This is a movie we need to watch again! Oh wait, we are watching the remake LIVE! We need to make sure everyone we know understands what is going on here. Our country and future depends on it. Thanks for a great summary.
Michael, this is a terrible situation. But what does one do if a person in politics commits a crime? I think this suit was a waste - but the documents case is far more worrisome. Will any prosecution be deemed partisan? It's a sad that the judicial branch is has descended to a place were 'lawfare' is a real word.
Biden had more classified documents since when he was VP. In loose boxes in his garage and in his office at a university in Pennsylvania. Apparently that’s not a crime
He turned them over immediately, but Trump went to great lengths to hide them, that was the crime. Did you conveniently forget that damning key fact? Had Trump simply returned all classified national secrets promptly there would have been no crime.
C'mon Eric: "He turned them over immediately?" He was a senator and then a Vice President with no authorisation to have had a single one of those "classified" documents for... thirty, forty years. "Immediately?" Surely, you jest. As for President Trump, he was the 45th president in a row who had disagreements as to what was personal and what "belongs" to the archives. His position certainly didn't warrant an armed raid on his house. The people in charge at DOJ are criminals.
Never mind the foundation of our country on the rule of law, the cornerstone of our Constitution. He was found guilty by 12 jurors that listen to all the facts and decide he was guilty 34 times. Sure ignore that at the peril of the nation.
Jefferson Smith was a putz and a boy scout - a funky little minnow swimming with sharks.
You wanna see what politics is really all about? Read about George Washington Plunkitt, an old-time New York political boss whose motto was “I seen my opportunities and I took ‘em”. He talks about graft and how it really works “ . . I’m getting richer every day . .” https://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5030
*Hit* this guy!” was Taylor’s command. Absolutely right.
Senator Paine - “Expel me, not him.!” Oh p l e e a s e ! What politician would throw himself under the bus because it was the right thing to do? What a joke.
Look - politics is a filthy _business_ and as long as people crave fame, money & success it will always be a filthy, corrupt business.
I’m pissed that Trump got got railroaded by the Commi-Dem judge and the stupid jurors, but that’s not the point. The problem is the GOP better learn how to gutter-fight or we’re always gonna be sucking hind-tit. You can see that Bragg and the rest of the gang were closer to the courts than Biden’s diaper when it came to backroom dealings, evidenced by Trump’s conviction.
The GOP has _gotta_ learn - ’Talk’s cheap - takes Wampum to buy whiskey!’
1) First of all, we gotta sue every Democrat in sight, and make Trump’s lawsuits look like ’just politics.’ For sure they all have a skeleton in the closet somewhere. How do I know? Because they’re politicians!
2) Then we gotta dig up every video that shows FJB for what he really is - a doddering old fool with one hand on his walker and the other on the nuclear button - like this one for instance: https://tinyurl.com/4r33tvra
I am sick to death of the GOP’s ‘High road’ We gotta start kicking ass, know for sure the the average American will believe your lies if you promise enough and make ‘em half-way believable, and that people don’t give a hoot about ‘the right thing’ - they’re looking for a chicken in every pot and “What’s in it for me.!”
Earl, I'm with you most of the way, but Biden doesn't have "one hand on his walker and the other on the nuclear button." His other hand is in your and my pocket!
This ruling and the other cases amount to domestic terrorist attacks on our judicial system, and virtually everybody knows it. They could not have helped Trump win in November more if they tried. He got 34 MM in American donations within hours of the sham verdict by people who realize the magnitude of corruption involved and who now clearly see that Trump is the only thing between us and a country and legal system run by a corrupt cartel.
You know, it hasn't taken the Dems ( and Repukes) very long to corrupt every department of government.
It is so devastating to see one of the last firewalls of checks and balances now be totally overtaken by the corrupt Dems. (and Repukes) I had prayed that at least there were still moral individuals in the Justice Dept. But no, they are more corrupt than Congress, Senate, Presidency, and all their minions.
If the Supreme Court sinks into the murky cesspool, then it is over for America. We are officially a Third World Banana Republic. I hear people say that they will just leave this country. Wow, what has our citizen base become? These idiots don't realize America was the last country standing for democracy. Just look at the boarder, those people are fleeing countries like what we are becoming.
Yes, we are witnessing it live. As President Ronald Reagan often reminded we Americans, freedom and liberty must constantly be protected and defended! Our founders said the same things. We are now under siege. We are in need of God’s Providence!
It was actually "Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction". But you might have the better world choice these days.
I just scanned through the 34 counts...all of them refer to 'intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime' although the other crime is never mentioned, nor is he being charged with this other crime. What is that other crime?
Remember the Clinton trial in the Senate for lying about his hanky-panky in the Oval Office? Try to imagine having poor Monica coming into the senate and describing in graphic detail the incident? And then having the blue dress submitted as evidence. Well, that is more or less what happened when Stormy Daniels testified against Trump at his trial. It was a blatant attempt to shame Trump. I also thought it was interesting that historian Arthur Schlesinger defended Clinton that the lying about the incident of engaging an intern in a sexual encounter was not a high crime and misdemeanor of a magnitude to remove him from office, yet if Schlesinger had done something similar with a student he would have been fired and lost his tenure. We frequently hear the mantra that we are a country of laws, yet this case seemed more one of made up laws, turning misdemeanors into felonies. By the way, Capra had the reputation in Hollywood in some circles of being a fascist. But it is a fascinating movie, and the comparison with the Trump trial is pretty interesting.
Trump probably won’t be found officially innocent until after the election, but there’ll be enough outrage and thoughtful commentary by credible sources from now ’till then to make the judge, the jurors and the current charges seems like a bad joke.
It's pretty obvious Merchan slanted his 50 page jury instructions towards conviction. There were 2 attorney's on the panel. Rather than an independent, thoughtful anaylsis, they probably went along with the judge, who usually has 'the last word.'
Oh I don’t think ‘legal’ matters much at all. It’s more like 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
‘Judge’ Merchan, Bragg and the rest of the gang doesn’t give a hoot about a ‘legally sound case’ They know they’re in deep kimchee, and must do whatever it takes to avoid pitting FJoe Biden against Donald Trump this November.
Once this case gets out of flash publicity and down to the nitty-gritty, I believe there are enough honest, contemplative legal scholars who will judge it fairly and find Trump innocent. Maybe not award Trumpy a ‘Good Boy’ pin, but at least kick a little Merchan ass.
more likely they were threatened, plus the judge gave them simple 'get this done quick' orders by telling them they only need 4 of them on each count to be a majority...which will surely get this entire mess thrown out. Problem is, the left doesn't realize that the more they poke the bear, the more the friends the bear gets.
That '4 of them on each count' thing is BS floating around the internet. Just becuase a buddy on X posted it doesn't make it so. But I guess we'll find out ..... And really, the jury was threatened? And not one of 12 spoke up about that? Ok...
i said 'more likely' were threatened. Usually, when you are threatened it comes with a 'and don't fucking talk about this or else'. Weird thing was they should have had access to the judge's instructions in writing and not have to have him read them to him. Lots of hinky shit about this trial.
Interesting analogy of Derek Chauvin to Trump. So a few MAGA folks on the jury are afraid of Adam Schiff? But I do get your point and that is a sad state we are in if that is the case.
This is a movie we need to watch again! Oh wait, we are watching the remake LIVE! We need to make sure everyone we know understands what is going on here. Our country and future depends on it. Thanks for a great summary.
Whether you love, hate or anything in between Donald J. Trump you should be saddened at lawfare used to eliminate a political opponent.
Another rip in the fabric of our country.
They’re so obvious in their destruction of our judicial systems
Deny it at your own peril.
Some can destroy communities and murder innocents with no consequences while others with the wrong thoughts end up in jail.
Banana republic. What say you?
Michael, this is a terrible situation. But what does one do if a person in politics commits a crime? I think this suit was a waste - but the documents case is far more worrisome. Will any prosecution be deemed partisan? It's a sad that the judicial branch is has descended to a place were 'lawfare' is a real word.
Biden had more classified documents since when he was VP. In loose boxes in his garage and in his office at a university in Pennsylvania. Apparently that’s not a crime
He turned them over immediately, but Trump went to great lengths to hide them, that was the crime. Did you conveniently forget that damning key fact? Had Trump simply returned all classified national secrets promptly there would have been no crime.
C'mon Eric: "He turned them over immediately?" He was a senator and then a Vice President with no authorisation to have had a single one of those "classified" documents for... thirty, forty years. "Immediately?" Surely, you jest. As for President Trump, he was the 45th president in a row who had disagreements as to what was personal and what "belongs" to the archives. His position certainly didn't warrant an armed raid on his house. The people in charge at DOJ are criminals.
Count on my vote for the “convicted felon”
I always judge people by who hates them. Trump is hated by all the right people.
Never mind the foundation of our country on the rule of law, the cornerstone of our Constitution. He was found guilty by 12 jurors that listen to all the facts and decide he was guilty 34 times. Sure ignore that at the peril of the nation.
Eric: And, they didn't "listen to all the facts." They listened to what the judge allowed them to listen to.
Anyone who supports this political lynching of a political opponent by the Biden administration is certainly cheering on the destruction of America.
Jefferson Smith was a putz and a boy scout - a funky little minnow swimming with sharks.
You wanna see what politics is really all about? Read about George Washington Plunkitt, an old-time New York political boss whose motto was “I seen my opportunities and I took ‘em”. He talks about graft and how it really works “ . . I’m getting richer every day . .” https://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5030
*Hit* this guy!” was Taylor’s command. Absolutely right.
Senator Paine - “Expel me, not him.!” Oh p l e e a s e ! What politician would throw himself under the bus because it was the right thing to do? What a joke.
Look - politics is a filthy _business_ and as long as people crave fame, money & success it will always be a filthy, corrupt business.
I’m pissed that Trump got got railroaded by the Commi-Dem judge and the stupid jurors, but that’s not the point. The problem is the GOP better learn how to gutter-fight or we’re always gonna be sucking hind-tit. You can see that Bragg and the rest of the gang were closer to the courts than Biden’s diaper when it came to backroom dealings, evidenced by Trump’s conviction.
The GOP has _gotta_ learn - ’Talk’s cheap - takes Wampum to buy whiskey!’
1) First of all, we gotta sue every Democrat in sight, and make Trump’s lawsuits look like ’just politics.’ For sure they all have a skeleton in the closet somewhere. How do I know? Because they’re politicians!
2) Then we gotta dig up every video that shows FJB for what he really is - a doddering old fool with one hand on his walker and the other on the nuclear button - like this one for instance: https://tinyurl.com/4r33tvra
I am sick to death of the GOP’s ‘High road’ We gotta start kicking ass, know for sure the the average American will believe your lies if you promise enough and make ‘em half-way believable, and that people don’t give a hoot about ‘the right thing’ - they’re looking for a chicken in every pot and “What’s in it for me.!”
Earl, I'm with you most of the way, but Biden doesn't have "one hand on his walker and the other on the nuclear button." His other hand is in your and my pocket!
This ruling and the other cases amount to domestic terrorist attacks on our judicial system, and virtually everybody knows it. They could not have helped Trump win in November more if they tried. He got 34 MM in American donations within hours of the sham verdict by people who realize the magnitude of corruption involved and who now clearly see that Trump is the only thing between us and a country and legal system run by a corrupt cartel.
Great article.well written.
Excellent and truthful article.
You know, it hasn't taken the Dems ( and Repukes) very long to corrupt every department of government.
It is so devastating to see one of the last firewalls of checks and balances now be totally overtaken by the corrupt Dems. (and Repukes) I had prayed that at least there were still moral individuals in the Justice Dept. But no, they are more corrupt than Congress, Senate, Presidency, and all their minions.
If the Supreme Court sinks into the murky cesspool, then it is over for America. We are officially a Third World Banana Republic. I hear people say that they will just leave this country. Wow, what has our citizen base become? These idiots don't realize America was the last country standing for democracy. Just look at the boarder, those people are fleeing countries like what we are becoming.
Is demeaning one of the countries political parties elevating?
This type of thing further divides us.
This is exactly what tyrants want!
While we squabble they dismantle!!
Well we better not just sit on our butts and let them (both parties) ruin this once great country created by by God.
Good column. Strange times in America!
Yes, we are witnessing it live. As President Ronald Reagan often reminded we Americans, freedom and liberty must constantly be protected and defended! Our founders said the same things. We are now under siege. We are in need of God’s Providence!
Reagan also said, America is just one generation away from tyranny.
It was actually "Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction". But you might have the better world choice these days.
I just scanned through the 34 counts...all of them refer to 'intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime' although the other crime is never mentioned, nor is he being charged with this other crime. What is that other crime?
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23741570-new-york-v-trump-indictment
See Justin's post above. It outlines the crime in everyday language.
I don’t see a Justin.
It's below now on my screen now. I'm not sure how I have the thread sorted?
I found it. Thx
The fact this had to be written is a sad commentary on both New York, and twisted 3rd world law in the nation.
Remember the Clinton trial in the Senate for lying about his hanky-panky in the Oval Office? Try to imagine having poor Monica coming into the senate and describing in graphic detail the incident? And then having the blue dress submitted as evidence. Well, that is more or less what happened when Stormy Daniels testified against Trump at his trial. It was a blatant attempt to shame Trump. I also thought it was interesting that historian Arthur Schlesinger defended Clinton that the lying about the incident of engaging an intern in a sexual encounter was not a high crime and misdemeanor of a magnitude to remove him from office, yet if Schlesinger had done something similar with a student he would have been fired and lost his tenure. We frequently hear the mantra that we are a country of laws, yet this case seemed more one of made up laws, turning misdemeanors into felonies. By the way, Capra had the reputation in Hollywood in some circles of being a fascist. But it is a fascinating movie, and the comparison with the Trump trial is pretty interesting.
Trump probably won’t be found officially innocent until after the election, but there’ll be enough outrage and thoughtful commentary by credible sources from now ’till then to make the judge, the jurors and the current charges seems like a bad joke.
Earl: We also must find out what the jurors know and when did they know it! I really don't believe they were given enough information to acquit.
It's pretty obvious Merchan slanted his 50 page jury instructions towards conviction. There were 2 attorney's on the panel. Rather than an independent, thoughtful anaylsis, they probably went along with the judge, who usually has 'the last word.'
Oh I don’t think ‘legal’ matters much at all. It’s more like 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.
‘Judge’ Merchan, Bragg and the rest of the gang doesn’t give a hoot about a ‘legally sound case’ They know they’re in deep kimchee, and must do whatever it takes to avoid pitting FJoe Biden against Donald Trump this November.
Once this case gets out of flash publicity and down to the nitty-gritty, I believe there are enough honest, contemplative legal scholars who will judge it fairly and find Trump innocent. Maybe not award Trumpy a ‘Good Boy’ pin, but at least kick a little Merchan ass.
Earl: Yes, but if they succeed in winning this election, nothing else will matter.
Jim - 'they'- don't you mean us? - the GOP?
Unfortunately, most of the scriptwriters in Hollywood today would not write such an ending. Orange Man bad!
Are the 12 jurors also part of the "tyranny now loose in America" that voted unanimously on the 34 counts Trump was charged with?
Thomas: Well, I suppose so, although they were unwitting accomplices.
more likely they were threatened, plus the judge gave them simple 'get this done quick' orders by telling them they only need 4 of them on each count to be a majority...which will surely get this entire mess thrown out. Problem is, the left doesn't realize that the more they poke the bear, the more the friends the bear gets.
That '4 of them on each count' thing is BS floating around the internet. Just becuase a buddy on X posted it doesn't make it so. But I guess we'll find out ..... And really, the jury was threatened? And not one of 12 spoke up about that? Ok...
i said 'more likely' were threatened. Usually, when you are threatened it comes with a 'and don't fucking talk about this or else'. Weird thing was they should have had access to the judge's instructions in writing and not have to have him read them to him. Lots of hinky shit about this trial.
Hey, . . . I thought girls weren't supposed to swear! :)
I’m far from a girl.
i looked that up about the 4 of them on each count... does seem like it was bullshit.
Interesting analogy of Derek Chauvin to Trump. So a few MAGA folks on the jury are afraid of Adam Schiff? But I do get your point and that is a sad state we are in if that is the case.