Democrats are now focusing on "Trump is Mean". One sees this now playing out at many levels, primarily from the utterings of both Kamala Harris and Michelle Obama.
From the Santa Barbara Street religious non-profit Unitarian Society's Wayside Pulpit announcing to passing cars: "Choose those who lift you up. Michelle Obama" to Kamala Harris reported today in the WSJ: "What kind of country do we want to live in? Do we want to live in a country of freedom, compassion, and rule of law, or in a country of chaos, fear and hate?"
Democrats sum and substance remains OrangemanBad and you are a bad person if you support him. They have not moved iota beyond that same 2020 message. Witness Democrats yet again claiming they are the aspirational party of decency, but in fact they did give us Joe Biden and his curiously mean-spirited Return to Decency.
Welcome to another dissonant Election Year, 2024, just like Democrats exploited fear, uncertainty and death threats during their Covid Election Year 2020. But that is mean of me to even mention this, making their case for them. Onwards and upwards folks, we have a lot of good to look forward to Making America Great Again. And not a moment too soon. Offense remains the best defense.
We (heart) conservatism because it is best for all of America. Loving what makes America great is our best gift: limited government; rule of law; protection of private property; free and competitive markets.
This is what I found from there website, it's so far removed from Christian beliefs it's actually disgusting
Although our historical roots are in the Christian and Jewish traditions, we have become a faith that welcomes insights from many sources, including world religions and philosophies as well as the arts and sciences.
Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion — that is, a religion that keeps an open mind to the religious questions people have struggled with in all times and places.
We believe that personal experience, (the errors of modernism and relativism are glowing here) conscience, and reason should be the final authorities in religion, and that in the end, religious authority is not found in a book or person, but within ourselves.
After the four years of Obama-driven, deep state sabotage thrown at POTUS Donald Trump, even before Trump was elected in 2016, it is Trump who deserves finally getting a real first term. He has more than earned it, and captured the will of America's long-suffering and silenced majority. America cannot survive a fourth term of Barack Obama.
Thank you, Brian. I get why the elites applaud the destruction of America - because it pays very nicely for their own perfect bubble of luxury. I get why so much of the media has been happy to lie to their readers and viewers. They don't make anywhere near the elite kind of money off it, but they can still sort of keep their Hamptons-on-the-weekend lifestyle. They're getting paid. But these Democrat friends that you and TheotokosAppreciator talk about - the ones who still believe despite eight years of being abusively lied to by their political party? Who still foam at the mouth with rage at Trump and anyone who doesn't go along with every single Democratic lie - and who have nothing to gain from it? What is wrong with them? For eight years I've said that if my longtime friends, the ones who called me a fascist and refused to talk to me simply because I don't hate Trump, if they were to call me up and apologize I'd be happy to forgive and forget. They wouldn't even have to explain why they went crazy like that. But not now. I will never forgive these people for ruining normal civil life. Life is full of enough tragedy. They have made every day more miserable than it ever needed to be.
My parents wanted the shot to kill him... the actual demonic rhetoric coming from the left that makes people belive he's an evil dictator. Just wait, the secular left is no doubt using this to support their gun control agenda if they aren't cheering at this attempt.
Weren't there a bunch of tik tok shorts where peolle talked about the Supreme Court giving people the right to kill him? Crazy.
Meanwhile, the Deep State elites are conspiring in Sun Valley, Idaho, this weekend to develop the AI blast attack on Trump to keep him from power... Zuckerberg, Bob Iger from Disney, Spielberg, Katzenberg...all the big info war muckity muck Clowns…Sam Altman (Sammy Altman) with OpenAI will be the star of the show...
this is where the whole story is gonna be written/rewritten for Joe Biden using AI, as well as the retelling the story of Donald Trump over the last 8 years...doesn't have to be huge changes to the stories...AI to go over the stories that were written and rescale it down a little bit, a little bit more derogatory, upscale stories to make it a little bit more complimentary, change opinions slightly, change judicial opinions slightly, or add judicial opinions, append judicial opinions, automatically write opinion pieces through false accounts +++, and Blast, Blast, Blast…
“Although the discussions within the conference have always been kept extremely private, participants were seen with pamphlets titled “Digital Infrastructure.”
let’s see if they change tactics & tone down the Trump rhetoric (Trump is Hitler, Russia Agent, Rapist, etc)…
"I bluntly said, “You’re going to vote for person who has a mental illness, who can’t find his way off a stage over a sharp, successful businessman?”
“Why?”
His response was simply, “I hate Trump.”
In a democracy we are at the whims of these type of people, as our society becomes increasingly more secular and rejects traditional values it will only get worse. This is the tyranny of the majority people love to overlook in their support for democracy. Such is life where rather than caring for absolute truths, people care only for how something makes them feel or if it isn't inconvenient without regard for any moral implications or consequences.
They would have to remove Anchor Baby because she’s not actually eligible for office, that is true. But then they would have to remove Kenya Barry because he’s not eligible either.
Mareth posting stuff like this just distracts from real conversations posters have here. The SB Current has lots of potential as a real discussion board but crap like Kenya Berry just needs to stay in your head rattling around.
The First Amendment is still the Law Thomas John, despite the best efforts of people like you. I suggest addressing your internal dissonance with facts and respecting the rights of your fellow citizens to speak freely.
You can post whatever you'd like. Thanks for the the First Amendment comment - but I'd suggest you do some homework and brush up on just what is and isn't covered by the First Amendment. (I guess they don't teach this in school anymore). The First Amendment does not directly apply to Substack, as it is a private company rather than a government entity. The First Amendment specifically protects against government censorship of speech, not actions taken by private organizations or platforms. We are all fortunate that although Substack is not legally bound by the First Amendment, it has voluntarily adopted policies that reflect many of its core values, creating a platform that aims to foster open discourse and diverse perspectives. The downside is folks posting unchecked about "Kenya Berry".
"Black is beautiful" apparently would be considered racist today. I'm wondering when "African-American" will be deemed politically incorrect by the Thought Police. The goalposts of political correctness keep getting moved.
Snopes in 2012 was forced to review and correct a 1991 marketing blurb, where this birthplace origin was stated as fact:
...."In May 2012 the web site Breitbart published a copy of a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by the literary agency Acton & Dystel showcasing their roster of writers, among whom was a young man named Barack Obama. This booklet was of particular interest because it included a brief biographical sketch which described the future President as having been born in Kenya:
Blurb: "Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation.
He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago's South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White....."
I remember reading the constititution when I was 12 years old (1973) and remember the part where it said that if even ONE parent is American, (at the time of the child's birth) the child is eligible (assuming the other terms are met) to run for president.
When the "Birthers" started up with the theory that Obama wasn't able to run for president because his father wasn't American and Obama was (allegedly) born outside the U.S. I had to re-check to make sure that what I'd read 35 years earlier had been correctly remembered by me.
Since nobody has even suggested his mother wasn't American, it appears that by birthright, Obama was eligible to run.
Free speech isn't a traditional or religious concept. It was born of the enlightenment and classical liberal thought, free speech protects Blasphemy, vulgar, and uncharitable language, it should not exist. We ought to say only the good things men need to hear; Ephesians 4:29: “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.”
Don't accuse me of being a liberal for having this view, because I am Carlist, the furthest I could possibly be from a liberal.
Most people are extremely easy to brainwash. Some of us aren't, and no one is sure why that is. Repeating things over and over, and using fear is usually all it takes. The boob tube is a very good tool; they don't call it 'programming' for nothing. My 93 yr old mom believes that everything on the internet is hooey, and that the TV is the only true thing...although recently, she's started to call it all bullshit and frequently turns it off, or just watches sports. When I show up, if the news is on, usually within a minute or two they spew some sort of lie. "Mom, they just lied. That's a lie." She has TDS, and I blame it on the TV. It is her ONLY source of information, besides here weekly magazine "The Week", which she is always trying to pawn off on me. I tell her I can't read that shit which is mostly democratic propaganda.
Recently read the Santa Maria Times on a short visit, and Biden is wonderful. Biden policies are wonderful. Trump is unspeakable. Biden will save us from Trump. However, they still do allow Andy Caldwell to write a column for their local consumption. One comes away from reading that local daily wondering why there is even any controversy about Biden right now.
It is good to expose oneself to the variety primary sources to understand what is America today. But also scratching one's head: where is the truth about any of these candidates when media input can be so diametrically opposed? What is the national Zeitgeist in 2024, and who best captures it this year.
Yes, the fix is in and the Dems are in full panic/bat shit crazy mode. The recent interview with George Stephanopoulos was yet another example of his journalistic malfeasance. Clearly, he knows of Mr. Biden’s mental status and has known for years and said nothing. He and the rest of the left wing media perpetrated this fraud on the American people.
Stephanopoulos had done this before. During the Clinton administration, he purportedly went after women accusing the former president of sexual misconduct. So much for “me too!”
Moreover, Stephanopoulos is a fraud and liar and owes ABC News, their shareholders and employees an explanation. After which he should be fired.
We need to come to a reckoning in this country after Trump takes back the White House. There needs to be accountability with those involved in propping up a mentally impaired, elderly patient for the last 4 years.
The reality is the Deep State DOES exist and the Dems just proved it. They thought they could get away with it, by installing Biden and then running our country by committee.
It’s no longer my Father’s Democratic Party. They have morphed into a cabal of corruption, incompetence and treachery.
The Press is ONLY turning on Biden because they got caught.
It’s been a Uniparty for decades. Career Politicians are for sale. Very few are moral, very few are religious believing they are servants of the people.
Methinks Barry Obama doesn’t have the balls to officially enter the race, but perhaps Michelle does…
"Insurgency is the organized use of subversion and violence to seize, nullify or challenge political control of a region."
Never has a president left office to collude with others to impede the next sitting president of the United States of America until Obama! Why did [Hussein, Barry] choose 'RENEGADE' as USSS codename? Define 'Renegade'. [Hussein, Barry] parents both fluent in Russian? Is Russian a common language to learn? Public 'career' history mom-dad? Public 'career' history require Russian language as prerequisite? Farm work takes special skills.
How was President Trump able to essentially destroy ISIS within the 1st year of his Presidency but HUSSEIN could not throughout entire term? What is Hussein's background? MUSLIM by faith? What is Valerie Jarrett’s background? MUSLIM by faith? What was John Brennan’s background? MUSLIM by faith?
"Insurgency is the organized use of subversion and violence to seize, nullify or challenge political control of a region." The presidency of Barack Hussein OBAMA began at noon EST on January 20, 2009, when Barack OBAMA was inaugurated as the 44th President of the United States. What Country was the true intended target?
I have to wonder every now and then if the diagnosis of Biden's medical condition is accurate. For 50 years he has been a corrupt politician and has topped it off with so many treasonous acts as president that he could face a military tribunal . It seems to me that there were/are grounds for him to be ousted from his post but the uni-party have done nothing and Robert Hur concluded that he was simply an old man with memory issues. Meanwhile the behind the scenes folks are getting their agenda attended to and the world sees Biden as just a poor old man. What a great "get out of jail card" Biden has.
It’s a long term plan where the Uniparty has dominated for decades. When you look back at elections you might think there’s been back & forth between R & Ds. Not so, the elections are appointments. The Uniparty appoints a D or an R to keep the people happy and to make it appear elections were not rigged.
In our own town elected officials have switched parties for appearances, rented houses in districts they never lived so they could run for that office, had their nephews appointed to city government, outspent outsiders by over $100,000, ballot counts not matching up, etc..,
The corruption and manipulation of the people goes from our own back yard all the way up to the top.
Only disrupters have shown some light, Raegan being one. And they tried to kill him.
Trump is another, they filed impeachment on him the day after he was sworn in.
The organized crime syndicate does not want the people to know they are being manipulated.
Biden being appointed as the Dem nominee for presidency is an obvious, in your face, example given his mental illness.
The problem is the people will forget, they are complacent. Just as the Jews were complacent in Egypt. They had to be shaken up to realize they were slaves. Even later they still wanted to go back to the abusive relationship they had because facing the unknown was scary to them. They wanted to go back to Egypt similar to the battered spouse who never leaves the abusive relationship.
You’re right. The Democrats denied the election immediately. Hilary Clinton called Trump an illegitimate president. Boy she must be enjoying prison as an election denier. Nope, shes free to keep spreading lies and disinformation. They should have been prosecuted per Democrat law. .
Two Democratic congressmen filed the first article of impeachment against Trump back in July 2017 months after Trump was inaugurated. Reps. Brad Sherman of California and Al Green of Texas filed an article charging Trump obstructed justice after Trump fired James Comey. Apparently they didn’t like the bought & paid for FBI director being fired.
When Democrats won a majority in the House after the 2018 elections, impeachment talk grew louder and more, well, colorful. Sherman and Green reintroduced their article of impeachment on Jan. 3, and that same day, freshman Democrat Rashida Tlaib, at a MoveOn reception on Capitol Hill, proclaimed Democrats would "impeach the motherf*****."
What nice language from our “Higher Road” Democrat leaders, not. Dirty low life’s all of them just as they use foul language against Trump. Kettle/black.
Blessings to President Trump and innocent bystanders who were critically wounded. Who/Whomever is responsible for this vicious crime, may they bear the full weight of the US Justice Department.
For those that have openly expressed their hatred for our former President, take a bow!
Geriatric Joe, Traitor Obama and Coo-Coo Kamala - idiot crooks and liars. They don’t care about anything but more time in power. Add that most ‘sheeple’ are stupid and buy the MSM pablum and you have the perfect storm. Joe’s a dope & Kamala is a knucklehead, but one I absolutely can’t stand is that stinking hustler / traitor Obama.
Let’s hope the Commie-Dems are stupid enough to run Kamala as their candidate - Trump will beat her like a cheap drum.
Dementia and mental illness? trump a successful businessman? Anchor baby? You should learn more about what you are talking about. trump is not fit to be a dog catcher let alone the president. I did like your dog photo.
Dog catcher? Can’t let your stupid comment go unchallenged. Seriously, as an adult, you can’t see what’s going on with the Democratic Party’s clown show? Let’s see, their playbook is to prop up an impaired 80 year old so the radicals have their way?
This, in order to promote racial hatred, spending us into bankruptcy, endless wars and opening the floodgates at the border? That’s your measure of success? That clearly won’t fly. Why? Because there is still enough good, decent patriots with Christian morals standing in the way. So get over it!
You didn’t get the memo? It’s ok to publicly acknowledge Joes mental illness. Clooney just came out saying Biden is not fit, and he just raised $30,000,000 for Joe/Kamala.
Do you think Joe is of mentally sound mind? If so you are one of the last standing people refusing to see what has been obvious the past couple years. Or are you being paid?
I promised myself I would stop reading articles in the Santa Barbara Current because they appear to be promoting a far right political agenda that is low on factual information and heavy on far out ideas and opinions. I do believe it is important to hear different points of view for sure. However, it would be helpful to have thoughtful discussions rather than constantly be exposed to wild unsubstantiated claims.
You caught me with your story as I have a dog and can relate to the intro in your story. Your purpose, however was to present your real thoughts on politics as you see them. My fault for sure. I had pretty much determined that the Santa Barbara Current is not a serious publication. Ok, my bad.
But I cannot just leave without making a comment on the term anchor baby and how that is being used against Kamala. Brings back the Trump claim that Obama was not a Citizen. Remember that?
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for holding the office of president or vice president. This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence.[1]
The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen" and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its exact meaning. The consensus of early 21st-century constitutional and legal scholars, together with relevant case law, is that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States. As to those born elsewhere who meet the legal requirements for birthright citizenship, the consensus emerging as of 2016 was that they also are natural-born citizens.[2][3][4]
The first nine presidents and the 12th president, Zachary Taylor, were all citizens at the adoption of the constitution in 1789, with all being born within the territory held by the United States and recognized in the Treaty of Paris. All presidents who have served since were born in the United States. Of the 45[a] individuals who became president, there have been eight that had at least one parent who was not born on U.S. soil.[5][6][7]
The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court, and by some lower courts that have addressed eligibility challenges, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate's eligibility as a natural-born citizen. Many eligibility lawsuits from the 2008, 2012, and 2016 election cycles were dismissed in lower courts due to the challengers' difficulty in showing that they had standing to raise legal objections. Additionally, some experts have suggested that the precise meaning of the natural-born-citizen clause may never be decided by the courts because, in the end, presidential eligibility may be determined to be a non-justiciable political question that can be decided only by Congress rather than by the judicial branch of government.[8][9]
What is "far right" to you Manny, because most people on the right here are contemporary conservatives, their beliefs are rooted in the enlightenment and classical liberalism, and the values they promote are hardly far right at all. Stop characterizing groups or ideologies as "far right" if you don't know what that even refers to. It's like when secular liberals call American Christians "evangelicals" or "fundamentalists" even though they both have distinct meaning, the former referring to a particular protestant group and the latter referring to those who interpret scripture literally (but are also protestant and could be involved in various other faith groups).
You make a fair point, that was a cheap shot on my part to label everyone on this publication as far right. My apologies. I don’t know how to characterize what appears to me as a common shallow belief system. I just don’t know how to characterize a comment like J. Livingston who stated “Manny, Trump never claimed Obama was not a natural born citizen. Trump thought the continued controversy was a waste of time and facilitated ending it once and for all.” How do I characterize a fabrication of the facts. Anyway, as I noted I hope all of you support each other and have a great life. My fault for taking the bait.
The last few years open debate has been shut down.
We aim to open up the conversation so we can hear out all sides.
My point in writing this was it is a publicly known issue that Joe has a mental illness. Despite this illness the Democratic Party still promotes Joes as the best luck to run a country. I question this. I also question the people who have been ignorant to Joes mental decline.
Please, keep challenging us and your neighbors, it is what this country was built upon, keeping us honest.
you are welcome here, Manny, and I appreciate our need to join forces and not always be against each other. If Kamala were born on U.S. soil, I would consider her a natural born citizen. Obama? not so much. I think if we all start having conversations, we will find we have much more in common than we assume.
I'm a Catholic Monarchist, a Carlist, and what I would consider to be far right in America (because the term far right is relativistic and will change based off of whatever is considered mainstream), would refer to groups/ideologies rooted in natives, and nationalists beliefs. They prioritize a homogenous population as opposed to focusing on a moral society, and often label "others" as enemies, that will destabilize a country. They might use Christian rhetoric or symbols, but ultimately not promote authentic Christian values; for examlle they might try to paint themselves as Christians because of their ancestors (assuming they don't mbrace paganism) but sometimes support abortion for non white populations because for them, the ends justify the means. These people (mostly young men) might call themselves "race realists" emphasizing a distinction between different racial groups and cite how 'diversity' is a weakness, but beyond that they often posses anti-Christian sentiments fostered around hatred of different racial groups n contrast to the Catholic Church which preaches about a universal brotherhood to which all men belong; they might embrace eugenics, scientific racism, social darwinism, and other anti Christian values opposed to charity and brotherly love.
As for J. Livingstons response, I don't know anything about it, but that is a rather mainstream sentiment I've seen expressed online. I don't need such rhetoric to justify my opposition to Obama, he doesn't alight with my Catholic faith nor does he promote Christian values in his policies, that's all I need without resorting to extravagant claims (be they true or false).
I appreciate your a firm of Catholic. Catholics are a denomination of. Christianity, followers of Jesus. But you are not Christian, you follow another firm that was not from the direct teachings of Jesus.
With that said the Old Testament, tora, Quora , has many areas of conflict with Christianity.
As Mormon, Orthodox, etc, Catholism is not Christianity.
Reality is Jesus did not want his oriole to conform to man’s word or man’s teachings. Jesus wanted us to love on all brothers and believe and out all faith into God.
No the Catholic Church is the original and True Church. The Church has maintained apostolic succession like the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, and Assyrian Church of the East. We have valid sacraments, the Catholic Magisterium has preserved and protected scripture from protestant abuses, where each is free to interpret as he wishes (relativism), the Church has consistently fought against heresies and it's odd that you reject the Catholic Church and it's ecclesiology, yet you embrace the Chrstology the Church has uncovered throughout history. You take the fact that God is a Triune God, that Christ has two natures (A human and divine nature), that he is Consubstantial with the Father, etc for granted. Catholic teachings are those of Christ, it was not the protestants who defined orthodoxy, nor protestants who defended the Early Church against heresies, nor was it people without authority who maintained the True Faith (it was they who corrupted and perverted it) and led people astray, by deviating from what the Apostles taught them.
Christ established a Church, he appointed shepherds to guide his flocks, St. Paul explicitly says to a Christian community in the New Testament to listen to and follows the Gospel he as an apostle (an authority) has taught them, rejecting what others say. It is not just "the word of man", Christ explicity gave Peter the authority to bind and loose, to accept and deny particular teachings.
Agree to disagree. Christianity is derived directly from Christ who died on the cross. Catholics, Mormons, masons, Muslim all came later and differ from Christ’s teachings and appointments.
That is the point 8 make about churches. They are man’s version of what man thinks is right. Which again opens us up to debate without judgement as Jesus taught us, it is not our place to judge.
Old Testament contradicts New Testament. For example Sabath, Old Testament says stone a man for gathering sticks. Jesus taught us it is ok to heal and help the lost on Sabath. God told us th Sabath was holy to us, for us.
So who is correct? If you resound to this post on the Sabath should we stone you?
Well Wikipedia's contributors are sinful, and flawd persons like all of us. They have their own agendas and beliefs, it's not necessarily surprising if that's true as they might value political victories over objective truth.
Manny, Trump never claimed Obama was not a natural born citizen. Trump thought the continued controversy over his birth certificate was a waste of time and facilitated ending it once and for all. And he did. Stop the lies about Trump.
Really, you are saying that Trump never claimed that Obama was not a natural born citizen. Perhaps your memory is faulty. Please consider the following:
POLITICS
What Donald Trump has said through the years about where President Obama was born
By Chris Megerian
Sept. 16, 2016 1:20 PM PT
Donald Trump stood before television cameras on Friday and acknowledged a well-known fact that he had spent years denying — “President Barack Obama was born in the United States.”
It will be up to voters to determine whether that one sentence can erase years of Trump’s lying about whether Obama was born an American citizen, a long history of the Republican nominee attempting to undermine the legitimacy of the country’s first black president.
Here’s a look at Trump’s history of spreading falsehoods about Obama’s origins.
2008: Obama first faces questions about his birthplace
With rumors percolating about whether Obama was born in the U.S. and thus eligible to serve as president — a movement that would be dubbed birtherism — his campaign released a certification of live birth to prove he was born in Hawaii in 1961.
Spring 2011: Trump joins the movement
Three years later, Trump began pushing the issue in television interviews as he was considering whether to run for president in 2012.
“I have some real doubts,” Trump told the “Today” show. He claimed to have sent his own investigators to Hawaii, where Obama was born. "I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding."
Trump raised another falsehood in an interview with "Good Morning America," suggesting Obama was trying to conceal his religion by withholding his birth certificate. “Maybe it says he's a Muslim,” he said. Obama is Christian.
April 2011: Obama releases his long-form birth certificate
After weeks of Trump stirring the pot, the president called a White House news conference to release his long-form birth certificate. Obama called the issue a distraction pushed by “carnival barkers,” an implicit dig at Trump.
In response, Trump bragged about forcing Obama to release the document. He said he was "very proud” of himself and the birth certificate would have to be examined to ensure it was authentic.
2012: Trump presses birther issue during election
Trump’s campaign claimed in a statement on Thursday evening that he “brought closure” to the issue in 2011 when Obama released his birth certificate. But it’s clear that Trump didn’t consider the matter to be settled while Obama was running for reelection.
Trump even encouraged Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential nominee, to press the issue during a debate. In his tweet, Trump cites a promotional booklet for Obama’s autobiography that inaccurately says he was born outside the U.S.
Trump continued to spread conspiracy theories about the birth certificate the year after Obama was reelected, suggesting the death of a Hawaiian official was somehow related to a cover-up of the president’s true origins.
In an interview with ABC News, Trump said the issue “made me very popular.” Pressed to acknowledge that Obama was born in the United States, he said, “I’m saying I don’t know. Nobody knows.”
2015: Trump launches presidential campaign
Trump announced in June 2015 that he would run for president as a Republican. A month later, he renewed his doubts about Obama’s birthplace. "I don't know. I really don't know," he said during a CNN interview.
Donald Trump poses with his family after announcing his candidacy for president in New York in June 2015. (Christopher Gregory / Getty Images)
Donald Trump poses with his family after announcing his candidacy for president in New York in June 2015. (Christopher Gregory / Getty Images) (Christopher Gregory / Getty Images)
Early 2016: Trump dodges birther questions
As he began to inch closer to the GOP nomination, Trump started to shy away from the issue.
“Who cares right now? We’re talking about something else, OK?” he told CNN. “I have my own theory on Obama. Someday I will write a book.”
Summer 2016: Trump’s campaign starts to say he’s changed his belief
In recent weeks, top members of Trump’s campaign began trying to walk back the nominee’s statements. His running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, said he knew Obama was born a citizen. His campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, said last week that Trump believes Obama was born in the U.S., and a statement from a senior communications aide late Thursday asserted the same.
But none of those comments came from Trump himself, who declined to answer questions on the topic as recently as Wednesday in an interview with the Washington Post.
September 2016: Trump acknowledges the truth about Obama
Five years after began doing television interviews about Obama’s birth certificate, Trump declared at his new hotel in Washington that the president was born in the United States. Trump did not apologize, nor did he explain why he changed his mind.
At the same time, he claimed it was Hillary Clinton, his Democratic opponent who ran against Obama in the 2008 primary, who originally raised questions about the president’s birth. There’s no evidence of that.
Obama never produced his birth certificate. That would have immediately removed all doubts.
Why is it ok to attack Trump but Trump is not allowed to question the other side?
They forced Trump to disclose his tax records, which he broke no laws. They forced Trump to reveal his phone conversation with Ukraine, which he broke no laws. Meanwhile Biden boasts he used financial aid to get the prosecutor investigating Burisma fired.
Just saying, when you run for public office, your life becomes public and you may need to share private information like a birth certificate. Which should not be a big deal, unless you are hiding something.
Democrats virulently went after Trump's tax returns, when IRS claims they were totally protected. Yet, somehow they managed to get "leaked". Pays to have those on the inside of our government play only on their team.
And Trump did not violate tax laws written by politicians. So why is everyone upset about Trump not paying a lot in taxes? It’s the laws they voted for.
Why do you think they were so relentless, and had to jump extraordinary hoops to break through IRS privacy restrictions? Do you suspect they knew via a prior "leak" and assumed these returns would embarrass Trump. Turned out to be a big nothing burger, since the man runs complex business transactions, much to the Democrats great gotcha disappointment. Yet, Democrats still think they can stonewall the full transcripts of Biden-Hur interviews? What is the common disclosure denominator here?
WHO cares about his birth certificate…the bigger issue is that Obama is a known criminal…for those that trust TV, here’s a TV judge’s take on Obama’s background…
check the Judge’s claims…it’s a tangled web of power families…it’s generational…who funded Obama in his pre-political days…why are all his records sealed?
I have lots of Qs
What happens if 44 was actively running a shadow command and control [shadow presidency] operation against the duly elected POTUS?
What former mid-senior admin officials would need to be involved?
What current mid-senior admin officials would need to be involved?
What key positions of power would be critical to the operation?
Since I work with photoshop, I know exactly what a layered photoshop document is. But this is silly to argue about. He will be elected again if the powers that be want him in there, even if they have to do some sort of hinky thing like put him in as VP, then bump Kamala off (HRC, where are you?)
We are all worried about the eventual communism of America. That's what concerns us. You should be concerned about it too. Marxism is not an idealogy, it's a tactic. Divide and conquer. Tell one side they are oppressed, and blame their oppression on the other side. Works every time. We all need to get together on this and stop worrying about the minor players (Presidents, Senate, etc) Satan is winning, and America will be a total shithole if we let him.
Per my comment below - Obama cannot be VP. The 12th Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States"
Thank you for reading. It is meant to create discussions. For too long people have been unable to have conversations with opposing views.
I did notice you never addressed Joes mental illness and competency and if you think he should be the Democratic Nominee or how is it that overnight the Democratic Party & Hollywood turned on Joe allowing the public to now say he is mentally unfit.
Brain, I think both sides are blindly following the two defective leaders each side have running. Biden is old and doddering. I'd argue his administration has their act together but having him at top is a bad thing. You need to accept that that the other side feels just as just as you in their feelings that Trump in many ways is unfit. I think in a more fair world both sides would agree to this in some way and not thing the other sides is nuts and their guy is a miracle.
I hear you. But one claimed to be top of his law class, called gays in the military a national threat, used American aide to remove a Ukrainian prosecutor, purposely took classified documents as a senator, sold said classified information to make a book and was paid $8 million dollars, said his uncle was eaten by cannibals , has two dozen aliases, called American voters names, called American voters a threat to democracy, has insulted individual citizens, has pooped his pants on the White House lawn, doesn’t recognize his wife. etc…
Manny, what do you mean by “far right?” I have met and known of “far right” people here. When I was growing up in Santa Barbara there was a neo Nazi group headquartered in Montecito. There was also a landlord whose downtown office was full of Hitler photos. But most of the people commenting or writing columns here at SB Current are not “far right.” The ones I know personally are extremely liberal, in the sense that they have no trouble with differing opinions. I don't agree with all of them about everything and that's fine with me and fine with them. If you want to read a magazine that's not liberal, pick up The Independent. Nick Welsh spends his column in a TMI state, whining about his abscess tooth (please, Nick, no) and blaming his bad mood on Trump. Marianne Partridge inherited 18,000 acres and lectures the rest of Santa Barbara about giving up their single family neighborhoods so millions more can be packed in - but god forbid they ever try to take 1” of her ranch. Tell me what's liberal about that? If you and I were to sit down and talk about things that matter, other than Trump, I bet we'd agree a lot. And we'd both enjoy and might even join forces to save what's good about Santa Barbara. Here's what's so sad about you allowing yourself to be used by the elite Democrats: they don't want you to find common ground with your fellow Santa Barbaran. They are using you to divide and conquer.
Not prepared to argue the merits of Obamas Birth Certificate. I simply don’t know and don’t care. I do know he was an abysmal President. He was supposed to be a unifier, but it should be obvious to all he merely stoked the flames of racism. I’ll give him credit on Biden, correctly pointed out he is a grifter and notorious “fuck up” (Barry’s words).
Don’t you find it ironic that Dems get giddy over calling Trump a “Nazi,” when it is fact Democratic lefties who hate and assault Jews?
Hi Manny: One of the things I like about the S.B. Current is being able to read and participate in the comment section. I hope you do stay subscribed to it and comment on things that you find interesting. About it being "far right", I am not sure what that really means. I can only speak to my political position which is keeping government as small as possible and following the U.S. Constitution. That used to be a pretty main stream position at one time but ... As long as we try to state our positions with civility and an honest try to get our point across, I think this platform can become a great place to interact with other readers.
Democrats are now focusing on "Trump is Mean". One sees this now playing out at many levels, primarily from the utterings of both Kamala Harris and Michelle Obama.
From the Santa Barbara Street religious non-profit Unitarian Society's Wayside Pulpit announcing to passing cars: "Choose those who lift you up. Michelle Obama" to Kamala Harris reported today in the WSJ: "What kind of country do we want to live in? Do we want to live in a country of freedom, compassion, and rule of law, or in a country of chaos, fear and hate?"
Democrats sum and substance remains OrangemanBad and you are a bad person if you support him. They have not moved iota beyond that same 2020 message. Witness Democrats yet again claiming they are the aspirational party of decency, but in fact they did give us Joe Biden and his curiously mean-spirited Return to Decency.
Welcome to another dissonant Election Year, 2024, just like Democrats exploited fear, uncertainty and death threats during their Covid Election Year 2020. But that is mean of me to even mention this, making their case for them. Onwards and upwards folks, we have a lot of good to look forward to Making America Great Again. And not a moment too soon. Offense remains the best defense.
We (heart) conservatism because it is best for all of America. Loving what makes America great is our best gift: limited government; rule of law; protection of private property; free and competitive markets.
Unitarian society? Religious?
This is what I found from there website, it's so far removed from Christian beliefs it's actually disgusting
Although our historical roots are in the Christian and Jewish traditions, we have become a faith that welcomes insights from many sources, including world religions and philosophies as well as the arts and sciences.
Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion — that is, a religion that keeps an open mind to the religious questions people have struggled with in all times and places.
We believe that personal experience, (the errors of modernism and relativism are glowing here) conscience, and reason should be the final authorities in religion, and that in the end, religious authority is not found in a book or person, but within ourselves.
Many mountains reach into the sky. The hand has five fingers. How time in India teaches spiritual tolerance.
After the four years of Obama-driven, deep state sabotage thrown at POTUS Donald Trump, even before Trump was elected in 2016, it is Trump who deserves finally getting a real first term. He has more than earned it, and captured the will of America's long-suffering and silenced majority. America cannot survive a fourth term of Barack Obama.
Thank you, Brian. I get why the elites applaud the destruction of America - because it pays very nicely for their own perfect bubble of luxury. I get why so much of the media has been happy to lie to their readers and viewers. They don't make anywhere near the elite kind of money off it, but they can still sort of keep their Hamptons-on-the-weekend lifestyle. They're getting paid. But these Democrat friends that you and TheotokosAppreciator talk about - the ones who still believe despite eight years of being abusively lied to by their political party? Who still foam at the mouth with rage at Trump and anyone who doesn't go along with every single Democratic lie - and who have nothing to gain from it? What is wrong with them? For eight years I've said that if my longtime friends, the ones who called me a fascist and refused to talk to me simply because I don't hate Trump, if they were to call me up and apologize I'd be happy to forgive and forget. They wouldn't even have to explain why they went crazy like that. But not now. I will never forgive these people for ruining normal civil life. Life is full of enough tragedy. They have made every day more miserable than it ever needed to be.
Hook, line sinker and assassination attempt. Time for Democrats to cease all the crazy Trump is Hitler talk.
My parents wanted the shot to kill him... the actual demonic rhetoric coming from the left that makes people belive he's an evil dictator. Just wait, the secular left is no doubt using this to support their gun control agenda if they aren't cheering at this attempt.
Weren't there a bunch of tik tok shorts where peolle talked about the Supreme Court giving people the right to kill him? Crazy.
Meanwhile, the Deep State elites are conspiring in Sun Valley, Idaho, this weekend to develop the AI blast attack on Trump to keep him from power... Zuckerberg, Bob Iger from Disney, Spielberg, Katzenberg...all the big info war muckity muck Clowns…Sam Altman (Sammy Altman) with OpenAI will be the star of the show...
this is where the whole story is gonna be written/rewritten for Joe Biden using AI, as well as the retelling the story of Donald Trump over the last 8 years...doesn't have to be huge changes to the stories...AI to go over the stories that were written and rescale it down a little bit, a little bit more derogatory, upscale stories to make it a little bit more complimentary, change opinions slightly, change judicial opinions slightly, or add judicial opinions, append judicial opinions, automatically write opinion pieces through false accounts +++, and Blast, Blast, Blast…
https://www.mtexpress.com/news/sun_valley/business-titans-return-to-sun-valley-for-allen-co-conference/article_35d3637a-3fb1-11ef-a56c-c3d65ad09a1a.html
“Although the discussions within the conference have always been kept extremely private, participants were seen with pamphlets titled “Digital Infrastructure.”
let’s see if they change tactics & tone down the Trump rhetoric (Trump is Hitler, Russia Agent, Rapist, etc)…
"I bluntly said, “You’re going to vote for person who has a mental illness, who can’t find his way off a stage over a sharp, successful businessman?”
“Why?”
His response was simply, “I hate Trump.”
In a democracy we are at the whims of these type of people, as our society becomes increasingly more secular and rejects traditional values it will only get worse. This is the tyranny of the majority people love to overlook in their support for democracy. Such is life where rather than caring for absolute truths, people care only for how something makes them feel or if it isn't inconvenient without regard for any moral implications or consequences.
They would have to remove Anchor Baby because she’s not actually eligible for office, that is true. But then they would have to remove Kenya Barry because he’s not eligible either.
Mareth posting stuff like this just distracts from real conversations posters have here. The SB Current has lots of potential as a real discussion board but crap like Kenya Berry just needs to stay in your head rattling around.
The First Amendment is still the Law Thomas John, despite the best efforts of people like you. I suggest addressing your internal dissonance with facts and respecting the rights of your fellow citizens to speak freely.
You can post whatever you'd like. Thanks for the the First Amendment comment - but I'd suggest you do some homework and brush up on just what is and isn't covered by the First Amendment. (I guess they don't teach this in school anymore). The First Amendment does not directly apply to Substack, as it is a private company rather than a government entity. The First Amendment specifically protects against government censorship of speech, not actions taken by private organizations or platforms. We are all fortunate that although Substack is not legally bound by the First Amendment, it has voluntarily adopted policies that reflect many of its core values, creating a platform that aims to foster open discourse and diverse perspectives. The downside is folks posting unchecked about "Kenya Berry".
The birth certificate shown by Barack lists him as African American. Oddly this wasn’t a term used when he was born?
"Black is beautiful" apparently would be considered racist today. I'm wondering when "African-American" will be deemed politically incorrect by the Thought Police. The goalposts of political correctness keep getting moved.
Kenya Barry. Have a great day
Snopes in 2012 was forced to review and correct a 1991 marketing blurb, where this birthplace origin was stated as fact:
...."In May 2012 the web site Breitbart published a copy of a promotional booklet produced in 1991 by the literary agency Acton & Dystel showcasing their roster of writers, among whom was a young man named Barack Obama. This booklet was of particular interest because it included a brief biographical sketch which described the future President as having been born in Kenya:
Blurb: "Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation.
He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago's South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White....."
Snopes. Lol. You’re kidding right?
I remember reading the constititution when I was 12 years old (1973) and remember the part where it said that if even ONE parent is American, (at the time of the child's birth) the child is eligible (assuming the other terms are met) to run for president.
When the "Birthers" started up with the theory that Obama wasn't able to run for president because his father wasn't American and Obama was (allegedly) born outside the U.S. I had to re-check to make sure that what I'd read 35 years earlier had been correctly remembered by me.
Since nobody has even suggested his mother wasn't American, it appears that by birthright, Obama was eligible to run.
Free speech isn't a traditional or religious concept. It was born of the enlightenment and classical liberal thought, free speech protects Blasphemy, vulgar, and uncharitable language, it should not exist. We ought to say only the good things men need to hear; Ephesians 4:29: “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.”
Don't accuse me of being a liberal for having this view, because I am Carlist, the furthest I could possibly be from a liberal.
Thank God Trump is alive. Could all you Trump haters take the rest of the day off?
Pray for Trump…Pray for his family…Pray for Our Country
Most people are extremely easy to brainwash. Some of us aren't, and no one is sure why that is. Repeating things over and over, and using fear is usually all it takes. The boob tube is a very good tool; they don't call it 'programming' for nothing. My 93 yr old mom believes that everything on the internet is hooey, and that the TV is the only true thing...although recently, she's started to call it all bullshit and frequently turns it off, or just watches sports. When I show up, if the news is on, usually within a minute or two they spew some sort of lie. "Mom, they just lied. That's a lie." She has TDS, and I blame it on the TV. It is her ONLY source of information, besides here weekly magazine "The Week", which she is always trying to pawn off on me. I tell her I can't read that shit which is mostly democratic propaganda.
Recently read the Santa Maria Times on a short visit, and Biden is wonderful. Biden policies are wonderful. Trump is unspeakable. Biden will save us from Trump. However, they still do allow Andy Caldwell to write a column for their local consumption. One comes away from reading that local daily wondering why there is even any controversy about Biden right now.
It is good to expose oneself to the variety primary sources to understand what is America today. But also scratching one's head: where is the truth about any of these candidates when media input can be so diametrically opposed? What is the national Zeitgeist in 2024, and who best captures it this year.
Yes, the fix is in and the Dems are in full panic/bat shit crazy mode. The recent interview with George Stephanopoulos was yet another example of his journalistic malfeasance. Clearly, he knows of Mr. Biden’s mental status and has known for years and said nothing. He and the rest of the left wing media perpetrated this fraud on the American people.
Stephanopoulos had done this before. During the Clinton administration, he purportedly went after women accusing the former president of sexual misconduct. So much for “me too!”
Moreover, Stephanopoulos is a fraud and liar and owes ABC News, their shareholders and employees an explanation. After which he should be fired.
We need to come to a reckoning in this country after Trump takes back the White House. There needs to be accountability with those involved in propping up a mentally impaired, elderly patient for the last 4 years.
The reality is the Deep State DOES exist and the Dems just proved it. They thought they could get away with it, by installing Biden and then running our country by committee.
It’s no longer my Father’s Democratic Party. They have morphed into a cabal of corruption, incompetence and treachery.
The Press is ONLY turning on Biden because they got caught.
I’m afraid it’s a Uni party now
It’s been a Uniparty for decades. Career Politicians are for sale. Very few are moral, very few are religious believing they are servants of the people.
Methinks Barry Obama doesn’t have the balls to officially enter the race, but perhaps Michelle does…
"Insurgency is the organized use of subversion and violence to seize, nullify or challenge political control of a region."
Never has a president left office to collude with others to impede the next sitting president of the United States of America until Obama! Why did [Hussein, Barry] choose 'RENEGADE' as USSS codename? Define 'Renegade'. [Hussein, Barry] parents both fluent in Russian? Is Russian a common language to learn? Public 'career' history mom-dad? Public 'career' history require Russian language as prerequisite? Farm work takes special skills.
How was President Trump able to essentially destroy ISIS within the 1st year of his Presidency but HUSSEIN could not throughout entire term? What is Hussein's background? MUSLIM by faith? What is Valerie Jarrett’s background? MUSLIM by faith? What was John Brennan’s background? MUSLIM by faith?
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/28660 (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/28660)
"Insurgency is the organized use of subversion and violence to seize, nullify or challenge political control of a region." The presidency of Barack Hussein OBAMA began at noon EST on January 20, 2009, when Barack OBAMA was inaugurated as the 44th President of the United States. What Country was the true intended target?
Yes, Michelle has balls
I have to wonder every now and then if the diagnosis of Biden's medical condition is accurate. For 50 years he has been a corrupt politician and has topped it off with so many treasonous acts as president that he could face a military tribunal . It seems to me that there were/are grounds for him to be ousted from his post but the uni-party have done nothing and Robert Hur concluded that he was simply an old man with memory issues. Meanwhile the behind the scenes folks are getting their agenda attended to and the world sees Biden as just a poor old man. What a great "get out of jail card" Biden has.
It’s a long term plan where the Uniparty has dominated for decades. When you look back at elections you might think there’s been back & forth between R & Ds. Not so, the elections are appointments. The Uniparty appoints a D or an R to keep the people happy and to make it appear elections were not rigged.
In our own town elected officials have switched parties for appearances, rented houses in districts they never lived so they could run for that office, had their nephews appointed to city government, outspent outsiders by over $100,000, ballot counts not matching up, etc..,
The corruption and manipulation of the people goes from our own back yard all the way up to the top.
Only disrupters have shown some light, Raegan being one. And they tried to kill him.
Trump is another, they filed impeachment on him the day after he was sworn in.
The organized crime syndicate does not want the people to know they are being manipulated.
Biden being appointed as the Dem nominee for presidency is an obvious, in your face, example given his mental illness.
The problem is the people will forget, they are complacent. Just as the Jews were complacent in Egypt. They had to be shaken up to realize they were slaves. Even later they still wanted to go back to the abusive relationship they had because facing the unknown was scary to them. They wanted to go back to Egypt similar to the battered spouse who never leaves the abusive relationship.
Facts please. Trump was not impeached the day after he was sworn in. Where do you get this crap?
Trump was first impeached on December 18, 2019, nearly three years after he took office on January 20, 2017.
You’re right. The Democrats denied the election immediately. Hilary Clinton called Trump an illegitimate president. Boy she must be enjoying prison as an election denier. Nope, shes free to keep spreading lies and disinformation. They should have been prosecuted per Democrat law. .
Two Democratic congressmen filed the first article of impeachment against Trump back in July 2017 months after Trump was inaugurated. Reps. Brad Sherman of California and Al Green of Texas filed an article charging Trump obstructed justice after Trump fired James Comey. Apparently they didn’t like the bought & paid for FBI director being fired.
When Democrats won a majority in the House after the 2018 elections, impeachment talk grew louder and more, well, colorful. Sherman and Green reintroduced their article of impeachment on Jan. 3, and that same day, freshman Democrat Rashida Tlaib, at a MoveOn reception on Capitol Hill, proclaimed Democrats would "impeach the motherf*****."
What nice language from our “Higher Road” Democrat leaders, not. Dirty low life’s all of them just as they use foul language against Trump. Kettle/black.
Blessings to President Trump and innocent bystanders who were critically wounded. Who/Whomever is responsible for this vicious crime, may they bear the full weight of the US Justice Department.
For those that have openly expressed their hatred for our former President, take a bow!
Geriatric Joe, Traitor Obama and Coo-Coo Kamala - idiot crooks and liars. They don’t care about anything but more time in power. Add that most ‘sheeple’ are stupid and buy the MSM pablum and you have the perfect storm. Joe’s a dope & Kamala is a knucklehead, but one I absolutely can’t stand is that stinking hustler / traitor Obama.
Let’s hope the Commie-Dems are stupid enough to run Kamala as their candidate - Trump will beat her like a cheap drum.
Dementia and mental illness? trump a successful businessman? Anchor baby? You should learn more about what you are talking about. trump is not fit to be a dog catcher let alone the president. I did like your dog photo.
Lindberg,
Dog catcher? Can’t let your stupid comment go unchallenged. Seriously, as an adult, you can’t see what’s going on with the Democratic Party’s clown show? Let’s see, their playbook is to prop up an impaired 80 year old so the radicals have their way?
This, in order to promote racial hatred, spending us into bankruptcy, endless wars and opening the floodgates at the border? That’s your measure of success? That clearly won’t fly. Why? Because there is still enough good, decent patriots with Christian morals standing in the way. So get over it!
Carl,
You didn’t get the memo? It’s ok to publicly acknowledge Joes mental illness. Clooney just came out saying Biden is not fit, and he just raised $30,000,000 for Joe/Kamala.
Do you think Joe is of mentally sound mind? If so you are one of the last standing people refusing to see what has been obvious the past couple years. Or are you being paid?
Babylon Bee did a great spoof about George Cooney's latest "Ocean's 11" heist of $30 million dollars.
I promised myself I would stop reading articles in the Santa Barbara Current because they appear to be promoting a far right political agenda that is low on factual information and heavy on far out ideas and opinions. I do believe it is important to hear different points of view for sure. However, it would be helpful to have thoughtful discussions rather than constantly be exposed to wild unsubstantiated claims.
You caught me with your story as I have a dog and can relate to the intro in your story. Your purpose, however was to present your real thoughts on politics as you see them. My fault for sure. I had pretty much determined that the Santa Barbara Current is not a serious publication. Ok, my bad.
But I cannot just leave without making a comment on the term anchor baby and how that is being used against Kamala. Brings back the Trump claim that Obama was not a Citizen. Remember that?
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for holding the office of president or vice president. This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence.[1]
The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen" and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its exact meaning. The consensus of early 21st-century constitutional and legal scholars, together with relevant case law, is that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States. As to those born elsewhere who meet the legal requirements for birthright citizenship, the consensus emerging as of 2016 was that they also are natural-born citizens.[2][3][4]
The first nine presidents and the 12th president, Zachary Taylor, were all citizens at the adoption of the constitution in 1789, with all being born within the territory held by the United States and recognized in the Treaty of Paris. All presidents who have served since were born in the United States. Of the 45[a] individuals who became president, there have been eight that had at least one parent who was not born on U.S. soil.[5][6][7]
The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court, and by some lower courts that have addressed eligibility challenges, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate's eligibility as a natural-born citizen. Many eligibility lawsuits from the 2008, 2012, and 2016 election cycles were dismissed in lower courts due to the challengers' difficulty in showing that they had standing to raise legal objections. Additionally, some experts have suggested that the precise meaning of the natural-born-citizen clause may never be decided by the courts because, in the end, presidential eligibility may be determined to be a non-justiciable political question that can be decided only by Congress rather than by the judicial branch of government.[8][9]
What is "far right" to you Manny, because most people on the right here are contemporary conservatives, their beliefs are rooted in the enlightenment and classical liberalism, and the values they promote are hardly far right at all. Stop characterizing groups or ideologies as "far right" if you don't know what that even refers to. It's like when secular liberals call American Christians "evangelicals" or "fundamentalists" even though they both have distinct meaning, the former referring to a particular protestant group and the latter referring to those who interpret scripture literally (but are also protestant and could be involved in various other faith groups).
You make a fair point, that was a cheap shot on my part to label everyone on this publication as far right. My apologies. I don’t know how to characterize what appears to me as a common shallow belief system. I just don’t know how to characterize a comment like J. Livingston who stated “Manny, Trump never claimed Obama was not a natural born citizen. Trump thought the continued controversy was a waste of time and facilitated ending it once and for all.” How do I characterize a fabrication of the facts. Anyway, as I noted I hope all of you support each other and have a great life. My fault for taking the bait.
The bait is for open debate.
The last few years open debate has been shut down.
We aim to open up the conversation so we can hear out all sides.
My point in writing this was it is a publicly known issue that Joe has a mental illness. Despite this illness the Democratic Party still promotes Joes as the best luck to run a country. I question this. I also question the people who have been ignorant to Joes mental decline.
Please, keep challenging us and your neighbors, it is what this country was built upon, keeping us honest.
Also I apologize if I sounded harsh in my response.
you are welcome here, Manny, and I appreciate our need to join forces and not always be against each other. If Kamala were born on U.S. soil, I would consider her a natural born citizen. Obama? not so much. I think if we all start having conversations, we will find we have much more in common than we assume.
Don't forget John McCain was born in Panama.
youre not supposed to say his name! lol
(Why don't we say his name?)😉
McCain’s parents were US citizens. He was born on a military base, which means he’s qualified. However, I didn’t respect him.
Well, I worked for him.
I believe Barry Goldwater was born below the US southern border, before his birthplace was later incorporated into US territory proper.
I'm a Catholic Monarchist, a Carlist, and what I would consider to be far right in America (because the term far right is relativistic and will change based off of whatever is considered mainstream), would refer to groups/ideologies rooted in natives, and nationalists beliefs. They prioritize a homogenous population as opposed to focusing on a moral society, and often label "others" as enemies, that will destabilize a country. They might use Christian rhetoric or symbols, but ultimately not promote authentic Christian values; for examlle they might try to paint themselves as Christians because of their ancestors (assuming they don't mbrace paganism) but sometimes support abortion for non white populations because for them, the ends justify the means. These people (mostly young men) might call themselves "race realists" emphasizing a distinction between different racial groups and cite how 'diversity' is a weakness, but beyond that they often posses anti-Christian sentiments fostered around hatred of different racial groups n contrast to the Catholic Church which preaches about a universal brotherhood to which all men belong; they might embrace eugenics, scientific racism, social darwinism, and other anti Christian values opposed to charity and brotherly love.
As for J. Livingstons response, I don't know anything about it, but that is a rather mainstream sentiment I've seen expressed online. I don't need such rhetoric to justify my opposition to Obama, he doesn't alight with my Catholic faith nor does he promote Christian values in his policies, that's all I need without resorting to extravagant claims (be they true or false).
I appreciate your a firm of Catholic. Catholics are a denomination of. Christianity, followers of Jesus. But you are not Christian, you follow another firm that was not from the direct teachings of Jesus.
With that said the Old Testament, tora, Quora , has many areas of conflict with Christianity.
As Mormon, Orthodox, etc, Catholism is not Christianity.
Reality is Jesus did not want his oriole to conform to man’s word or man’s teachings. Jesus wanted us to love on all brothers and believe and out all faith into God.
No the Catholic Church is the original and True Church. The Church has maintained apostolic succession like the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, and Assyrian Church of the East. We have valid sacraments, the Catholic Magisterium has preserved and protected scripture from protestant abuses, where each is free to interpret as he wishes (relativism), the Church has consistently fought against heresies and it's odd that you reject the Catholic Church and it's ecclesiology, yet you embrace the Chrstology the Church has uncovered throughout history. You take the fact that God is a Triune God, that Christ has two natures (A human and divine nature), that he is Consubstantial with the Father, etc for granted. Catholic teachings are those of Christ, it was not the protestants who defined orthodoxy, nor protestants who defended the Early Church against heresies, nor was it people without authority who maintained the True Faith (it was they who corrupted and perverted it) and led people astray, by deviating from what the Apostles taught them.
Christ established a Church, he appointed shepherds to guide his flocks, St. Paul explicitly says to a Christian community in the New Testament to listen to and follows the Gospel he as an apostle (an authority) has taught them, rejecting what others say. It is not just "the word of man", Christ explicity gave Peter the authority to bind and loose, to accept and deny particular teachings.
Agree to disagree. Christianity is derived directly from Christ who died on the cross. Catholics, Mormons, masons, Muslim all came later and differ from Christ’s teachings and appointments.
That is the point 8 make about churches. They are man’s version of what man thinks is right. Which again opens us up to debate without judgement as Jesus taught us, it is not our place to judge.
Old Testament contradicts New Testament. For example Sabath, Old Testament says stone a man for gathering sticks. Jesus taught us it is ok to heal and help the lost on Sabath. God told us th Sabath was holy to us, for us.
So who is correct? If you resound to this post on the Sabath should we stone you?
Oddly, Wikipedia has definitions for far-right but not far-left. Telling isn’t it?
Well Wikipedia's contributors are sinful, and flawd persons like all of us. They have their own agendas and beliefs, it's not necessarily surprising if that's true as they might value political victories over objective truth.
Manny, Trump never claimed Obama was not a natural born citizen. Trump thought the continued controversy over his birth certificate was a waste of time and facilitated ending it once and for all. And he did. Stop the lies about Trump.
Really, you are saying that Trump never claimed that Obama was not a natural born citizen. Perhaps your memory is faulty. Please consider the following:
POLITICS
What Donald Trump has said through the years about where President Obama was born
By Chris Megerian
Sept. 16, 2016 1:20 PM PT
Donald Trump stood before television cameras on Friday and acknowledged a well-known fact that he had spent years denying — “President Barack Obama was born in the United States.”
It will be up to voters to determine whether that one sentence can erase years of Trump’s lying about whether Obama was born an American citizen, a long history of the Republican nominee attempting to undermine the legitimacy of the country’s first black president.
Here’s a look at Trump’s history of spreading falsehoods about Obama’s origins.
2008: Obama first faces questions about his birthplace
With rumors percolating about whether Obama was born in the U.S. and thus eligible to serve as president — a movement that would be dubbed birtherism — his campaign released a certification of live birth to prove he was born in Hawaii in 1961.
Spring 2011: Trump joins the movement
Three years later, Trump began pushing the issue in television interviews as he was considering whether to run for president in 2012.
“I have some real doubts,” Trump told the “Today” show. He claimed to have sent his own investigators to Hawaii, where Obama was born. "I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding."
Trump raised another falsehood in an interview with "Good Morning America," suggesting Obama was trying to conceal his religion by withholding his birth certificate. “Maybe it says he's a Muslim,” he said. Obama is Christian.
April 2011: Obama releases his long-form birth certificate
After weeks of Trump stirring the pot, the president called a White House news conference to release his long-form birth certificate. Obama called the issue a distraction pushed by “carnival barkers,” an implicit dig at Trump.
In response, Trump bragged about forcing Obama to release the document. He said he was "very proud” of himself and the birth certificate would have to be examined to ensure it was authentic.
2012: Trump presses birther issue during election
Trump’s campaign claimed in a statement on Thursday evening that he “brought closure” to the issue in 2011 when Obama released his birth certificate. But it’s clear that Trump didn’t consider the matter to be settled while Obama was running for reelection.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/232572505238433794
Trump even encouraged Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential nominee, to press the issue during a debate. In his tweet, Trump cites a promotional booklet for Obama’s autobiography that inaccurately says he was born outside the U.S.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/252850650784882688
2013: Trump keeps the falsehood alive
Trump continued to spread conspiracy theories about the birth certificate the year after Obama was reelected, suggesting the death of a Hawaiian official was somehow related to a cover-up of the president’s true origins.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/411247268763676673
In an interview with ABC News, Trump said the issue “made me very popular.” Pressed to acknowledge that Obama was born in the United States, he said, “I’m saying I don’t know. Nobody knows.”
2015: Trump launches presidential campaign
Trump announced in June 2015 that he would run for president as a Republican. A month later, he renewed his doubts about Obama’s birthplace. "I don't know. I really don't know," he said during a CNN interview.
Donald Trump poses with his family after announcing his candidacy for president in New York in June 2015. (Christopher Gregory / Getty Images)
Donald Trump poses with his family after announcing his candidacy for president in New York in June 2015. (Christopher Gregory / Getty Images) (Christopher Gregory / Getty Images)
Early 2016: Trump dodges birther questions
As he began to inch closer to the GOP nomination, Trump started to shy away from the issue.
“Who cares right now? We’re talking about something else, OK?” he told CNN. “I have my own theory on Obama. Someday I will write a book.”
Summer 2016: Trump’s campaign starts to say he’s changed his belief
In recent weeks, top members of Trump’s campaign began trying to walk back the nominee’s statements. His running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, said he knew Obama was born a citizen. His campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, said last week that Trump believes Obama was born in the U.S., and a statement from a senior communications aide late Thursday asserted the same.
But none of those comments came from Trump himself, who declined to answer questions on the topic as recently as Wednesday in an interview with the Washington Post.
September 2016: Trump acknowledges the truth about Obama
Five years after began doing television interviews about Obama’s birth certificate, Trump declared at his new hotel in Washington that the president was born in the United States. Trump did not apologize, nor did he explain why he changed his mind.
At the same time, he claimed it was Hillary Clinton, his Democratic opponent who ran against Obama in the 2008 primary, who originally raised questions about the president’s birth. There’s no evidence of that.
chris.megerian@latimes.com
Hope this helps refresh your memory
Obama never produced his birth certificate. That would have immediately removed all doubts.
Why is it ok to attack Trump but Trump is not allowed to question the other side?
They forced Trump to disclose his tax records, which he broke no laws. They forced Trump to reveal his phone conversation with Ukraine, which he broke no laws. Meanwhile Biden boasts he used financial aid to get the prosecutor investigating Burisma fired.
Just saying, when you run for public office, your life becomes public and you may need to share private information like a birth certificate. Which should not be a big deal, unless you are hiding something.
Obama did elease his long form birth certificate 4/27/11. This is just one of a zillions cites that covered it.
Years before that, in 2008, he release his "Certification of Live Birth" which too many people complained about.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/
The African-American designation on Obama’s birth certificate wasn’t used when he was born.
The wing of the hospital listed didn’t exist when he was born.
I guess you didn't even look........ It's says "African." There is no 'wing' listed. Please try to keep conspriancy stuff to a minimum.
Democrats virulently went after Trump's tax returns, when IRS claims they were totally protected. Yet, somehow they managed to get "leaked". Pays to have those on the inside of our government play only on their team.
And Trump did not violate tax laws written by politicians. So why is everyone upset about Trump not paying a lot in taxes? It’s the laws they voted for.
The House Ways and Means Committee voted to release six years of Trump's tax returns (2015-2020). I guess that's a leak.
Why do you think they were so relentless, and had to jump extraordinary hoops to break through IRS privacy restrictions? Do you suspect they knew via a prior "leak" and assumed these returns would embarrass Trump. Turned out to be a big nothing burger, since the man runs complex business transactions, much to the Democrats great gotcha disappointment. Yet, Democrats still think they can stonewall the full transcripts of Biden-Hur interviews? What is the common disclosure denominator here?
WHO cares about his birth certificate…the bigger issue is that Obama is a known criminal…for those that trust TV, here’s a TV judge’s take on Obama’s background…
https://www.bitchute.com/video/l6ECD0yU0KwX
PS… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Brown_%28judge%29
Oh my.
I cry for our country. The corrupt press is culpable for much damage to the citizenry
Virtually the entire human race is hypnotized because they think what someone else told them to think…
So a TV Judge Judy clone, twice divorced, who's been held in contempt of court on five charges?
check the Judge’s claims…it’s a tangled web of power families…it’s generational…who funded Obama in his pre-political days…why are all his records sealed?
I have lots of Qs
What happens if 44 was actively running a shadow command and control [shadow presidency] operation against the duly elected POTUS?
What former mid-senior admin officials would need to be involved?
What current mid-senior admin officials would need to be involved?
What key positions of power would be critical to the operation?
Our government is rotten to the core…
none of that is very convincing, but still, why would it be wrong for him (or anyone else) to question it, especially since we all saw the photoshop layered birth certificate. Include the timely death of the woman that worked in Hawaii that would have known the truth...the only person to drown in an water ditched aircraft. https://www.nbcnews.com/usnews/health-director-who-approved-obama-birth-certificate-dies-plane-crash-2d11732106
Since I work with photoshop, I know exactly what a layered photoshop document is. But this is silly to argue about. He will be elected again if the powers that be want him in there, even if they have to do some sort of hinky thing like put him in as VP, then bump Kamala off (HRC, where are you?)
We are all worried about the eventual communism of America. That's what concerns us. You should be concerned about it too. Marxism is not an idealogy, it's a tactic. Divide and conquer. Tell one side they are oppressed, and blame their oppression on the other side. Works every time. We all need to get together on this and stop worrying about the minor players (Presidents, Senate, etc) Satan is winning, and America will be a total shithole if we let him.
Per my comment below - Obama cannot be VP. The 12th Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States"
You made my case, Manny. Would you like to move on to issues of more immediate substance?
Go to minute 1:20. This is pretty funny that Obama joked about the birth certificate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6gOKSVpqDQ
Thank you for reading. It is meant to create discussions. For too long people have been unable to have conversations with opposing views.
I did notice you never addressed Joes mental illness and competency and if you think he should be the Democratic Nominee or how is it that overnight the Democratic Party & Hollywood turned on Joe allowing the public to now say he is mentally unfit.
It is the blind following I was pointing out.
Brain, I think both sides are blindly following the two defective leaders each side have running. Biden is old and doddering. I'd argue his administration has their act together but having him at top is a bad thing. You need to accept that that the other side feels just as just as you in their feelings that Trump in many ways is unfit. I think in a more fair world both sides would agree to this in some way and not thing the other sides is nuts and their guy is a miracle.
It’s a choice of the lesser evils then.
So everyone is voting for Kennedy?
Three evils. There is not one good option in the bunch.
I hear you. But one claimed to be top of his law class, called gays in the military a national threat, used American aide to remove a Ukrainian prosecutor, purposely took classified documents as a senator, sold said classified information to make a book and was paid $8 million dollars, said his uncle was eaten by cannibals , has two dozen aliases, called American voters names, called American voters a threat to democracy, has insulted individual citizens, has pooped his pants on the White House lawn, doesn’t recognize his wife. etc…
What have the other two done?
Manny, what do you mean by “far right?” I have met and known of “far right” people here. When I was growing up in Santa Barbara there was a neo Nazi group headquartered in Montecito. There was also a landlord whose downtown office was full of Hitler photos. But most of the people commenting or writing columns here at SB Current are not “far right.” The ones I know personally are extremely liberal, in the sense that they have no trouble with differing opinions. I don't agree with all of them about everything and that's fine with me and fine with them. If you want to read a magazine that's not liberal, pick up The Independent. Nick Welsh spends his column in a TMI state, whining about his abscess tooth (please, Nick, no) and blaming his bad mood on Trump. Marianne Partridge inherited 18,000 acres and lectures the rest of Santa Barbara about giving up their single family neighborhoods so millions more can be packed in - but god forbid they ever try to take 1” of her ranch. Tell me what's liberal about that? If you and I were to sit down and talk about things that matter, other than Trump, I bet we'd agree a lot. And we'd both enjoy and might even join forces to save what's good about Santa Barbara. Here's what's so sad about you allowing yourself to be used by the elite Democrats: they don't want you to find common ground with your fellow Santa Barbaran. They are using you to divide and conquer.
Not prepared to argue the merits of Obamas Birth Certificate. I simply don’t know and don’t care. I do know he was an abysmal President. He was supposed to be a unifier, but it should be obvious to all he merely stoked the flames of racism. I’ll give him credit on Biden, correctly pointed out he is a grifter and notorious “fuck up” (Barry’s words).
Don’t you find it ironic that Dems get giddy over calling Trump a “Nazi,” when it is fact Democratic lefties who hate and assault Jews?
If the Dems is 'in fact' hate and assault Jews why are 70% of American Jews Democrats?
Don’t know Bruh, I do know someone just tried to assassinate President Trump. Gee, I wonder who would do this…
Hi Manny: One of the things I like about the S.B. Current is being able to read and participate in the comment section. I hope you do stay subscribed to it and comment on things that you find interesting. About it being "far right", I am not sure what that really means. I can only speak to my political position which is keeping government as small as possible and following the U.S. Constitution. That used to be a pretty main stream position at one time but ... As long as we try to state our positions with civility and an honest try to get our point across, I think this platform can become a great place to interact with other readers.
Actually, it was Hillary Clinton that first made the claim about Obama when she was running for president against him.