Yes Henry, political homeless-illegals social engineering and state water diversion (for fish worshipping) isn’t a substitute for fire prevention engineering, consisting of brush control management, adequate and filled reservoirs, adequate and working fire hydrants, adequate and working fire trucks, functional fire emergency protocols. The men and woman combatting fires are the people risking their lives to save the life and property of residents. It is the fire people deserving to be worshipped, not the politicians that dance to the tune of restoration money coming their way. Hopefully Trump will see to it that doesn’t happen!
In Los Angeles, the most fire-related calls they receive are homeless encampment fires. In Santa Barbara, keep an eye out for fires while driving; such as encampment locations off the freeways are a known problem area. Residents should pester the city governments to clean them up as a preventative fire control measure. The danger of high winds is not new to Santa Barbara
"In a briefing short on details about water pressure and water supply, but long on warnings about advance preparation and personal responsibility, the county supervisors got a sobering earful from Fire Chief Mark Hartwig and county emergency planning czar Kelly Hubbard in response to the wind-driven infernos now engulfing much of Los Angeles."“Keep your head on the swivel,” he warned residents. People need to self-evacuate; he stressed. It’s not realistic or even possible, he added, for first responders to knock on every door." CAN YOU SAY CYA!!!!!
About the time my wife and I were booted out of our Santa Barbara home in violation of our amendment rights (4th and 5th), I was in the process of adding my own fire protection system. One year during a fire storm, our mailbox was posted with a tag labeling "no fire protection." We lived at the end of a 300-foot private driveway surrounded by burnable trees. Nice to find out we had no protection during a close call with a mountain fire. Later, I made a project out of tapping into our 2" PVC water line midway down the driveway for the purpose to maintain water in a polypropylene water storage tank using a Honda gas-powered water pump and a fire hose. I planned to have all the firemen apparel and air breathing equipment. The house used a heat pump so the air circulation could be shut down from outside. We were always the last ones to leave our house which was required at one time. It was in the genes, there were several policeman and firemen I had as relatives: really stubborn.
I think everyone should plan not only for fire but for anything. I.E. earthquakes, power outages, no gas and even some catastrophic event. We cannot rely on anyone except ourselves. We don't have to go over the top with it, but dried food, some guns, and know how to use them, precious metals and as you said, just smart planning. We will all be on our own. We see it every time in a country that's becoming more third world Venezuela.
A technically smart and financially successful, liberal engineer graduate friend of mine from the 1960's, Neil Robin (now deceased), lived remotely in a wooded area nearby the shores of Port Angeles, WA. On the radio, all Neil could listen to was Rush Limbaugh during the day <g>. Living by himself with his wife, they both carried concealed weapons whenever they left the house. Neil was also an old-time ham radio operator. Neil had his own compact tractor and could dig anywhere he wanted to. I remember him mentioning thinking about planting homemade explosives around the house to scare off introducers. Neil was not only concerned about nefarious characters on the land, but also those arriving via the water. Neal thought "self" first and attempted to be ready for anything.
Pitchforks and torches? We’ll see how that plays out. People here seem to have a short term memory loss, even though the Dems have direct culpability in this disaster. How? Lack of prescribed burns eliminating decades accumulation of scrub brush, lack of coherent water management policies, no new construction of dams, reservoirs or desalination plants, and hostility towards the insurance industry, making doing business in California too costly for carriers to remain here and profitable.
Will California liberals finally get the message and demand reforms necessary to put our state on sound financial footing?…doubt it!
Maybe, just maybe after all the smoke clears and folks have a chance to comprehend the devastation and destruction will voters FINALLY realize we don’t have to live this way…it’s a choice! Anger like fire, can spread rapidly and those responsible for this inferno need to lawyer up. Why? There just may be a fire storm headed their way.
Sadly I think if anything changes it will be very slowly. What has changed since 2018 when 30,000 people lost their homes in Paradise CA? Some things. Prescribed burns are up nearly double. I don't know if that's enough. I'm not sure what dams have to do with fighting fires or desal. All the major So Cal reservoirs seem at or above historical capacity - but local capacity could probably be increased. https://cdec.water.ca.gov/resapp/RescondMain
I posted this on Facebook. Just to make a point>>>
Were the Los Angeles fires preventable? For the most part this answer is YES! Extreme winds and extreme drought were warned several days prior the fires. Fire officials had requested a blanket of Phos-Chek be dropped by aircraft as a barrier between forested lands, and inhabited areas. A fire prevention tool.
Hell NO was the response to Goofy Gavin. His Environmental Buddies screamed! Phos-Chek is known to be harmful to ground squirrels, gophers and California Poppies. None of this pink crap in our backyard. So Mr. Goofy headed their yelling. Now about half of Los Angeles is known to be harmed by the 100mph howling flames. Plus, they get the ‘pink crap’ anyway.
I do not proclaim to be a climate expert, the best knowledge I received, was free, given to me by Mom and Pop…it’s called, ‘common sense’ With this vast amount of knowledge, I hereby proclaim…………Goofy Gavins contribution of Greenhouse Gasses to the planet, will do vastly more harm to our environment than all of his riddance of gasoline powered cars and lawnmowers for years to come. I do invite some Greenie Climatologist to prove me wrong. Ron Rogers
Mr. Schulte makes a point at the end of his article --- This time use common-sense as the foundation.
What a great title for a pamphlet --- Oh wait that was already done in 1776 by Thomas Paine.
Common Sense was part of the bedrock foundation of the nation. It would seem most if not the entire Left has ignored what is intellectual honesty and a path forward.
A nicely done letter with the points that as long as the likes of the Gov. continue to ignore what the people need in safety and honesty in government there is not a hope in heck for the late great state of Calif.
God, I hope you’re right and things in California will begin to change, but I fear the California teachers association has found a way to eliminate common sense thinking. Just like those poor people having to rebuild their homes after this latest disaster, we are going to have to rebuild Our children’s / future voters ,thinking /education, from the ground up.
Look - the majority of people are stupid, and as long as we have a ‘majority rules’ type of government they’ll will keep voting in the losers and Commie-Dems with their idiot promises and hokey dreams.
Trying to convince the Democrat politicians to change their ways is a waste of time. Like the mouse said to the snake who gave him a ride across the pond then grabbed him . . . “Hey! I thought you said you wouldn’t eat me after the ride!” and the snake replied - “Sorry, . . I can’t help myself - that’s what snakes do!”
We need a Trumpy-type ass-kicker in Sacramento and I suggest my favorite - Steve Hilton.
The simple truth is America has not spent the capital required to upgrade its infra structure to keep it current with the growth the country has experienced. This underspend is on both sides of the aisle. To start taking cheap shots at the present incumbents in the height of the crisis shows a certain low in behaviour and I am not surprised at the low behaviour. Scoring victim/blame points is more imoportant than serving the people that elected them.
I have no faith that a Republican state leadership would have done anything different. Oh yes at the margin they would, no DEI may be etc but real measurable acheivments to combat fires, err spend some capital. As Trudeau said else where not a snow balls chance in hell. The party of tax cuts for the wealthy is unable to reconcile public good with the self interest of it's funding base.
For Republicans to be the saviour of the failing state they need to curb the power of capital. It is beyond them. Again the simple truth is US governence from both sides of the aisle is in the thrall of capital. Ergo nothing can and will change. It is the definition of a failing state.
Federal government needs to first claw back the $46 billion dollars in "covid relief funds"* Newsom let slip through his fingers to waste, fraud and abuse, before handing another US tax dollar over to California's long history fiscal mismanagement.
The nation is not sympathetic to California's self-induced plight. Additionally, California has offered no action plan for reform.
*Final amount not yet fully accounted lost to "covid relief funding" fraud, waste and abuse on Newsom's watch.
An remember $31 billion stolen from the EDD and never recovered and not a single person I'm aware was fired. That's about the cost this fire is going to be. It's such a staggering number and the memory is burned away like the fires.
Gavin & his Evil cronies has been setting conditions (purposely?) for fires for years now…as always, follow the money…
2020:
What happens when CA is in serious debt and lost priority aid from the FED gov due to sanctuary status (illegal)?
What happens when CA is in serious debt and all attempts to obtain a bailout from [Pelosi inserted and pushed] C19 aid package(s) have failed?
What happens when CA is in serious debt and decides to implement resident overreach by extending statewide shutdowns [incurring massive economic pitfall]?
Average number of FIRES in CA per year [last 20 years, June - Dec]?
Average number of FIRES 2018, 2019, 2020 [June - Dec]?
Outside of standard deviation?
Stated cause(s) of FIRES?
Heat?
Average temperature(s) of CA per year [last 20 years , June - Dec]?
Outside of standard deviation?
Power line(s) are source?
What changed?
What CA programs re: fire prevention [forest - brush] have been severely cut?
What other cuts have impacted fire prevention & safety?
LA City Firefighter union chief Freddy Escobar complains Mayor Bass would not respond to fires, because she refused pay for more fire fighter over-time. Says the LA union boss who himself made nearly $200,000 more, on top of his $200K salary and benefits .... in overtime.
DOGE -we have another patient for you in extremis. The entire city of Los Angeles.
What is this overtime stuff? I thought overtime didn't occur for salaried people (the "professional" types). With this much money handed to the city swindlers, they are taking advantage for getting as much as they can, while they can. Work 8 hours and then 8 hours overtime? Or do they get time and a half overtime. I shouldn't ask what the benefits are ... to depressing.
Hourly workers are one thing and receive overtime, but in all the years of performing engineering work I never received any overtime. This should make us wonder how the keep time. Is it the typical honor system that I had of 40 hours per week. Who's watching the workers with regards to overtime. Is overtime acceptable as work-at-home such as with covid? What an opportunity to screw the taxpayers. No doubt city/county workers were covering each other's back with regards to overtime. When yearly overtime exceeds base pay, there's a problem and likely criminal activity. Convenient how nobody will remember if so-and-so was doing something on a certain month, day and hour. These people should not be allowed to go on overtime. Was the Los Angeles mayor on overtime when she went out of the country while the city was burning?
Thank you for writing. The fires are disasters and tragic. Santa Barbara has had its fires and also in too many other places in California (and other states), too. Preparation and defense continues to be the basic goal, but as we all know disasters still happen (for whatever reasons). I know that the citizens of California instituted environmental restrictions over the last several decades. Along with these laws, the costs of the decisions have escalated because of unintentional fires and loss of property. Insurance Co. are done! This fact will be a huge blow to our economy and is about to take place (and needs to be resolved immediately). Furthermore, government employment has grown now competing with free enterprise for labor. It's become a no win situation when the citizen's need and want for public services has escalated to unaffordable employment pay (1/2 $mil./chief). What can the government do once on this road to unsustainable salary debt for needed services.? LA cut costs for the fire dept. (a basic service) because it was too expensive. We know why (because other government depts. have costs). Here's where we are today in City, County and State public services. Unsustainable debit. And no solution.
Where are all of the psychologists who have “diagnosed” Trump? Friends, we are looking at a sociopath gleefully gloating over the profits from this disaster.
Yes Henry, political homeless-illegals social engineering and state water diversion (for fish worshipping) isn’t a substitute for fire prevention engineering, consisting of brush control management, adequate and filled reservoirs, adequate and working fire hydrants, adequate and working fire trucks, functional fire emergency protocols. The men and woman combatting fires are the people risking their lives to save the life and property of residents. It is the fire people deserving to be worshipped, not the politicians that dance to the tune of restoration money coming their way. Hopefully Trump will see to it that doesn’t happen!
In Los Angeles, the most fire-related calls they receive are homeless encampment fires. In Santa Barbara, keep an eye out for fires while driving; such as encampment locations off the freeways are a known problem area. Residents should pester the city governments to clean them up as a preventative fire control measure. The danger of high winds is not new to Santa Barbara
Bill SB Fire Chief Fire Mark Hartwig and EO Kelly Hubbard stated to SB We are On Our Own.
and I quote from weblink below > https://tinyurl.com/2s4pwujd
"In a briefing short on details about water pressure and water supply, but long on warnings about advance preparation and personal responsibility, the county supervisors got a sobering earful from Fire Chief Mark Hartwig and county emergency planning czar Kelly Hubbard in response to the wind-driven infernos now engulfing much of Los Angeles."“Keep your head on the swivel,” he warned residents. People need to self-evacuate; he stressed. It’s not realistic or even possible, he added, for first responders to knock on every door." CAN YOU SAY CYA!!!!!
How about a Simple Cell Phone Warning?!?!
About the time my wife and I were booted out of our Santa Barbara home in violation of our amendment rights (4th and 5th), I was in the process of adding my own fire protection system. One year during a fire storm, our mailbox was posted with a tag labeling "no fire protection." We lived at the end of a 300-foot private driveway surrounded by burnable trees. Nice to find out we had no protection during a close call with a mountain fire. Later, I made a project out of tapping into our 2" PVC water line midway down the driveway for the purpose to maintain water in a polypropylene water storage tank using a Honda gas-powered water pump and a fire hose. I planned to have all the firemen apparel and air breathing equipment. The house used a heat pump so the air circulation could be shut down from outside. We were always the last ones to leave our house which was required at one time. It was in the genes, there were several policeman and firemen I had as relatives: really stubborn.
I think everyone should plan not only for fire but for anything. I.E. earthquakes, power outages, no gas and even some catastrophic event. We cannot rely on anyone except ourselves. We don't have to go over the top with it, but dried food, some guns, and know how to use them, precious metals and as you said, just smart planning. We will all be on our own. We see it every time in a country that's becoming more third world Venezuela.
A technically smart and financially successful, liberal engineer graduate friend of mine from the 1960's, Neil Robin (now deceased), lived remotely in a wooded area nearby the shores of Port Angeles, WA. On the radio, all Neil could listen to was Rush Limbaugh during the day <g>. Living by himself with his wife, they both carried concealed weapons whenever they left the house. Neil was also an old-time ham radio operator. Neil had his own compact tractor and could dig anywhere he wanted to. I remember him mentioning thinking about planting homemade explosives around the house to scare off introducers. Neil was not only concerned about nefarious characters on the land, but also those arriving via the water. Neal thought "self" first and attempted to be ready for anything.
Bill Add this to your list allegedly no LA FIRE RESPONSE to Palisades for 45 Mins.
supposedly they have Video>
https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1879411152624758861
Bill there is already two lawsuits filed one against SCE like other CA fires, Title>
"Southern California Edison accused in lawsuits of failing to prevent Eaton Fire"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/southern-california-edison-accused-lawsuits-prevent-eaton-fire-rcna187479
Nothing Ever Changes In CALI ..... MOVE OUT WHILE YOU CAN!
Pitchforks and torches? We’ll see how that plays out. People here seem to have a short term memory loss, even though the Dems have direct culpability in this disaster. How? Lack of prescribed burns eliminating decades accumulation of scrub brush, lack of coherent water management policies, no new construction of dams, reservoirs or desalination plants, and hostility towards the insurance industry, making doing business in California too costly for carriers to remain here and profitable.
Will California liberals finally get the message and demand reforms necessary to put our state on sound financial footing?…doubt it!
Maybe, just maybe after all the smoke clears and folks have a chance to comprehend the devastation and destruction will voters FINALLY realize we don’t have to live this way…it’s a choice! Anger like fire, can spread rapidly and those responsible for this inferno need to lawyer up. Why? There just may be a fire storm headed their way.
Sadly I think if anything changes it will be very slowly. What has changed since 2018 when 30,000 people lost their homes in Paradise CA? Some things. Prescribed burns are up nearly double. I don't know if that's enough. I'm not sure what dams have to do with fighting fires or desal. All the major So Cal reservoirs seem at or above historical capacity - but local capacity could probably be increased. https://cdec.water.ca.gov/resapp/RescondMain
I posted this on Facebook. Just to make a point>>>
Were the Los Angeles fires preventable? For the most part this answer is YES! Extreme winds and extreme drought were warned several days prior the fires. Fire officials had requested a blanket of Phos-Chek be dropped by aircraft as a barrier between forested lands, and inhabited areas. A fire prevention tool.
Hell NO was the response to Goofy Gavin. His Environmental Buddies screamed! Phos-Chek is known to be harmful to ground squirrels, gophers and California Poppies. None of this pink crap in our backyard. So Mr. Goofy headed their yelling. Now about half of Los Angeles is known to be harmed by the 100mph howling flames. Plus, they get the ‘pink crap’ anyway.
I do not proclaim to be a climate expert, the best knowledge I received, was free, given to me by Mom and Pop…it’s called, ‘common sense’ With this vast amount of knowledge, I hereby proclaim…………Goofy Gavins contribution of Greenhouse Gasses to the planet, will do vastly more harm to our environment than all of his riddance of gasoline powered cars and lawnmowers for years to come. I do invite some Greenie Climatologist to prove me wrong. Ron Rogers
facebook link?
Ron Rogers....or maybe......https://www.facebook.com/ron.rogers.92754
Mr. Schulte makes a point at the end of his article --- This time use common-sense as the foundation.
What a great title for a pamphlet --- Oh wait that was already done in 1776 by Thomas Paine.
Common Sense was part of the bedrock foundation of the nation. It would seem most if not the entire Left has ignored what is intellectual honesty and a path forward.
A nicely done letter with the points that as long as the likes of the Gov. continue to ignore what the people need in safety and honesty in government there is not a hope in heck for the late great state of Calif.
Ban all vagrant outdoor camping. The health and safety risk to all residents and taxpayers is too extreme.
God, I hope you’re right and things in California will begin to change, but I fear the California teachers association has found a way to eliminate common sense thinking. Just like those poor people having to rebuild their homes after this latest disaster, we are going to have to rebuild Our children’s / future voters ,thinking /education, from the ground up.
Look - the majority of people are stupid, and as long as we have a ‘majority rules’ type of government they’ll will keep voting in the losers and Commie-Dems with their idiot promises and hokey dreams.
Trying to convince the Democrat politicians to change their ways is a waste of time. Like the mouse said to the snake who gave him a ride across the pond then grabbed him . . . “Hey! I thought you said you wouldn’t eat me after the ride!” and the snake replied - “Sorry, . . I can’t help myself - that’s what snakes do!”
We need a Trumpy-type ass-kicker in Sacramento and I suggest my favorite - Steve Hilton.
The simple truth is America has not spent the capital required to upgrade its infra structure to keep it current with the growth the country has experienced. This underspend is on both sides of the aisle. To start taking cheap shots at the present incumbents in the height of the crisis shows a certain low in behaviour and I am not surprised at the low behaviour. Scoring victim/blame points is more imoportant than serving the people that elected them.
I have no faith that a Republican state leadership would have done anything different. Oh yes at the margin they would, no DEI may be etc but real measurable acheivments to combat fires, err spend some capital. As Trudeau said else where not a snow balls chance in hell. The party of tax cuts for the wealthy is unable to reconcile public good with the self interest of it's funding base.
For Republicans to be the saviour of the failing state they need to curb the power of capital. It is beyond them. Again the simple truth is US governence from both sides of the aisle is in the thrall of capital. Ergo nothing can and will change. It is the definition of a failing state.
Please bookmark. Reporting vagrant camps sighted in the City of Santa Barbara: https://sustainability.santabarbaraca.gov/programs/clean-sb
Federal government needs to first claw back the $46 billion dollars in "covid relief funds"* Newsom let slip through his fingers to waste, fraud and abuse, before handing another US tax dollar over to California's long history fiscal mismanagement.
The nation is not sympathetic to California's self-induced plight. Additionally, California has offered no action plan for reform.
*Final amount not yet fully accounted lost to "covid relief funding" fraud, waste and abuse on Newsom's watch.
An remember $31 billion stolen from the EDD and never recovered and not a single person I'm aware was fired. That's about the cost this fire is going to be. It's such a staggering number and the memory is burned away like the fires.
Gavin & his Evil cronies has been setting conditions (purposely?) for fires for years now…as always, follow the money…
2020:
What happens when CA is in serious debt and lost priority aid from the FED gov due to sanctuary status (illegal)?
What happens when CA is in serious debt and all attempts to obtain a bailout from [Pelosi inserted and pushed] C19 aid package(s) have failed?
What happens when CA is in serious debt and decides to implement resident overreach by extending statewide shutdowns [incurring massive economic pitfall]?
Average number of FIRES in CA per year [last 20 years, June - Dec]?
Average number of FIRES 2018, 2019, 2020 [June - Dec]?
Outside of standard deviation?
Stated cause(s) of FIRES?
Heat?
Average temperature(s) of CA per year [last 20 years , June - Dec]?
Outside of standard deviation?
Power line(s) are source?
What changed?
What CA programs re: fire prevention [forest - brush] have been severely cut?
What other cuts have impacted fire prevention & safety?
http://www.cpf.org/go/cpf/news-and-events/news/budget-cuts-sacrifice-firefighter-and-public-safety/
How do you obtain FED money?
Declare a State of Emergency and request billions in assistance?
Welcome to CA.
Trump knows… https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-california-wildfire-funds-20171119-story.html
PS…queue the UFO/UAP/disclosure/discussion/reveals… https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J7-WQ5TBzjY
LA City Firefighter union chief Freddy Escobar complains Mayor Bass would not respond to fires, because she refused pay for more fire fighter over-time. Says the LA union boss who himself made nearly $200,000 more, on top of his $200K salary and benefits .... in overtime.
DOGE -we have another patient for you in extremis. The entire city of Los Angeles.
Freddy Escobar
Fire Captain Ii (2022)
Regular pay: $184,034.07
Overtime pay: $198,155.45
Other pay: $22,732.26
Total pay: $404,921.78
Benefits: $105,871.04
Total pay & benefits: $510,792.82
What is this overtime stuff? I thought overtime didn't occur for salaried people (the "professional" types). With this much money handed to the city swindlers, they are taking advantage for getting as much as they can, while they can. Work 8 hours and then 8 hours overtime? Or do they get time and a half overtime. I shouldn't ask what the benefits are ... to depressing.
Hourly workers are one thing and receive overtime, but in all the years of performing engineering work I never received any overtime. This should make us wonder how the keep time. Is it the typical honor system that I had of 40 hours per week. Who's watching the workers with regards to overtime. Is overtime acceptable as work-at-home such as with covid? What an opportunity to screw the taxpayers. No doubt city/county workers were covering each other's back with regards to overtime. When yearly overtime exceeds base pay, there's a problem and likely criminal activity. Convenient how nobody will remember if so-and-so was doing something on a certain month, day and hour. These people should not be allowed to go on overtime. Was the Los Angeles mayor on overtime when she went out of the country while the city was burning?
JL - I looked at a transparent CA link you sent out a few days ago. It's nuts that many of these people make more on overtime than their normal pay.
Thank you for writing. The fires are disasters and tragic. Santa Barbara has had its fires and also in too many other places in California (and other states), too. Preparation and defense continues to be the basic goal, but as we all know disasters still happen (for whatever reasons). I know that the citizens of California instituted environmental restrictions over the last several decades. Along with these laws, the costs of the decisions have escalated because of unintentional fires and loss of property. Insurance Co. are done! This fact will be a huge blow to our economy and is about to take place (and needs to be resolved immediately). Furthermore, government employment has grown now competing with free enterprise for labor. It's become a no win situation when the citizen's need and want for public services has escalated to unaffordable employment pay (1/2 $mil./chief). What can the government do once on this road to unsustainable salary debt for needed services.? LA cut costs for the fire dept. (a basic service) because it was too expensive. We know why (because other government depts. have costs). Here's where we are today in City, County and State public services. Unsustainable debit. And no solution.
I read this article titled "Pitchforks and Torches" by Henry Schulte
I am at a loss for another title and just leave you all with United
Fire Workers Union and Veteran of LA fire department Captain's statement.
"It's Dire and Someone Will Die" on reduction of LA fire Dept fire fighters.
https://tinyurl.com/2p826ttw
Howard Walther Member of a Military Family
PS1- Chief Marrone "Unpresented Event for LA Fire Dept. .... Very Concerned"
Not enuf Fire Engines .... Still did not have enuf."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhJ2DHC7vMo&ab_channel=CBSMornings
Thanks for reading my stuff...Ron
https://x.com/CSBastiat/status/1878824199181222254?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1878824199181222254%7Ctwgr%5Ef87a020fe12e931f09e11a4ac6cdbaf664dfc1b9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernjournal.com%2Fcocaine-induced-viewers-baffled-newsom-begins-dancing-swaying-smiling-extremely-weird-wildfire-interview%2F
Where are all of the psychologists who have “diagnosed” Trump? Friends, we are looking at a sociopath gleefully gloating over the profits from this disaster.