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Polly Frost's avatar

But we wouldn't have Salud Carbajal if he'd been deported! And look how much he's done for the city that took him in! Look how much he cares about the citizens who pay his salary! Some elected officials would just do their job. But not Salud. He knows it's much more important to give the finger to Trump than it is to fix our problems. If only we could have millions more like Salud this world would be a bigger shithole.

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Jeff barton's avatar

Yea, verily

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elcx's avatar
Jul 2Edited

There are only two due process questions to ask:

1. Do you have a US Passport?

2. Do you have legal permission to reside in this country?

Having myself been a legal guest worker for several years, in two different European countries. I remain stunned at demands made by illegal border crossers. They are not victims. They are knowing malfeasors. That is where I start.

But I also support legal work permits according to defined labor needs of any permitting country and choosing to live under the threat that permit can be pulled at any time, depending on the 100% exercise of the host counties needs and regulations.

When one is a guest worker, they are a guest. No other unbargained rights accrue. End of the discussion.

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Robert "Bob" Smith's avatar

Other misconceptions the news likes to throw out against the current administration:

1. Trump has the lowest overall deportation volume, nowhere near Clinton and Obama, but the most lawsuits for it by a staggering amount. Someone is going to respond, “but it’s the way he’s doing it, inhumane and no due process.” Clinton created expedited deportation. Obama was family separation and “cages” at the border, also used expedited deportation. There’s a lot of hypocrisy.

2. To stay on topic with the article, the media and left likes to say deporting undocumented goes against us being a country of immigrants, not true. We have 54 million immigrants in the U.S. 4 times the amount of the next country. In fact only about 10% of the countries in the world even accept immigrants. 90% have virtually none.

There are about 244 million immigrants worldwide, which means the U.S. has 22% of the world’s immigrants! Even if you subtract the undocumented, we still account for 16% of the world total immigrant population, which is 3 times the next country.

We are by far the most accepting and kindest country on Earth to immigrants, and we shouldn’t let people change that narrative because our country is taking a stand against the abuse of that kindness.

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David Bergerson's avatar

There are quite a few inaccuracies here, and you're conflating separate issues.

First, let’s stick to the actual deportation numbers, which are the relevant comparison:

Clinton averaged ~638 removals per day during his presidency.

Obama averaged ~1,060/day.

Trump (first term) averaged ~698/day.

Trump (second term) is claiming ~1,400/day, though independent estimates suggest the real number is lower—likely between 700–1,000/day so far.

Now, regarding expedited deportation and due process:

Yes, Clinton signed the IIRIRA in 1996, which created expedited removal. But what Trump has done—repeatedly ending legal proceedings mid-hearing to prevent eligible migrants from receiving relief—is not the same.

That’s where lawsuits come in: not simply for enforcing immigration law, but for violating it. Courts have ruled multiple times that Trump’s policies have broken the law or violated due process, including unlawful removals, family separation without tracking systems, and misuse of humanitarian parole limits.

As for the claim that the U.S. has 54 million immigrants and is the most generous country to them:

The actual number is around 47.8 to 53.3 million foreign-born individuals, depending on the source and how you count (e.g., legal vs. undocumented).

That includes naturalized citizens, green card holders, visa holders, and undocumented individuals—not all are non-citizens.

The undocumented population is estimated at ~10–11 million.

Globally, the UN estimates there are about 304 million international migrants. If the U.S. has ~50 million, that’s about 16–17% of the world’s immigrant population, not 22%. Still a large share, but the rest of the world is not sitting at zero—Canada, Germany, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and the UK also host millions.

Finally, framing enforcement as the opposite of kindness is a false binary. The issue isn’t whether the U.S. should enforce immigration law—it’s how we do it, and whether it aligns with the Constitution and international norms. That’s what much of the criticism is about.

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Robert "Bob" Smith's avatar

Thank you for proving my point David. I don’t care if you use the high or low numbers they are both way over the rest of the world. It’s a little beneath your normal argument to say “you said 54M and it’s actually 53.3M…”c’mon.

My numbers or your numbers, the narrative we don’t support legal immigration is unequivocally false, we support it more than anyone else by orders of magnitude. And the gaslighting that our tax dollars aren’t being used for safety net programs for millions of people that are just hardworking here is also false. It’s also false to say they are all providing our food in agriculture. The vast majority are in urban areas. There has to be a limits. CA is overrun and out of control with accountability on any of this, and it’s tiring to continue to listen to people not acknowledge that a major problem was created and constantly focus on how the solutions aren’t kind enough, need more bureaucracy, more waving foreign flags and burning in the streets, more state or county funds to preserve the problem, etc…

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David Bergerson's avatar

I appreciate you acknowledging the numbers support the broader point about U.S. immigration levels. You're absolutely right that whether it's 47 million or 54 million, the U.S. accepts far more immigrants than any other country.

However, I think we're talking past each other on the core issue. No one serious is arguing that the U.S. doesn't support legal immigration—the numbers clearly show we do. The debate is about enforcement methods and whether current policies follow existing law and due process requirements.

When courts rule that specific enforcement actions violate legal procedures, that's not about being 'kind enough'—it's about following the law as written. You can support strong border enforcement while also requiring that enforcement follows established legal processes.

As for California and urban impacts, those are legitimate policy concerns that deserve discussion based on data rather than broad characterizations. Local communities dealing with resource strain have valid concerns that should be addressed through policy solutions rather than dismissed.

The question isn't whether limits should exist—most people agree they should. It's whether we can enforce those limits while maintaining legal standards and addressing legitimate community concerns about implementation and resources.

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elcx's avatar

No court ruling is final until all appeals have been exhausted, David Bergerson. Stop just making thing up here.

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David Bergerson's avatar

Stop making things up.

The right to appeal is a choice. If the cases are not appealed, the ruling is final. Trump's administration has chosen to not appeal a LOT of rulings against them. Why? Because they know that if it reaches the appellate court, their ruling sets a precedent.

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Polly Frost's avatar

David, the “criticism” is not about whether or not Trump's policies align with the Constitution or international norms. The “criticism” is not real criticism, it's phony baloney garbage spewed by the Democratic Party because they have nothing they stand for at this point but being anti-Trump and stopping Trump. If you want to talk about administration policies that don't align with the Constitution or international norms let's go through the “Biden” years. “Biden” committed treason by opening our borders the way “he” did. And the Democrats who were really doing the operations in Biden's name are obviously too scared of being tried for treason to come out and claim responsibility.

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elcx's avatar

DB talks through his hat , just to be a pretend obstructionist.

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Brian MacIsaac's avatar

They’re beginning to mimic the president’s policies because it is based in common sense. The people making all the noise are the ones getting all the money from the COTTAGE industry of illegal immigration and the Support of said immigrants. Wake up people and pay attention to what is really happening. Stop believing your local and national newscast that lied to you on a daily basis or at least present only one side of the argument.

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Bernard Gans's avatar

We are witnessing the result of avoiding law enforcement for 50 or so years.

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elcx's avatar
Jul 3Edited

More than avoiding the law, maliciously circumventing the law. Cui bono?

SEIU and the teachers unions, always are at the top of my own lists of primary open border beneficiaries. By far.

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THOMAS COLE JD's avatar

Good article. Re Catholic charities (CC). We did a documentary video on the border, speaking with border agents and locals at Jucamba springs and other sources. We found for instance that Catholic charities were receiving incredible amounts of money from various federal agencies. Like $600 million every three months from the last administration. Which seemed hard to believe but we saw and filmed the white CC vans that came to the border several times a day and picked up 60 aliens at a time. Taking them inland to various help centers that were also government funded NGOS’s. There were no questions asked by border agents who said they were instructed ‘ hands off’ any interference with migrants, we asked so what do they do out here in the desert? They sit and report on the next cartel truck, operators, talk on their radios, pass the time. Those days are over for now.

Those $600m figures to CC were later unearthed and confirmed by the DOGE investigations, and that was just CC. There was many billions spent to these many ‘help’ NGO’s that were in fact importing groups of people unvetted into the country. We thought there should be some kind of orderly process but they just ran across the open dessert at night, kids, women, black people, Chinese people, Mexican people, after the ‘cartel trucks’ , that’s what border agents called them, dropped them off in the dark of night. The charity vans arrived each morning after 10:00 am. Most immigrants had cell phones and knew the schedules.

So once again the government was funding non governmental organizations, to do underhandedly what government could not do in the open. That has changed for now, at least at the border. What we had was a huge, organized, systemic Tea Pot Dome scandal that engaged nearly the entire federal (and state) governments.

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McGrune's avatar

It’s not just the Catholics, but the Republicans who are in on it as well:

💯 Texas has spent more than $148 million busing migrants to other parts of the country

Since Gov. Greg Abbott announced the program in 2022, Texas has paid to bus more than 102,000 migrants to cities around the country.

BY SERGIO MARTÍNEZ-BELTRÁN, KUT NEWS

FEB. 21, 2024

10 AM CENTRAL

In April 2022, Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott announced his state was going to start transporting to other states migrants who had been released from federal custody. He said he was doing it to prevent the state from shouldering "the burdens imposed by open-border advocates in other parts of the country."

Nearly two years later, Texas has transported more than 102,000 migrants to New York, Chicago, Denver, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.

But the initiative has also come with a hefty price tag. Records obtained by The Texas Newsroom under the Texas Public Information Act show that as of Jan. 24, the state has spent more than $148 million to bus migrants to predominantly Democratic cities. The price tag grows every day.

"It certainly is a great deal of money to be spent," Ray Perryman, the president of the Waco-based economic research company The Perryman Group, said.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/02/21/texas-migrants-busing-cost-greg-abbott/

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THOMAS COLE JD's avatar

I think Abbot was shipping migrants that were already in the country. Shifting the social burdens to Democrat cities. At Jucamba (50 miles east of San Diego) we saw these groups of migrants sitting in the desert, on the border, under tarps set up by border patrol, awaiting pick up. It’s a question if cities want these people or not. They get more crime and social costs, but also can get more federal apportionment funding, more congress people and even more presidential electors, all based on non citizen populations. And that seems unfair to citizens.

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McGrune's avatar

Clearly they were already in the country- Abbott didn’t cross the border to Mexico to get them. Either way, he deliberately created a MARKET for the business of shipping these people to other states, which is unconstitutional and unconscionable. A country with over 800 military bases around the world, decades of occupying other countries, and we can’t secure our own borders… sounds like a military plot tbh. There are already (?) FEMA camps built with no stated purpose, a product of the militarization of our nation during the Bush years/Iraq/Afghanistan invasion…

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LT's avatar
Jul 2Edited

It should be obvious why various countries in the EU are now reversing course and deporting illegal immigrants. Loss of sovereignty and culture is happening widely throughout the EU, replaced with uneducated, unskilled migrants, many of which have no desire to assimilate or learn the native language.

Who stands to benefit from changing the fabric of our country? The Democrats want illegal migration to continue in order to achieve a super majority in perpetuity. Yes, replacing our predominantly Christian, white, middle class with impoverished, uneducated, non-white, often Muslim voters gives the Democrats the best chance for permanent political dominance.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mamdani-officially-secures-nomination-new-york-city-mayor-2025-07-01/

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Montecito93108's avatar

Republican are as guilty as Democrats LT. It’s time to stop the partisan blame game, and for all Americans to unite to enforce exiting immigration laws or actively work to change the laws you oppose . Amnesty, acceptance of law breakers, who entered and remain unlawfully is not the answer. Think of those patiently waiting decades to enter.

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Gene Urban's avatar

Thank you for being a voice of reason. Blaming either Party for the problem is exactly what the Parties want us to do. Division is their goal, not unity among Americans. Politicians have been using migrants as pawns in their election game for decades.

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McGrune's avatar

💯 Texas has spent more than $148 million busing migrants to other parts of the country

Since Gov. Greg Abbott announced the program in 2022, Texas has paid to bus more than 102,000 migrants to cities around the country.

BY SERGIO MARTÍNEZ-BELTRÁN, KUT NEWS

FEB. 21, 2024

10 AM CENTRAL

In April 2022, Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott announced his state was going to start transporting to other states migrants who had been released from federal custody. He said he was doing it to prevent the state from shouldering "the burdens imposed by open-border advocates in other parts of the country."

Nearly two years later, Texas has transported more than 102,000 migrants to New York, Chicago, Denver, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.

But the initiative has also come with a hefty price tag. Records obtained by The Texas Newsroom under the Texas Public Information Act show that as of Jan. 24, the state has spent more than $148 million to bus migrants to predominantly Democratic cities. The price tag grows every day.

"It certainly is a great deal of money to be spent," Ray Perryman, the president of the Waco-based economic research company The Perryman Group, said.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/02/21/texas-migrants-busing-cost-greg-abbott/

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DLDawson's avatar

Hmmm…the cost of bussing 102,000 new migrants from Texas to other parts of the USA at $148M = about $1,450 per migrant…sound like smart planning by Texas when considering the cost of crime & physical harm to Texas citizens. Why not spread the costs & pains across the nation?

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McGrune's avatar

Sounds like WEF’s Globalist Greg Abbott wants to destroy the United States. Maybe he should’ve bussed them all to Santa Barbara and let them live in your town.

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DLDawson's avatar

Or maybe they shouldn’t have been allowed to walk across the border & welcomed into Our Country in the first place. Close the border, send them home, problem solved.

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McGrune's avatar

That’s not what Texas and California are doing though. This is bipartisan and the fact Texas is undermining the entire country is something Republicans need to look at. We should look at what Anduril is doing on the border in San Diego as well… that’s a Fed issue (R) (2019)… Anduril began its partnership with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) in 2019 with a pilot program in the San Diego Sector. This initial testing involved five surveillance towers. The partnership formalized in 2020 with the Autonomous Surveillance Tower (AST) program becoming a "program of record". Since then, Anduril has worked with CBP to refine the technology and deploy over 200 ASTs along the border

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Polly Frost's avatar

McGrune, “let them live in your town” - so Santa Barbara isn't your town? What is your town? And why do you even care what we Santa Barbarans think?

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McGrune's avatar

Santa Barbara is my town and if you like Abbotts policy, which is basically human trafficking, then implore him to send them here and see how you like it

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

What "culture" is being lost exactly? Modern nation states have no culture to speak of worth protecting - it's no longer the Spanish Golden Age.

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Sawbilly's avatar

Good column. I’d love to share it with some of my shitlib friends. It might help them relax to learn that EUROPEAN countries are having to tend to out of control immigration-based problems too. It isn’t just the Taco man! But none of them are talking to me any longer.

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Steve's avatar

None of them are talking to you anymore?!!

You lucky s.o.b!!!

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Montecito93108's avatar

All roads lead to the Vatican. Thanks for writing on a controversial topic to increase awareness on Europe. Locally, there are many SBCounty residents, including SBCurrent readers, Catholics and Christians, who are against DHS enforcement of immigration law. Aiding the 8-10M undocumented illegal aliens in California “is the right thing to do because they are nice, good, working people”, they came for a better life. The 2M waiting in line to be annually allowed entry are of no consequence. They are simply out of sight, so don’t matter. Western Civilization, our Judeo-Christian based culture, is in trouble. With every passing week more Christian- Catholic hypocrites surface locally.

At the same time to immigrate, the Vatican requires assimilation to Catholic Doctrine. An American Pope is elected to keep American dollars rolling in to fuel its indoctrinated hypocrisy as the Vatican pushes open borders and acceptance on US. The Vatican flock has many American sheep.

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elcx's avatar

High birth rate counties and population groups are predictable tinder boxes. You could predict the volumes of migrants now coming out of the Middle East and Latin America, when 25 years ago you knew both areas were running 5-6 birth rates, with no internal economic infrastructure to absorb their own internal high birth rates.

Including the numbers of German “economic miracle” guest workers with an equally high birth rate a decade or so earlier coming primarily from muslin Turkey. The Treaty of Westphalia, creating the modern nation state several centuries ago needs a new look.

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McGrune's avatar

The Vatican is also in on the UN SDG goals (in fact, Catholic means UNIVERSAL): The Holy See, represented by the Vatican, actively participates in and supports the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). Pope Francis and other Vatican officials have repeatedly emphasized the importance of the SDGs, viewing them as a crucial framework for global development and a call for collective action to address poverty, inequality, and environmental challenges. The Vatican sees the SDGs as aligned with its own principles of integral human development, respect for human dignity, and stewardship of the planet.

Key aspects of the Vatican's engagement with the SDGs:

Alignment with core values:

The Vatican sees the SDGs as largely compatible with its own social and ethical teachings, particularly regarding poverty eradication, social justice, and environmental stewardship…

… One World Religion???

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LT's avatar

So, the Vatican is behind changes to Italian society? Nonsense, more anti-Catholic tropes.

https://thecatholicherald.com/radical-islams-increasing-foothold-in-italian-cities-highlighted-by-undercover-documentary/

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elcx's avatar
Jul 2Edited

Official encouragement of high birth rates, by culture or church is really the defining issue. High birth rates are as ruinous, as we are now finding low birth rates are as well. Yet only a few generations ago, America too was a high birth rate country. Demographics is destiny. That is what is playing out right now.

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Denice Spangler Adams's avatar

The job report indicates the impact of government policies and practices from Ai to acceptance of high numbers of undocumented residents. Citizen’s must be given priority to jobs. It’s a multi- pronged issue impacted by high birth rates pushed by certain religions to immigration practices which vary by American state.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

"They are simply out of sight, so don’t matter. Western Civilization, our Judeo-Christian based culture, is in trouble. With every passing week more Christian- Catholic hypocrites surface locally."

What is Judeo-Christian culture? Jews and Christians have very little in common, indeed Jews (Talmudic ones, not Second Temple Jews who no longer exist) explicitly sought to distance themselves from Christians in the late. 1st Century.

How is this society "in trouble"? You do realize most people coming from Latin America are at least culturally Catholic, right? Unlike many *Americans* they're often not heretics. Anglo Protestants have historically hated Catholic immigrants out of suspicion they were "against American values" (which is hardly a bad thing given the enlightenment values America was founded upon), does this still persist today?

As for me, America's interests are hardly a concern of mine. Whether or not immigrants are here illegally or not is irrelevant, I am aloof toward these issues, so I don't think it's hypocrisy.

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L. Angel's avatar

Interestingly, I never even hear the phrase "Judeo-Christian culture" until I come to this propaganda machine page.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

"Most Orthodox rabbis do not engage in such dialogue. The predominant position of Orthodoxy on this issue is based on the position of Rabbi Joseph Soloveitchik; he held that Judaism and Christianity are "two faith communities (which are) intrinsically antithetic". In his view "the language of faith of a particular community is totally incomprehensible to the man of a different faith community. Hence the confrontation should occur not at a theological, but at a mundane human level [...] the great encounter between man and God is a holy, personal and private affair, incomprehensible to the outsider". As such, he ruled that theological dialogue between Judaism and Christianity was not possible."

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CarsAreBasic's avatar

You know what is amazing is to listen to the rhetoric. Let's put the arguments "Safe Routes to Schools" or "Roundabouts are Safe"......

The issue of the previous administration and allowing thousands of illegals while being incompetent is sooooo similar.

SBCAG authorizes SRS's while the MOVE liars state they make kids safer and they have numbers proving more kids riding bikes to elementary and middle schools (the previous bike coalition stated that had failed)... Don't like it ask France who works for city of Santa Barbara and made that comment. Look at the fact there has been no increase since his statement.

Roundabouts are safer? Are they Pedestrian, pedal bike, or ADH friendly? Nope. Do cars travel faster down street over "controlled" intersections?

It is the same chaotic thought pattern, because it sounds great!!! It is the same politically correct Bleeeeet that costs the taxpayers massive amounts of money, breaks down over time and cannot be fixed without more money then it cost to put them in.

Millions flooded the nation. Hundreds of Millions was siphoned off FEMA for illegals to live in hotels, leaving people at risk that are citizens and here legally.

Just more of failure excused by we "have a dream" that excuses failure and "It will work."

Failure is as Failure Does.

Trust is violated by one party in 4 years and the excuse is????????

Cowards using Political speak.

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elcx's avatar

A visit to Norway several years ago, we learned they were just beginning to explore expanded legal immigration. But their clearly stated goal at that time was to NOT be like Sweden.

Last year’s visit to Japan, which is clearly experiencing a declining domestic birth rate, but again their primary negative example they wanted to learn from was to NOT be like the US. No one anywhere else in the world is claiming “diversity is our strength”. It would be good to track that distorted sound bite back to its source. One more DNC mocking bird voter recruitment buzz word?

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Pat Fish's avatar

In Ireland the law has always been that BOTH parents of a baby born there must have been in the country LEGALLY for a full year for the child to have birthright citizenship. No anchor babies produced in birthing hotels like we have here, creating a "family" link for immigration. Unfortunately their current Government is giving social assistance priority to migrants, as ours is here. I do so wish I got free medical care as they do, and all the rest of the perks and accommodations available to the downtrodden underclass. I'll happily pay more for vegetables to remove the cartel influence from our region, and send back those indentured slaves and potential sleeper cell infiltrators.

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Emmett's avatar

Radical Muslims, which seems to be all we hear about, goal to dominate Western and Christian culture,

1. to out populate us by having more children, hence no covid jabs for Muslim countries, only Christian & Jewish countries

2. Immigration to spread their shear numbers throughout the world

3. to use our values and rights against us. “For example, by instrumentalizing migrants at our borders.”

Our country, CA especially , has purposefully normalized the “Mexican” culture not integrating into the Melting Pot of America.

Notice how the public schools keep pushing dual language, notice how the Hispanic students can’t read and write at grade level?

CA dept of education pays lots of money for more Spanish speaking kids, ESL.

Exito Santa Barbara in 1969 stated their purpose to not integrate into our society.

The required ethnic studies program falsely teaches that this land belongs mexico and that white people are intruders. When the facts are Mexican workers came here after European Americans created jobs.

Our own state and local governments are perpetuating, trying to destroy our state and country.

They support, with money and words, violent riots and protests under foreign flags. Insurrection movements, violence against the US and local governments.

They use our laws to of first amendment rights to justify this violence.

Now we see Muslim communities popping up in other states.

Divided we fall.

United we stand. But we are not united. Democrats have purposefully divided us.

The cattle, the Democrat voter is blindly following and are contributing to the demise of this country.

It is your duty to stand up and have those difficult conversations, ask questions of these ignorant people.

Create dialogue.

Stop hiding while the enemy storms through this town, this state, this country.

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STEPHEN HANSEN's avatar

Well, you nailed that one Emmet.

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TheotokosAppreciator's avatar

"Radical Muslims, which seems to be all we hear about, goal to dominate Western and Christian culture,

1. to out populate us by having more children, hence no covid jabs for Muslim countries, only Christian & Jewish countries

2. Immigration to spread their shear numbers throughout the world

3. to use our values and rights against us. “For example, by instrumentalizing migrants at our borders.”

Our country, CA especially , has purposefully normalized the “Mexican” culture not integrating into the Melting Pot of America." - Mexicans are literally Catholics, or at least culturally Catholic - yet you speak about Muslims? Who have a negligible presence in Mexico? There also exists no "Christian culture" anymore. America is a secular nation as are most others, "Christendom" in the temporal sense, is dead. Besides the Gen Z Muslim man or woman is hardly any different than their secular, western counter parts.

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Emmett's avatar

Thats a broad assumprion you make, “ Mexicans are literally Catholics,”

And

“ There also exists no "Christian culture" anymore.”

Most people who say they are Christian or Catholic do not adhere to Gods commandments or Jesus’s teachings.

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Gene Urban's avatar

I am all for deporting non-citizens who pose a threat to our communities and people. I do favor finding pathways forward for the many who work hard and add to the diversity of our culture and quality of life. Finally, it would be great if we held to our values of fairness, and kindness versus the hate, and glee that fuels too much of this conversation. We are Americans, we are better than that.

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Robert "Bob" Smith's avatar

Gene, here’s a few problems with that:

- sanctuary law is literally protecting violent criminals. Our sheriffs are completely frustrated that they are handcuffed in not being able to do anything with really bad people.

- as soon as you say “only those that pose a threat,” this is also a rub. Where does it end? Should we send planes over to grab all of Somalia since it’s unfair they can’t walk here? What is the cap on the “kindness?” 6 billion people would rather be here. I’m getting nailed on taxes and cost of living here as middle class, meanwhile my neighbor has a few dozen people in a house with many kids/babies. There are adults on disability, getting calfresh because of all the kids, and Medi-Cal, plus before and after school care with meals. Is one house on my street enough? Should we have two or three? Should I pay another few % in taxes for it?

These two bullets points above are objective problems to me. And classifying me wanting them fixed as hate or glee is disingenuous.

I agree that things could be done better, and that we have to figure out common sense exceptions. But CA being positioned against the federal government in the complete opposite direction is causing much of the chaos.

We have 40 million legal immigrants here. 3 times the next country in the world. That’s 1/8 of the U.S. population and 16% of the total world immigrant population. What number would you prefer to add diversity to our culture? 1/7? 1/2? We are already carrying over 1/5 of the world’s immigrants when undocumented added, when is it enough to stay kind? My opinion is we are already the kindest nation on Earth in this regard…but I realize you have a different opinion, so I’m honestly trying to understand it.

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elcx's avatar

Once a subjective exception is allowed, the entire system has become corrupted. Bright lines must be drawn. No free passes by default. I cannot even imagine what kind of hearing process would be required to plead 20 million “good conduct” cases. It would be 20 million Queen fo a Day cases on steroids. Who even do you want judging those cases?

Back to basics. They knew what the rules were when they broke them. They knew what the rules were to make things right. And they actively chose not to remedy either of them. That is not conduct to rewards and give a free pass, over those who did honor our laws from day one.

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TVW's avatar

Gene....Do you distinguish between legal and illegal "non-citizens" ? I believe we have a boat load of diversity...much of it non-assimilated. We need more homogeneity and assimilation. Also...I'm a little curious about oft quoted tropes like "work hard or hard working"...what is underlying message?

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elcx's avatar

What about their first generation kids who get recruited by the gangs, are high rate school truants, and leave 13 years of free tax payer funded K-12 barely literate and riddle our communities with crime, vandalism and massive grafitti?

And are now requiring our own legal resident students take their own K-12 instruction in Spanishonly, starting in kindergarten? Have people been deaf to the downstream generational fall out of open borders? How many jobs are no longer open to our own legal residents, because the application says up front bi-lingual preferred?

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elcx's avatar

All those here illegally need to do, is find someone patiently waiting in line to immigrate here legally, and ask them to trade places. No free passes by default. It is not our job to accommodate those who chose to arrive here illegally. It is their job to get in line and do it right.

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L. Angel's avatar

Of course violent criminals should be deported. However, this article completely omitted the part where Trump has been deporting people who are not criminals and who are here LEGALLY. He is deporting over opinion and speech. This freedom based page should be outraged.

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TVW's avatar

Absurd. TDS on display. When/if mistakes occur...they get rectified in short order...your underlying premise is guided by emotion...not facts.

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L. Angel's avatar

You are denying that he is deporting people based upon speech and opinions? You're lying then.

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elcx's avatar

Prove it.

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L. Angel's avatar

Prove it? You are seriously THAT out of touch with current events? Google it!

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TVW's avatar

yes...prove it...meaning please document your assertion if you wish to have readers put some credibility into your statement. I think it's a fair request. And to be clear, proving or documenting, doesn't mean re-quoting another person or news outlet...put some meat on that bone... if in fact, you are accurate then people should be aware of that and I agree that would be a major cause for concern.

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L. Angel's avatar

Stop advertising on here for "Living proof tent crusade." It's lead by a scumbag who wants Palestinians slaughtered. Terrible look that you guys advertise for this.

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