they are). I’m worried about the lack of civility and decency and respect that comes out of the mouths of elected people. I’m worried that the elites (trump, his minions, musk , corporate exes etc) will milk the middle class, amass wealth and power and leave them scratching their heads about why they voted for him. I’m worried about losing the right to free speech. I’m worried about the absolute disregard of facts and the indoctrination of lies. The list is long…..and I hope I’m wrong about all of it.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Only you claim this was a showing "anger and hatred". It was in fact a showing of freedom and jubilation. Do you honestly have no clue about what the Democrat majorities have done to crush the spirit of America these past few decades?

The yoke of our current deep state tyranny was lifted. The people spoke. Why are you still pretending you have no context for this reaction. What is your own personal investment keeping the deep state tyranny funded and intact?

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Elaine's avatar

I don’t have one. You asked if I was worried about losing a government job. I responded with what I AM worried about. I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I am trying to understand the reaction. Much of it I think I do. Much I still can’t come to terms with. Perhaps you might try to understand as well. There doesn’t seem to be much interest in that.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Elaine, Start by reading Red State and Townhall, sign up for Bo Snerdly's daily news digests for just a few simple suggestions if you are sincere about understanding what just happened. Get a new and positive feel for this widespread demand for change America right now, as we head into our 250th year anniversary as a nation.

There are responsible media options today. Not just the former and highly partisan legacy media. virtually wholly-owned by the deep state, Big Government Democrat party. The proposed changes in at the LA Times is but one very welcome wake-up calls. They knew they had gone too far off the rails too. If you continue believing your own partisan fear-mongering sources, I can see why you might have such a truly negative vision for the future. Wean yourself from their own self-serving agenda.

Join the new positive spirit of America that made itself heard last election dayaand help build a better future for this country. This election would not have come as a surprise, as you now claim. Nor an act of hatred and anger as you assert .Your fears are unfounded and unnecessary. The county is operating as it was intended to operate.

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Jeff barton's avatar

As a questionably credible amateur guitarist my audience does not always clap. I have invented various devices of musical tricks which sound virtuosic but which are in fact gimmicks. I like to call them clap traps. Other musicians ridicule me for this but I just ignore all their claptrap.

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Thomas John's avatar

Interesting. I went down the string of one of the one of the other meanings of clap. But thats a dated noun.

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J. Livingston's avatar

DH: I remember hearing all these very same complaints down to the letter from back in 2015/2016, after his descent down the Trump Tower escalator. Why still cling to OrangemanBad and you are bad person for supporting him?

Yes, America did voice a sound rejection of prior Democrat misuses of our government. Trump articulated these frustrations early and best, when many were still feeling the crushing burden of Democrat and deep state censorship.

Dance with the gal who brung these necessary and welcome changes. Because your complaints continue to get no traction here, nor with the nation at large as recently registered in the sweep and breadth of this last election.

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daniel Heald's avatar

JL, There are standards, principles and ethics. Dancing with a gal just because he won has no attraction for me.

I am happy to be repeating truths from the previous campaigns. These are facts not innuendo or conspiricy theories.

I do not care if I get traction or not. I want truth to be articulated. A protest vote is very dangerous when the protesters reralise the promises are not being fulfilled. Think of the Obamma "yes we can" matra. It ended badly when the coalition of voters realised they were not gong to get their issue addressed.

I would be very surprised if it is different with this "gal".

The cost to remove layers of government will be nigh on impossible. The workers will have to be fired and there fore become disgruntled future voters, or be re-hired elswewhere in government employement. The expenses are still on the tax player.

It is easy to rouse a rabble on the election stump, to actually implement the promises from the stump is a very different thing.

With the track record of the orange man I am deeply worried that true change will not happen.

Take closing any goverment department. It sounds good on th

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J. Livingston's avatar

daniel heard: Are you worried about losing a government job? We are not worried about the future changes in governmental costs, efficiencies and bloat that are now required. That was the 2024 mandate. That is the mission for the new DOGE.

But you seen to be specifically worried. Thank you, for trotting out the talking points that will soon be saturating the "loyal opposition" defense games. . We now know what to look for from the Democrat hive mind.

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Elaine's avatar

Nasty. That is the only response. Might there be ANY opening now for a middle ground of understanding..of compassion…of curiosity…of good will? I think the far left went WAY too far in pushing their agenda. WAY too far. Is the antidote for the far right to do the same? Is there ANY room in the middle where we can understand each other and push together for sane policies and advocate for the common good we agree on?

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J. Livingston's avatar

Elaine, apparently "learn to code" is the proper response. There was no "far right" response. There was a sweeping national mandate to change. The days of taxpayer funding for Big Government, Bigger Government and their unions is over.

There remains support for limited governments as set out in our governing documents. Efficient government and accountable government that can be easily audited for performance and mission.

How will you support this new agenda demanded by the voters? Will you be an obstructionist for the mission of DOGE, or will you share insights into a better delivery of limited government services.

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Sawbilly's avatar

Nice piece. Your characterization of the two different and conflicting visions is great!

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Polly Frost's avatar

Thank you, Jeff and Monica, for a terrific piece. I haven't read Witness, so I'm not qualified to add anything here about Chambers/Hiss. But I'm curious about your thoughts on McCarthyism. To me, it has seemed very unfortunate and destructive, even though there were Communists, the way in which they went after them was a witch hunt. I grew up around people who were smeared by accusations of Communism. The people I grew up around who my family respected fought McCarthy's hunt. For example, my family's friends, Hallock and Jean Hoffman fought the loyalty oath one had to take in Pasadena in order to buy property. I think McCarthyism damaged legitimate, non-witch-hunt attempts to fight what Communists were trying to do in our education system, which is take it over. But I also think the John Birch Society, did more damage to actual concerns about Communism, than it did good.

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Earl Brown's avatar

Chambers’ fascination with his baby’s ear really got to me. I’ve done dumb stuff like that and come to the same conclusion - it wasn’t science, it was “Design presupposes God.”

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Earl Brown's avatar

It’s not the ‘Democrat Party,’ as tho the unwashed masses are organized and interested,

it’s the fact that _most_ people are so damn stupid they buy the new pablum and promises

their ‘leaders’ convince them is the right way to think.

You can imagine how exciting the ‘revelation’ of realizing how hip it is to adopt the new

ideals that gender change, woke, DEI etc. are the future, and if you don’t embrace

these ridiculous notions you’re yesterday’s news.

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Paul Aijian MD's avatar

Design does presuppose God.

The recent election was the latest battle in the war started in the garden of Eden. Trump is no saint , but his Democrat opponents clearly promote a program from the Prince of Darkness.

The person to ultimately settle accounts is Jesus, not any politician.

In the meantime, we can use our vote to encourage anyone closer to the ideals found between the pages of Genesis and Revelation.

By that standard, imperfect Trump was the obvious choice.

Self described atheists chose Kamala overwhelmingly, which makes total sense.

Keep praying for our elected leaders to bring peace and prosperity to our land. And keep looking up.

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J. Livingston's avatar

This instant flood of repetitive posts from the newly created "loyal opposition" shows a pattern and a plan - the deep state is now in deep protectionist mode. We are getting early hints of their game plan. Pay attention to what and how they are trying to claim their turf. Very instructional. Be ready for it.

Self-interest of course guides their entire agenda in face of the national referendum for fundamental change in how we govern ourselves closer to the original intent of the Founders and within the US Constitution.

Big Government and their unions are making their last stands, and we get to watch it in real time on this forum. SCOTUS as we speak is trimming back unlocked Big Government in major ways. More to come later. Expect the end of all government employee unions next.

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Julia Gonzales's avatar

Mr. and Mrs. Barton , Oh my God! I don’t even know where to start It sounds like you’re elevating trump to a pedestal higher than God Himself. It sounds like you’re saying God anointed trump by nicking his ear. You say trump has suffered. He has not suffered more than what he has brought upon himself, with actual evidence, with his lies and false morals. Everything that you accuse the Democrats of doing, has been previously done and done better by trump, especially the divisiveness.

As for the children being indoctrinated to switch gender or to become gay, how does that even work? What’s the purpose? Apparently the way trump describes it, is you send your little boy or girl to school in the morning and by the time they get home in the afternoon they’re a girl and boy. So now instead of having a little boy and girl, you now have a little girl and boy. Sounds idiotic to me.

Surgery recovery is pretty quick, amazing what you can do in a day. As usual trump likes to follow conspiracies. Where is the proof that this is actually being done? As for turning children gay, there’s no need to turn anyone gay is it is a natural process from birth. You can’t turn someone gay. It’s strange that this only seems to happen in Florida. But, it is the capital of burning and banning books. Drag queens are not the danger they’re made out to be. The enemy is the conspiracy filled minds of the maga swarm.

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J. Livingston's avatar

Sorry you have such a sour attitude, Julia. Wishing you a safe space for the next four years.

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Julia Gonzales's avatar

Mr. Livingston, thank you for the bit of sympathy, and I’m sorry that you think I have a sour attitude, but if so, it started in 2016. Be thankful it didn’t turn into a hateful attitude like half the country, that’s when people that previously hid their hatefulness were allowed to express it openly. Hmm, I’m not sure how to take that one sentence about a safe space. Is there something going to happen in the next four years that you know about, that I would need a safe space? Unfortunately, some people will not find safe spaces as evil invades them, like a Chinese community near Seattle experiencing random stabbing attacks on their citizens. Then today it was reported a group of men, dressed in black, marching up and down a city street in Ohio, masked and carrying Nazi flags. The maga leader won, why are these cowards still committing crimes against American citizens?

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Bill Russell's avatar

Fascinating story. Somethings just don't need to be comment upon and the story presented is one of them.

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peter hunt's avatar

When speaking or writing about humanity, why not use the word 'people' rather than 'man'? I'm suggesting the word people eliminates possible (and unnecessary) divisiveness.

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Monica Bond's avatar

The word "man" comes from the old English which included both sexes including children, It is

really sad that people are so offended so darn easily anymore. There are a lot more important things to worry about than the word "man" I think.

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rbsb's avatar

Thank you for this excellent essay on the parallelism of these two significant periods of our country. It brought back decades ago memories of my mother reading Witness and as a younger person I just saw a very thick book (I think there might have been photos I looked at in it). I am sure it must still be on the shelves in our family home. I shall ask my brother if it is.

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J. Livingston's avatar

We tried it "their way" for the past few years. While there may have been isolated successes, "their way" did not work overall. Now we need to try it another way. Until we blow it too ...again due to our own excesses. Learning in fact our unique system of governance is flexible and did not break after all, as observed in my own tumultuous romp over the past four-score years, may be the sole comfort we share in these current times.

Growing up in California in the 1950's I had no use for other parts of the country's demands for "prayer in schools" nor posting the 10 Commandments in public places. Never heard of such a thing in California in those days,, yet many of us of were reliable church members of our own choices. Those were our own "safe space" communities of shared values. I remain drawn to the need for some form of a shared moral code, as necessary for any civilization to survive.

This goes well beyond any particular religious exclusivity; but an enduring sense human behavior when coming together in groups both large and small do need shared basic guidelines. I now keep coming back to what those few short phrases captured perhaps 5000 years ago within the Judea-Christian tradition, , which are often duplicated in similar forms within in other civilization's moral codes as well. I now do like the idea of a shared moral code, and its repetition in some form of constant reminder.

Ironically, today both sides accuse the other of "bearing false witnesses". To the point of sheer exhaustion. But how can both be true, or both be false? The pendulum swings ...... yet again. But it does seem to always come back to center, at least for a while. May we enjoy the calm. May we guard against and be watchful for the return of swings to the excesses.

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Earl Brown's avatar

Excellent JL. re:

“We tried it "their way" for the past few years. While there may have been isolated successes, . . ."

I’d sure be interested in knowing of one. Including ‘Biden’ and ‘successes’ in the same rap is just plain blasphemy! :)

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