DEI is spreading across the western world and enabling dictatorial actions by those in power to write and enforce laws through their civil service enablers. Covid provided a test of how far in a democracy today, those elected, could stretch and impose their power.
In most cases, the transgender movement is an attack on women's hard-won rights, a denial of their privacy and denial of their female biological function, the ability to bear children. All to pander to men who want to dress-up as women, but who, mostly, remain biological males under the their clothing. In every sense, they are ersatz.
The mystery is this, why aren't the majority of women and their husband's and boyfriends demonstrating against the government's imposition of transgender advocates trampling on the rights of their daughters, their wives, their mothers and their grandchildren?
George Orwell's depictions of governments in the future are beginning to look prescient.
The tentacles of Cultural Marxism are working to apply the death grip in Germany...and much of Western Democracy. The tentacles have already permeated much of OUR public, corporate and government institutions. If you've seen television commercials lately you've witnessed the fruits of their labor. Cultural Marxism is an effective tool in the Marxist's playbook. They are at war for the very heart and soul of our nation...and Western civilization. Vote like it is! ILet's not let their "Fundamental Transformation" of our "Shining Beacon on the Hill" be realized.
How ironic that Germany, once guilty of crimes against humanity for putting human beings in ovens, is now guilty of crimes against nature. Somewhere, Joseph Stalin must be laughing his ass off.
What a joke! Ok, so let’s through science and biology out the window for people who want to play dress up. This is a total mockery of the people who are truly genuine. And they’ve turned this fragile, minuscule segment of the population into a social disease.
Democrats divide people based upon gender, race, sexual preference, socioeconomic, voting preference, belief in God, etc…
United we stand, divided we fall. The enemies of this country have been dividing us for decades.
We are supposed to be the melting pot, joining of cultures.
Thanks for the important discussion Celeste. To Germany I would say that anytime you give someone another right, you take one from someone else. Besides taking one from all the females, you are taking one from everybody else by fining those who do not continulally update the preferred genders of their customers/patients/students. The recent Supreme Court addition, Justice Jackson, saying she could not define a woman is simply not true, since as a judge, her ruling on sex discrimination cases required her to define the genders of the parties. But then, truth is not the strong suit of her political party.
This attacks free speech, A $10,000 fine for calling a person by their old name.
And the “ sole requirement will be choosing a sex-appropriate first name.” Wow! And that’s sexist discrimination. Who gets to choose what is an appropriate designated name for the chosen gender. More disinformation and manipulation.
I clicked on "like" but that is not correct. I am sick of this game.
When are the majority going to get it that there is less than 1% in this stupid game. The other side is using it as a lever to get people to vote on their side regardless of the truth, or how the population is moving away from them.
Tax money for this? No.
They want a choice then let it happen in private not the pubic drum beat.
It is telling that so much time is spent on a topic that directly affects a minuscule number of humans. Estimates are less than 100th of 1%. Yet homeless vets and the over 200,000 full time WORKING homeless doesn’t stir the same outrage.
Tell that to a woman locked in a jail cell with an intact male. Or young female athletes forced to share locker rooms, showers, places on a team, and scholarships with males. Or the fact that many women have given up going to fitness gyms -- Like the YMCA -- for what they must put up with. It's male bullying of the female.
Gene, any outrage should be directed to the VA who has many programs for "homeless vets". tps://www.va.gov/homeless/for_homeless_veterans.asp
Why does there remain a disconnect for these tax-payer supported programs already dedicated to this population? Trump made it a critical mission after 2016 to fix the VA, but ran into the typical DC bureaucratic roadblocks that kept Trump's hands tied.
Onwards. But please to not leave the impression tax payers are not already funding multiple "homeless vet" programs. We are not that callous about those who sacrificed and served our nation.
Gene, I do care very much about homeless vets and working homeless. Let's put all the time and effort our government is putting into "protecting" the feelings of transgenders and put it towards homeless vets. Just stop passing all laws and regulations about transgenders. Leave them alone. No special protections, any more than there are special protections for people of English-speaking descent or Canadians. A big waste of time and effort, I completely agree. In fact, when it comes up in conversation, I always change the subject on transgenderism because I don't think we should be putting our focus on this as Americans. It's just distracting us from the real issues we face. Is China worrying about pronouns? NO! They have much bigger fish to fry, as do we! And as for caring for vets and homeless, let's stop putting up undocumented immigrants in hotels on Uncle Sam's dime. Let's stop the immigrants at the border before they come in, and put those veterans in hotels! It's shameful that we prioritize the caregiving of foreign nationals above those who fought for our freedoms. I stopped to comment on Celeste's post and on your post because this is about protecting women (very important) and freedom of speech (very important) and those issues affect 50% and 100% of our population, respectively. Freedom of speech affects every person living in the United States. It's the principles of liberty which are worth talking about. But I agree the transgender issue is too much discussed, so I'll just agree with you on that and probably stop posting for the day. There's no hate here, sorry. I love everybody.
Gene, are you insinuating that it is hateful to disagree with the transgender movement that is ruining so many lives, especially of our young gullible kids? Do you honestly think that
it is a legitimate movement and that it should be taught in school and to hell with reality? You don't find it strange that the government and the main stream media are pushing this agenda forward with great enthusiasm? And why would you think that people trying to fight this insanity are also not sympathetic to the homeless and the veterans?
For all the time spent and corresponding money spent on this kind of nonsense, a better use of time and money is to find a cure for cancer or building a spaceship to Mars to colonize the planet for all the Democrats to live and waste their time on. Education needs to be repaired to prevent schools from outputting stupid Americans. Until then (when Dems have all been deported to Mars and schools repaired) we're going to be screwed by all this nonsense.
You are absolutely correct., J. The government can, and many times has, twisted the words they use to manipulate the intent of what they really want to do. Thomas John may find the German governments' policies on this issue wonderful but I think the majority of sane minds can see how sick and twisted this whole movement has become.
I'm sure the Germans have tighten up that hole so your truck won't fit so well. Anyway, I really don't care that much what they are doing in Germany. I just bet the way the author made it seem like a casual slip was going to get you 10K euro fine was BS.
Oh they will take it to the next level if it suits them .. and it’s possible to use that against someone if in fact that person is not necessarily on board’ w the whole insane concept..
YES you can get a 10,000 fine for accidentally calling someone by the wrong name. Those provisions or protections you quoted are totally subjective. Are you naive enough to believe that those protections are substantial and not subject to activist law enforcement? I hope to meet you at Codys for the election party. I will buy you a drink.
But I'm missing Celeste's argument about how this is anti-woman. I get the part that she doesn't want born men in women's bathrooms and competing against women in sports. But I really don't care too much what's happening in Germany......
Who is to say what is intentional? Can the Germans read minds? Intention is a standard that is subject to abuse and is so vague as to be no standard at all. You just gave two examples of how it is anti-woman. I will be dressed as a mariachi at the election night party at Cody's. See you there.
You don't care what's going on in Germany? What about the Czechs, Poles, and 6 million Jews in the 1930's when the world shrugged. Simply being born female remains a challenge, even here in the US. Now we must contend with males demanding that we accept them as female. Even today, females are still prey to the male predator. (And he doesn't care a woman's sexual preference. Gay and straight women are harmed.) Wanna dress up in heels and padded brassiere? Be my guest. But stay on your own side of the playground.
I don't find your analogy similar on scope or impact. And don't forget the Roma. But I feel this is a much bigger issue for you than it is to me. If I had daughters I'd be much more concerned about the 99% of non-trans males out there. You know, guys, elected officials, that think it's ok to grab them by the p******. That's what I'd fear more. Other than than the one percent of Germans worrying about what name they're called I hope you're visiting the embassy's of folks in the middle east before they blow that place up.
Thomas, if you get the part about women's bathrooms and sports, you're on board with the two issues most unfair to women. Thank you for the acknowledgment. That's huge. In that case, you don't agree with the laws Sacramento Democrats have passed down, because those laws do not protect women's bathrooms or sports competition. Quite the opposite. The laws protect the transgenders' "feelings".
Gene and Tom: "Trans Women are Men...Including Me" Debbie Hayton. Best treatment of subject ever. Go to the part where she talks about when her kids answer the phone. You notice I call her "she." Because to me she is a she. And that's her point. She wants to create the perception of being a woman. If I perceive her as a woman, than she has succeeded in that...with me. But if someone else still perceives her as a man, that is their truth and they are entitled to their truth. She doesn't want to be called a man by someone who is uncomfortable saying it.
Thomas, I intentionally say his old name, because that is his name...to me. I intentionally call him with male pronouns, because he is a man...to me. This is where I end and he begins. He has his truth and I have mine.
1) Malicious. I say his old name, I'm guilty, I have spoken against his will and without his consent. At what point does it become malicious? I can't think of any malice that could be involved that could not be alternately labelled simply "insensitive to his feelings," or "mean". In his opinion, "mean". In my opinion simply ease of speech according to my memory and past mental programming. Like I call my two daughters (neither has changed their gender or name) the wrong name. Happens every day. I should have a right to speak my truth or make a mistake without fear of retribution. Define malicious. Saying it the 100th time? I'm sure I've called my daughters the wrong name more than that.
2. Intentional/harmful. I say his old name, I'm guilty, I have spoken without consent.
What specific circumstances?
J. Livingston has it right.
In any event, it takes away my freedom of speech. I don't know if Germany has a constitutionally protected freedom of speech. But in America there is, and I will not lie because the State says I must lie. Saying the new name and gender is compelled speech, there is no two ways around it. The First Amendment is very clear.
Alice, I agree with you. I will never call a man dressed up as a woman a female. I don't care what they say, I don't care what they do. A guy is a guy and a girl is a girl. Period. I mean no disrespect, but what about my rights? There's so much to unpack here. This topic upsets me too much to open that luggage. I spent my entire working life trying to convince my bosses that I deserved to earn just as much, typically more, than my male colleagues. There is still a heavy unbalance in male salary vs female salary even in the most bluest of states. When this has been leveled out, then they can talk to me about trans rights.
This is insane! I absolutely refuse to be labeled as anything other than female. Our founding mother's that fought for woman's rights, did not have this in mind. Actually the very opposite. They did not fight for women's rights, to have men playing dress up and once again to take out rights away and impersonate woman. It's a movement spreading hate against women.
Why do you like that song? From wikipedia. "Holly" is based on Holly Woodlawn, a transgender actress who lived in Miami Beach, Florida as a child. In 1962, after being bullied by homophobes, the fifteen-year-old ran away from home.
DEI is spreading across the western world and enabling dictatorial actions by those in power to write and enforce laws through their civil service enablers. Covid provided a test of how far in a democracy today, those elected, could stretch and impose their power.
In most cases, the transgender movement is an attack on women's hard-won rights, a denial of their privacy and denial of their female biological function, the ability to bear children. All to pander to men who want to dress-up as women, but who, mostly, remain biological males under the their clothing. In every sense, they are ersatz.
The mystery is this, why aren't the majority of women and their husband's and boyfriends demonstrating against the government's imposition of transgender advocates trampling on the rights of their daughters, their wives, their mothers and their grandchildren?
George Orwell's depictions of governments in the future are beginning to look prescient.
Thank you for your passion and fight.
The tentacles of Cultural Marxism are working to apply the death grip in Germany...and much of Western Democracy. The tentacles have already permeated much of OUR public, corporate and government institutions. If you've seen television commercials lately you've witnessed the fruits of their labor. Cultural Marxism is an effective tool in the Marxist's playbook. They are at war for the very heart and soul of our nation...and Western civilization. Vote like it is! ILet's not let their "Fundamental Transformation" of our "Shining Beacon on the Hill" be realized.
How ironic that Germany, once guilty of crimes against humanity for putting human beings in ovens, is now guilty of crimes against nature. Somewhere, Joseph Stalin must be laughing his ass off.
What a joke! Ok, so let’s through science and biology out the window for people who want to play dress up. This is a total mockery of the people who are truly genuine. And they’ve turned this fragile, minuscule segment of the population into a social disease.
Democrats divide people based upon gender, race, sexual preference, socioeconomic, voting preference, belief in God, etc…
United we stand, divided we fall. The enemies of this country have been dividing us for decades.
We are supposed to be the melting pot, joining of cultures.
Thanks for the important discussion Celeste. To Germany I would say that anytime you give someone another right, you take one from someone else. Besides taking one from all the females, you are taking one from everybody else by fining those who do not continulally update the preferred genders of their customers/patients/students. The recent Supreme Court addition, Justice Jackson, saying she could not define a woman is simply not true, since as a judge, her ruling on sex discrimination cases required her to define the genders of the parties. But then, truth is not the strong suit of her political party.
This attacks free speech, A $10,000 fine for calling a person by their old name.
And the “ sole requirement will be choosing a sex-appropriate first name.” Wow! And that’s sexist discrimination. Who gets to choose what is an appropriate designated name for the chosen gender. More disinformation and manipulation.
I clicked on "like" but that is not correct. I am sick of this game.
When are the majority going to get it that there is less than 1% in this stupid game. The other side is using it as a lever to get people to vote on their side regardless of the truth, or how the population is moving away from them.
Tax money for this? No.
They want a choice then let it happen in private not the pubic drum beat.
Democrats voted against women’s rights and every civil rights acts.
“Globally, war is being waged against the female human being“
When will Dem Women get a clue Dems don’t care about you?
It is telling that so much time is spent on a topic that directly affects a minuscule number of humans. Estimates are less than 100th of 1%. Yet homeless vets and the over 200,000 full time WORKING homeless doesn’t stir the same outrage.
Tell that to a woman locked in a jail cell with an intact male. Or young female athletes forced to share locker rooms, showers, places on a team, and scholarships with males. Or the fact that many women have given up going to fitness gyms -- Like the YMCA -- for what they must put up with. It's male bullying of the female.
Gene, any outrage should be directed to the VA who has many programs for "homeless vets". tps://www.va.gov/homeless/for_homeless_veterans.asp
Why does there remain a disconnect for these tax-payer supported programs already dedicated to this population? Trump made it a critical mission after 2016 to fix the VA, but ran into the typical DC bureaucratic roadblocks that kept Trump's hands tied.
Onwards. But please to not leave the impression tax payers are not already funding multiple "homeless vet" programs. We are not that callous about those who sacrificed and served our nation.
Gene, I do care very much about homeless vets and working homeless. Let's put all the time and effort our government is putting into "protecting" the feelings of transgenders and put it towards homeless vets. Just stop passing all laws and regulations about transgenders. Leave them alone. No special protections, any more than there are special protections for people of English-speaking descent or Canadians. A big waste of time and effort, I completely agree. In fact, when it comes up in conversation, I always change the subject on transgenderism because I don't think we should be putting our focus on this as Americans. It's just distracting us from the real issues we face. Is China worrying about pronouns? NO! They have much bigger fish to fry, as do we! And as for caring for vets and homeless, let's stop putting up undocumented immigrants in hotels on Uncle Sam's dime. Let's stop the immigrants at the border before they come in, and put those veterans in hotels! It's shameful that we prioritize the caregiving of foreign nationals above those who fought for our freedoms. I stopped to comment on Celeste's post and on your post because this is about protecting women (very important) and freedom of speech (very important) and those issues affect 50% and 100% of our population, respectively. Freedom of speech affects every person living in the United States. It's the principles of liberty which are worth talking about. But I agree the transgender issue is too much discussed, so I'll just agree with you on that and probably stop posting for the day. There's no hate here, sorry. I love everybody.
People can fix problems without hate, without belittling. But hate is the way for too many.
Gene, are you insinuating that it is hateful to disagree with the transgender movement that is ruining so many lives, especially of our young gullible kids? Do you honestly think that
it is a legitimate movement and that it should be taught in school and to hell with reality? You don't find it strange that the government and the main stream media are pushing this agenda forward with great enthusiasm? And why would you think that people trying to fight this insanity are also not sympathetic to the homeless and the veterans?
Gene I suggest you take up that mantle since you’re so passionate
I have been bringing this up for a while. You want to join me or is it more satisfying hating a minuscule part of humanity.
Unglaublich.
What does "unglaublich" mean, JL?
Hint, it's german.
For all the time spent and corresponding money spent on this kind of nonsense, a better use of time and money is to find a cure for cancer or building a spaceship to Mars to colonize the planet for all the Democrats to live and waste their time on. Education needs to be repaired to prevent schools from outputting stupid Americans. Until then (when Dems have all been deported to Mars and schools repaired) we're going to be screwed by all this nonsense.
Lol
Celeste Barber for the first female president!! Well said. Brava!
Wrong. You don't get a 10,000 EU fine for accidentally calling someone by by the wrong gender.
It has to be
1) Malicious disclosure of confidential information: Revealing someone's previously assigned gender against their will, without their consent.
or 2) Intentional and harmful disclosure: Disclosing someone's prior name or legal gender without consent, but only in specific circumstances
Drive a truck through that alleged delimiting language.
Malicious....confidential.....against their will.......without their consent.....intentional........harmful.....which specific circumstances?
Perhaps we can get a certain baker in Colorado to offer his insights on statutory linguistic protections.
You are absolutely correct., J. The government can, and many times has, twisted the words they use to manipulate the intent of what they really want to do. Thomas John may find the German governments' policies on this issue wonderful but I think the majority of sane minds can see how sick and twisted this whole movement has become.
I'm sure the Germans have tighten up that hole so your truck won't fit so well. Anyway, I really don't care that much what they are doing in Germany. I just bet the way the author made it seem like a casual slip was going to get you 10K euro fine was BS.
I wrote "up to a 10,000 Euro fine." But simply the threat is enough to silence a woman's voice. FINE US. Try it, Baby.
Oh they will take it to the next level if it suits them .. and it’s possible to use that against someone if in fact that person is not necessarily on board’ w the whole insane concept..
what could possibly go wrong?
YES you can get a 10,000 fine for accidentally calling someone by the wrong name. Those provisions or protections you quoted are totally subjective. Are you naive enough to believe that those protections are substantial and not subject to activist law enforcement? I hope to meet you at Codys for the election party. I will buy you a drink.
No you can't. "Only intentional behavior is taken into account; acts of negligence are not sanctioned" https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/01/misgendering-and-deadnaming-will-this-soon-become-illegal-in-germany
But I'm missing Celeste's argument about how this is anti-woman. I get the part that she doesn't want born men in women's bathrooms and competing against women in sports. But I really don't care too much what's happening in Germany......
Who is to say what is intentional? Can the Germans read minds? Intention is a standard that is subject to abuse and is so vague as to be no standard at all. You just gave two examples of how it is anti-woman. I will be dressed as a mariachi at the election night party at Cody's. See you there.
You don't care what's going on in Germany? What about the Czechs, Poles, and 6 million Jews in the 1930's when the world shrugged. Simply being born female remains a challenge, even here in the US. Now we must contend with males demanding that we accept them as female. Even today, females are still prey to the male predator. (And he doesn't care a woman's sexual preference. Gay and straight women are harmed.) Wanna dress up in heels and padded brassiere? Be my guest. But stay on your own side of the playground.
I don't find your analogy similar on scope or impact. And don't forget the Roma. But I feel this is a much bigger issue for you than it is to me. If I had daughters I'd be much more concerned about the 99% of non-trans males out there. You know, guys, elected officials, that think it's ok to grab them by the p******. That's what I'd fear more. Other than than the one percent of Germans worrying about what name they're called I hope you're visiting the embassy's of folks in the middle east before they blow that place up.
Thomas, if you get the part about women's bathrooms and sports, you're on board with the two issues most unfair to women. Thank you for the acknowledgment. That's huge. In that case, you don't agree with the laws Sacramento Democrats have passed down, because those laws do not protect women's bathrooms or sports competition. Quite the opposite. The laws protect the transgenders' "feelings".
Gene and Tom: "Trans Women are Men...Including Me" Debbie Hayton. Best treatment of subject ever. Go to the part where she talks about when her kids answer the phone. You notice I call her "she." Because to me she is a she. And that's her point. She wants to create the perception of being a woman. If I perceive her as a woman, than she has succeeded in that...with me. But if someone else still perceives her as a man, that is their truth and they are entitled to their truth. She doesn't want to be called a man by someone who is uncomfortable saying it.
Thomas, I intentionally say his old name, because that is his name...to me. I intentionally call him with male pronouns, because he is a man...to me. This is where I end and he begins. He has his truth and I have mine.
1) Malicious. I say his old name, I'm guilty, I have spoken against his will and without his consent. At what point does it become malicious? I can't think of any malice that could be involved that could not be alternately labelled simply "insensitive to his feelings," or "mean". In his opinion, "mean". In my opinion simply ease of speech according to my memory and past mental programming. Like I call my two daughters (neither has changed their gender or name) the wrong name. Happens every day. I should have a right to speak my truth or make a mistake without fear of retribution. Define malicious. Saying it the 100th time? I'm sure I've called my daughters the wrong name more than that.
2. Intentional/harmful. I say his old name, I'm guilty, I have spoken without consent.
What specific circumstances?
J. Livingston has it right.
In any event, it takes away my freedom of speech. I don't know if Germany has a constitutionally protected freedom of speech. But in America there is, and I will not lie because the State says I must lie. Saying the new name and gender is compelled speech, there is no two ways around it. The First Amendment is very clear.
Alice, I agree with you. I will never call a man dressed up as a woman a female. I don't care what they say, I don't care what they do. A guy is a guy and a girl is a girl. Period. I mean no disrespect, but what about my rights? There's so much to unpack here. This topic upsets me too much to open that luggage. I spent my entire working life trying to convince my bosses that I deserved to earn just as much, typically more, than my male colleagues. There is still a heavy unbalance in male salary vs female salary even in the most bluest of states. When this has been leveled out, then they can talk to me about trans rights.
This is insane! I absolutely refuse to be labeled as anything other than female. Our founding mother's that fought for woman's rights, did not have this in mind. Actually the very opposite. They did not fight for women's rights, to have men playing dress up and once again to take out rights away and impersonate woman. It's a movement spreading hate against women.
Holly came from Miami, FLA
Hitched- hiked across the USA
Plucked her eyebrows across the way
Shaved her legs and then he was a she
They said “Hey, babe take a walk on the wild side”
~Lou Reed
I love that song!
Why do you like that song? From wikipedia. "Holly" is based on Holly Woodlawn, a transgender actress who lived in Miami Beach, Florida as a child. In 1962, after being bullied by homophobes, the fifteen-year-old ran away from home.
Thank you Celeste! Safe travels.